Boss Rush Domino Rant

I think its pretty obvious to all the players of this game that Domino who is the second opponent in this months Boss Rush is substantially over-tuned in comparison to the other fights
in MY opinion, the others are a fair fight and give a fair amount of competition for the amount of rewards (I really liked the invisible Woman fight in particular).
Don't get me wrong. I think that the rest of the Boss Rush is amazing but this fight in particular made me very mad (I used my 6* Domino and just used SP3s and heavy hoping for a crit bleed and even after i got her down to 5 percent, i got some bad RNG and i got evaded so many times and before you knew it she was back at 50%)
I really think this fight punishes people who dont have a Void, Mephisto, Dr Voodoo, etc and just serves as an unnecessary pain for those people.
I urge KABAM to take this nerf into consideration

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LeNoirFaineant

There are a lot of counters for her and it's the second fight. There is lots of time to complete this. It doesn't need to be nerfed.

Rotelly

Void, CaptIW, ArchAngel, BW(CV) Hood - lots of counters

Riot1234

Disagree. It’s good to have content of all difficulty levels and different champ requirements. If not, might as well make all quests the same and all champs the same and have a boring game.

i agree with the fact that the fight should be tough, what i am saying is that remove one of the nodes and replace it either with the awakened ability or a non cash grab node. I personally donot even have a 4* version of void or Mephisto so even though i will be able to beat it using 10 revives, I think it is overtuned

ascendance

https://www.reddit.com/r/ContestOfChampions/comments/d61o75/4_void_wiping_floor_with_boss_rush_domino/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ContestOfChampions/comments/d640bv/3_proxima_solos_boss_rush_domino/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ContestOfChampions/comments/d62bj6/330_aa_vs_boss_rush_domino/

What's the issue?

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Jaded

She hulk can do it too...or mentioning her to soon?? 🤷‍♂️

DNA3000

Disagree. It’s good to have content of all difficulty levels and different champ requirements. If not, might as well make all quests the same and all champs the same and have a boring game.
i agree with the fact that the fight should be tough, what i am saying is that remove one of the nodes and replace it either with the awakened ability or a non cash grab node. I personally donot even have a 4* version of void or Mephisto so even though i will be able to beat it using 10 revives, I think it is overtuned

The content designer for the Domino fight posted their thoughts in the Boss Rush thread here: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/984702/#Comment_984702. The gist of it is that the tech node is there to specifically ensure champs like Ghost (and I'm presuming other obvious techs like Sparky) don't bulldoze the fight, so its unlikely they would remove that. The regen node is the primary thing making the fight problematic at all, so that can't really be removed without completely neutering the fight. Originally Domino had her full sig ability, and it was the sig ability that was removed to reduce the difficulty of the fight.

Although I personally used Void on that fight, I've seen many other champs used. All the boss rush fights seem to have more options that are viable than might originally appear to be on the surface. Generally true in the game, but I think the player creators took specific steps to ensure there wasn't only a single avenue to beat the fights.

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Caino1023

I think its pretty obvious to all the players of this game that Domino who is the second opponent in this months Boss Rush is substantially over-tuned in comparison to the other fights
in MY opinion, the others are a fair fight and give a fair amount of competition for the amount of rewards (I really liked the invisible Woman fight in particular).
Don't get me wrong. I think that the rest of the Boss Rush is amazing but this fight in particular made me very mad (I used my 6* Domino and just used SP3s and heavy hoping for a crit bleed and even after i got her down to 5 percent, i got some bad RNG and i got evaded so many times and before you knew it she was back at 50%)
I really think this fight punishes people who dont have a Void, Mephisto, Dr Voodoo, etc and just serves as an unnecessary pain for those people.
I urge KABAM to take this nerf into consideration

Have to disagree. I know it's difficult - but it's doable. I just became uncollected recently, and did the whole boss rush with 4*'s and one 5*. I used a small handful of revives, but it's definitely doable.

I see three things here:

1. It's not unreasonable to think that players should have a roster that can heal block and kill the Domino. My duped 4* Archangel did it fairly easily. How many times are people trying this before coming to the forums to complain? It's only day 1...
2. Who is to say that this event SHOULD be for everyone? How do you keep the top players engaged? how do you put out something that's challenging that even the elite get wrecked on their first couple tries, that keeps them interested and working to get better?
3. The reward is a guaranteed 5*... if you wanted to straight up buy 10k 5* shards from the shop, you'd be spending thousands of units. The average player should be able to save up a couple hundred units for revives and potions and go to town.

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LaVarBBB

I honestly think its a challenging yet fun and doable fight. At first I didn't think I had a counter for her, but with a bit of RNG, potions and a few revives my 3* AA could just scrape the win.

Riot1234

I think its pretty obvious to all the players of this game that Domino who is the second opponent in this months Boss Rush is substantially over-tuned in comparison to the other fights
in MY opinion, the others are a fair fight and give a fair amount of competition for the amount of rewards (I really liked the invisible Woman fight in particular).
Don't get me wrong. I think that the rest of the Boss Rush is amazing but this fight in particular made me very mad (I used my 6* Domino and just used SP3s and heavy hoping for a crit bleed and even after i got her down to 5 percent, i got some bad RNG and i got evaded so many times and before you knew it she was back at 50%)
I really think this fight punishes people who dont have a Void, Mephisto, Dr Voodoo, etc and just serves as an unnecessary pain for those people.
I urge KABAM to take this nerf into consideration
Have to disagree. I know it's difficult - but it's doable. I just became uncollected recently, and did the whole boss rush with 4*'s and one 5*. I used a small handful of revives, but it's definitely doable.

I see three things here:

1. It's not unreasonable to think that players should have a roster that can heal block and kill the Domino. My duped 4* Archangel did it fairly easily. How many times are people trying this before coming to the forums to complain? It's only day 1...
2. Who is to say that this event SHOULD be for everyone? How do you keep the top players engaged? how do you put out something that's challenging that even the elite get wrecked on their first couple tries, that keeps them interested and working to get better?
3. The reward is a guaranteed 5*... if you wanted to straight up buy 10k 5* shards from the shop, you'd be spending thousands of units. The average player should be able to save up a couple hundred units for revives and potions and go to town.

I agree with 90% of what you are saying. What I am saying is that even there are many counters, I feel like there are many ways where in KABAM can make the fight more enjoyable ( Such as adding a champion instead of domino who you can reliably parry or something like that) .

StevieManWonder

If you can do it with a three star, then the fight isn't overtuned at all. Granted, I died to this fight at least 15 times before I got her down with a 5/50 AA, but it really is an easy fight once you understand her counters. The tech node, however, was bs.

TurtleJames

Domino is one of the easiest fights in the challenge. She’s unawakened and can reliably be parried. Give some space and let her run into you to parry.

https://youtu.be/IS1vzpGiX3Y

Cliffordcan

I agree that domino needs to be rework for this boss rush by removing regeneration node with something else.

There is no such thing as God Tier. Well at least you don’t have any😂. That’s what you get for ranking bad champs

PantherusNZ

You guys complaining about Domino need to be VERY Thankful that she's not in her original state of Sig 200

xNig

She should have been sig 200. Would have made the fight more interesting.. 😂

Riot1234

Domino is one of the easiest fights in the challenge. She’s unawakened and can reliably be parried. Give some space and let her run into you to parry.

https://youtu.be/IS1vzpGiX3Y

not all of us have a rank 4 awakened AA mate lol

Markjv81

There’s so many counters for her it’s not even funny, especially if you have the despair mastery, think out side the box.

Lvernon15

A skilled player can get it done with a 3 star aa or void, there are plenty of options most of which work at a lower star level

Dragonfei

Hey there!

I'm Dragon, and I'm part of the UMCOC Podcast - and I took the lead on designing the Domino fight for this challenge! I'm sorry that you're finding it very difficult, but it is a challenge designed to make you think and counter the nodes, rather than the standard approach of countering the champion. I posted my "why these nodes" on twitter, but here's a quick summary so you can better understand.

Tech champs are an obvious counter to Domino with the "never being unlucky" thing, so by adding Ensnare Tech, selecting a tech champion had a consequence.
Ghost is currently able to bulldoze tons of content in this game and I wanted at least one fight in the Boss Rush to be impossible for Ghost. Between the 1% Regen and the 100% AAR of Ensnare Tech, this succeeded.
I also wanted a fight where an obvious counter didn't work - such as Corvus. 1% Regen and Backblast countered him.
That being said, I did want the fight to have several counters, and I've included the tentative list below of champs that I have so far seen people complete this challenge with.

Here's a list of champs that have effectively beaten Domino as 3*'s or higher that I've seen so far in chats -

Void
Archangel
Sunspot
Human Torch
Mephisto
Voodoo
Proxima Midnight
Beardo (Cap IW)
Guillotine
Mysterio
Sym Supreme

Void is one of the best options being incinerate immune. Same goes for Sunspot. Archangel can shut down and reverse her regen and is immune to AAR, as is Mysterio (he's a designed counter for her). Mephisto will shut down her regen in the beginning with Soul Imprisonment, making the rest of the fight easy, and Voodoo can constantly eat her regen with his L1.

Proxima can complete three missions and then solo her with an L3 (this has been done with both a 3* and 4*), Beardo can land petrifies if you bring a tech champ and then get some solid damage off. Sym can nullify her healing and cause bleed (but be careful of the power gain), and Guilly, if you get lucky, can reverse her regen.

There you go. From the person who helped to design the fight, and has been watching Line chats all day, there is a set list of counters and what to do for each of them.

In addition to those, I've also seen folks successfully using Domino herself with the Incinerate Trinity, Warlock, and a couple of others. Having 13+ counters for a particular fight, especially one like this isn't horrible, at least in my opinion, and was something I strived for when I worked with the podcast crew to design the fight.

Good luck on the fight in the future!

-Dragon

TurtleJames

Domino is one of the easiest fights in the challenge. She’s unawakened and can reliably be parried. Give some space and let her run into you to parry.

https://youtu.be/IS1vzpGiX3Y
not all of us have a rank 4 awakened AA mate lol
Right....

“Omg this fight is so easy I just brought one of the best counters to the fight”

I hate posts like that.

You guys are too much... Here is me going up to SS with only 4*’s. I messed up on SS, but it’s doable.

https://youtu.be/xoDmrBIbkrE

Let me guess what the response will be: Well look at Mr. Monopoly here with his maxed 4*’s. Not everyone has 4’s.

OK here’s me with 3*’s....Just kidding. 3* AA takes forever to beat Domino. Don’t try it.

Marri_2

Void and AA destroy her easily. With a bit of skill 3* versions will do.

That Sym Supreme though...oof

Hector_1475

In typical Kabam fashion, and as confirmed by Aria's list above, this is a champion-specific event. I don't know if the list of the champions that is suggested by the content creator is short of long, this can only by judged subjectively by each one of us. But the fact is that this is a champion-specific event and same has been confirmed.

Furthermore, we must note that most of the champions that can be used to beat this event, not only require awakening, but a high signature on top of that.

I have my personal feelings against events that require specific champions to be beaten. I don't mind nodes like masochism or buffet that can be worked around or be beaten with a wide variety of champs (certainly with some, more successfully than others). But, case in point, picking up Domino who is undeniably one of the best defenders in the game and has a full arsenal of tricks against you, adding crazy regen and then wiping out the entire class of class-advantage opponents is NOT smart of creative thinking. It's rather lazy and cheap thinking. All in my opinion, of course.

Now, beyond this point, even if someone belongs to the demographic that has these / a few of these specific champions in their roster and properly ranked up and sigged up, and they can breeze through it in a few minutes, there comes the issue of the rewards. The reward is certainly indifferent to anyone who can provide the requested roster, making this event totally unbalanced (roster required against rewards).

To top it all of, we SHOULD make a special mention to the BUGS that keep persisting. You know, like defenders throwing specials mid combo, which happened a lot. So, theory (""yeah, you should be easily do it with your AA or Proxima") can be very far away from reality.

Kalantak

being unawakened i dnt think she is overtuned,+ quite a few options who can take domino,but i agree overall she is a champ in a need of a proper explanation atleadt and guidelines of what works and what doesnt and she needs the en tag removed as well!!! in war en defense tactics on domino gurantees you ur death,lost to aliance war and if in bunch aholes alliance a kick out of alliance.

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Dragonfei

In typical Kabam fashion, and as confirmed by Aria's list above, this is a champion-specific event. I don't know if the list of the champions that is suggested by the content creator is short of long, this can only by judged subjectively by each one of us. But the fact is that this is a champion-specific event and same has been confirmed.

Furthermore, we must note that most of the champions that can be used to beat this event, not only require awakening, but a high signature on top of that.

I have my personal feelings against events that require specific champions to be beaten. I don't mind nodes like masochism or buffet that can be worked around or be beaten with a wide variety of champs (certainly with some, more successfully than others). But, case in point, picking up Domino who is undeniably one of the best defenders in the game and has a full arsenal of tricks against you, adding crazy regen and then wiping out the entire class of class-advantage opponents is NOT smart of creative thinking. It's rather lazy and cheap thinking. All in my opinion, of course.

Now, beyond this point, even if someone belongs to the demographic that has these / a few of these specific champions in their roster and properly ranked up and sigged up, and they can breeze through it in a few minutes, there comes the issue of the rewards. The reward is certainly indifferent to anyone who can provide the requested roster, making this event totally unbalanced (roster required against rewards).

To top it all of, we SHOULD make a special mention to the BUGS that keep persisting. You know, like defenders throwing specials mid combo, which happened a lot. So, theory (""yeah, you should be easily do it with your AA or Proxima") can be very far away from reality.

Champ specific, by pure definition, would have been the original version of the fight. Of which there were TWO feasible counters - Void, or Mysterio. Even then, you probably risked dying to crit failure, and this would have been impossible to do with 3*'s and extremely unlikely to do with 4*'s.

Calling something a "champ specific fight" when so many of the fights in the contest are champ specific seems a bit off, to me? At the end of the day, I'm posting the counter list not to say "these are the only ways you can beat her, you better have these champs or else!", I'm posting it to help people. Because this is a tough fight. I, and the podcast, designed a tough fight. But it's a doable fight.

The list of champions above (which now includes Warlock, Domino, and I've seen people saying they've been successful with Hyperion with Max Despair) is only going to continue to expand as people test and try new things. The list is double what it was when I finished testing the fight and it launched earlier today. (I didn't have a high sig Torch, or Sunspot, or Mysterio, but I've all seen them used as successful counters.)

Saying this event requires specific champions when all you really need for this fight is...a heal blocker? And some good fighting skills? Is a bit much. There's plenty of content in the game that requires the same. That requirement isn't unique. In fact, to use the example you point out - you usually need a heal blocker, or a heal reversal for Buffet nodes. This is something that people are aware of in their rosters, and usually do have a counter for, in some way, shape or form, because it's something the contest requires for success.

The two hardest fights in the Boss Rush, from the complaints I have seen, boil down to a handful of needs.

Domino - Need heal blocker/regen reversal, bonus if you have someone immune to AAR
Sym Supreme - Need a Power Drainer/Power Controller, bonus if you have someone who can tank an L3

Those are, according to your argument, "champ specific", but those are types of champs that are required in a wide variety of areas of the contest and across a wide variety of champions, so I'm not sure how you can flag that as a bad thing? If the requirement were - "Incinerate immune, low crit rate, regen reversal" then, well, yeah, the only real counter is Void, and maybe Sunspot. Then I'd agree with you.

I think you're taking it a bit too far in your assessment. It's not strange or unheard of for a node combination to require a certain type of champion, whether that's bleed immune, double immune, power control, regen reversal, stun lock, no buffs, doesn't rely on debuffs, etc.

Not every fight is meant to be countered by every champion, nor should it be - the Domino fight included.

Bpn88855

just use void or mephisto 4*. for me was harder invisible women, i fought here just few times, did not used yet tot her sps and invisible phases