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Upcoming Cull Obsidian and Ebony Maw Balance Changes
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And even if we decide to wait 3 months, how will they know if the champions needs rebalancing if nobody will rankup and use them?
It is about proper testing before release. That is all.
Also, as far as I remember Domino was never nerfed. But that is a different subject
this is not about proper testing, again there is no amount of testing that can ensure this will not happen. You can look at any mmo that places emphasis on balance, you will always see these types of changes.
Domino was bugged at release, she was supposed to do multiple times bleed on an sp2. In stead of fixing that they nerfed her abilities to meet what she could do.
You never know when a "Frame Rate Enhancement" or a "Description update" is going to modify how your favorite champ is going to work.
At least with Re-Balancing we will know when a nerf is coming though.
If you bought ground beef at the grocery store, made burgers, added the fresh tomato and onion, and then right before you were to bite into it; the clerk from the grocery store brought you a single from McDs and took your burger, What would you do?
In what business model is this acceptable? It is not acceptable.
You guys should expect legal issues if things keep going in this direction.
*I assume Kabam has some sort of guide to eliminate guesswork in champ tuning. If they don't, that's even more ridiculous. They should be able to tell with reasonable accuracy what the output of a champ should be based on their knowledge of the system. Outside of glitches of course. They should be able to immediately calculate the assumed difference between a 1400 armor break and a 1500 and what could happen. Then the testing comes in to see if that's the case or not. They should have minimal surprises.
This Cull example is perfect to show that proper testing CAN PREVENT THIS. How come kabam didn’t know the damage capability of a champion the moment they release the champ? Basic testing includes using different mastery setups e.g suicides , using him at max charges, and boosts. Then have a skilled player use him to clear end game content. Is he clearing end game content really fast and easy? Then nerf his attack BEFORE the release. This is not an obscure bug that was discovered on Cull or some kind of synergy they weren’t aware. This is BASIC attack and damage capability of a champ, and it is unacceptable after they release it they say “shoot, it is making more damage than intended” when damage is the single most important stat that should be tested
Not to mention, they already made tons of money with crystals for Cull... they would be cutting their nose to spite their face. Your arguments hold little to no weight because you haven't thought it out. You are simply arguing for the sake of arguing.
"...they have to balance around that champion, to make him weaker vs that content, this has the effect to make other champs who are worse then him even more difficult to clear said content..."
First off, please write in complete sentences. These run on sentences are terrible.
Secondly, this is NOT true. It is only true when you only look at sheer damage. They have nodes that already counter Cull (Biohazard, Thorns, Caltrops, Safeguard to name a few). You can still defeat nodes with other champs, some may take longer than others. The argument of skill is mute. If you have little to no skill and face any of those nodes I mention are faced and you are forced not to use your all-powerful Cull, you will need to feed the unit machine. This is nothing to do with balance. You CANNOT balance skill. You either are skillled or you are not. Kabam is just adding another level of difficulty to the unskilled if they tune down Cull in order to cost them more (thus widening the divide between skilled and unskilled rather than "balancing it").
Skilled players do not need Cull to beat any of these challenges. I have a 5/65 5* sig 200 Cull. I only use him in AW Offense, so your argument is false on it's face and I know from experience. i don't even need Cull to clear EQ or Variant. So, please try harder to come up with a valid argument prior to disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.
LOL
You keep making claims, but supporting none of them ... (as does others ..)
Still waiting for anyone to back anything up with any substantial data ..
*shrug*
until then you're just shouting nonsense trying to derail things ..
You and us are discussing totally different thing. Of course we understand the game balance is important. Now the issue is kabam make player think the new champion is very good, so players spent lots of money to get it, and spent lots of money and materials to rank him up, then Kabam said we think he is too good, we decide to make him worse. Is this kind of misleading? When you make an offer, you cannot change it after the people already accept it. Kabam can make the worse champions better, it is a good way to rebalance the game.
So here’s my take. @Kabam Miike @Kabam Zibiit @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Lyra @Kabam Porthos How is this not a bait and switch tactic where you sell one thing and switch it after it is purchased to a lesser desired product?
There should be some regulation preventing you from nerfing to the ground any desired champ after selling “said champ” in featured cavalier and making us spend more resources to 1) obtain the featured champ 2) to rank up the featured champ. There has to be some give and take here... it can’t all be one-sided. I agree with others that if you need one ability, balance Cull or any champ in the future on what they are weak at. Cull, for instance, needs more utility. I could only really use him for AQ and AW Attack when the path was the correct path for him. I never dared to bring him into end game content, bc chip damage alone would kill him after a fight or two.
Cull was already released in the Basic pool by the time this announcement was made, so isn’t this already breaking your new policy?
You guys asked us to beta test changes for champs and recently asked me and others to test new AQ Map content, but why should we test if you are going to take away from the champs we rank up? I think in all fairness, you should allow YouTube content creators like Dorky Diggity Dave, KT1, lagacy and Seatin to thoroughly play test and approve before any nerfs or changes are made to Cull and any future champs. These guy’s videos are the only reason you are exposed to things that champs can do in the game.
Take a look at how you are turning even them off right now, with changes...
And yes, there is proper testing. I know how QA teams do it. I work with them.
I don't want to repeat myself over and over again. So I'll just stop commenting.
Domino was fixed right away, not few months later. And you said: she was bugged. There is a difference between bug and nerf/buff after 3 months.
Domino was not fixed right away, she was never fixed. She was nerfed SEVEN MONTHS after she was released. She was released in June of 2018 and nerfed in Jan 2019. They felt fixing her would make her overpowered, so they changed her description to meet her current state, which is still a nerf.