Is Symbiote Supreme broken?

zbot34

I was just fighting Hyperion in AQ map 5 and I had Nulls Shadow up which is supposed to help you resist full damage from a special and he launched a SP3 and with 85% health I got ko'd immediately. Anyone else having SS issues like this? Also if it me or is genetic potential not filling up nearly as fast as it used to about 1 to 2 months ago??

PrezRio4

The Shield you gain from Nulls Shadow is a few seconds shorter than the Null Shadows phase itself, so if Hype launched you the sp3 near the end of Nulls Shadow it is possible to be ko'd

Johnnoooooo

I have also found this issue, where im taking way more than the 5% cap... Also, i receive more than 5% damage through a block at times too, so its doesnt work through a block either

Octoberstack

When SS switches into Null's Shadow, he gains a protection buff that caps damage per hit to 15%. This protection buff only lasts for the first 10 seconds of the Null's Shadow blessing, and the blessing itself is 15 seconds long.

Also, this 15% threshold is reduced by 50% if the opponent has an active buff - this if often overlooked or forgotten by most SS players, myself included.

Hopefully this helps? One or more of these factors might explain what's happened in the scenarios you've described @zbot34 @Johnnoooooo

Johnnoooooo

@Octoberstack this helps yeah, i forgot, keep thinking its 5%.. Although i have eaten sp3s and died like op has also said.. I am also really struggling to parry with him

Octoberstack

Johnnoooooo said:

Im also, struggling massively to parry with symbiot supreme

@Johnnoooooo It can take a bit of time getting used to his long sweeping animations - they end a bit later after a combo compared to other champs, so it can be a bit harder to line up the parry timing when playing aggressively. I'd say keep practising in arena to train your muscle memory and learn the visual cues for his parry window.

Johnnoooooo said:

@Octoberstack this helps yeah, i forgot, keep thinking its 5%.. Although i have eaten sp3s and died like op has also said.. I am also really struggling to parry with him

This must have happened during the last 5 seconds of Null's Shadow (when the 15% protection buff is inactive)?

klobberintyme

Johnnoooooo said:

@Octoberstack this helps yeah, i forgot, keep thinking its 5%.. Although i have eaten sp3s and died like op has also said.. I am also really struggling to parry with him

5% is ice armor.

NicCagius

Johnnoooooo said:

Im also, struggling massively to parry with symbiot supreme

you cant parry if you end a combo with a medium with Supreme

If you use MLLLL you can parry 100% percent of the time.

it took a while to train myself to use Supreme like this.

Tehsigzorz

Johnnoooooo said:

Im also, struggling massively to parry with symbiot supreme

I personally use MLLLL combo instead of MLLLM as its easier to immediately parry right after

Shrimkins

NicCagius said:

Johnnoooooo said:

Im also, struggling massively to parry with symbiot supreme

you cant parry if you end a combo with a medium with Supreme

If you use MLLLL you can parry 100% percent of the time.

it took a while to train myself to use Supreme like this.

I parry all the time with SS after a medium...

zbot34

@Octoberstack thanks for the insight. I have overlooked that part of the description of my opponent has buffs at the time of attack. I believe Hyperion has 1 power gain buff active. I do know I was still in that 10 second window though for the reduced damaged but thanks about the reminder about the 50% reduction for each buff still active