Let's have a real talk about "Buffed" champs

Looking back through all the champions that have been buffed in MCOC who do you think actually got a buff that was WORTH getting??
Nobody uses Juggernaut or Spidergwen for anything other than war defense.
She Hulk got a buff and then a passive nerf right afterwards.
Venom and Carnage were both enhanced making them both great damage dealers but Venom was clearly favored and turned into an awesome Spiderman counter.
Luke Cage is arguably the most well buffed champion we have seen in game so far, great for questing and some AQ and AW fights also. Good utility, and awesome damage output.
What are your thoughts and where do you think Old Man Logan and Colossus will fall in this list? (If we ever actually get their buffs)

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DrZola

Cage and Red Hulk and Venom. All terrific buffs.

Colossus and OML will be mid-point among buffed champs. More like Carnage than Venom.

Dr. Zola

PantherusNZ

Carnage has got great damage output, and also with his unblockable specials has good utility with some block-happy opponents.

SpiderGwen has massive offensive power with enervate and Slow debuffs.

Pach

I loved she hulk rip

DNA3000

Spider-Gwen, She-Hulk, Luke Cage, Red Hulk, Venom were all buffed to being very useful, and I use them all. Based on beta testing, it's probable I will find uses for Colossus and OML, although that is still technically up in the air. The only one I don't really use much is Carnage.

CoatHang3r

Magik was probably the most impactful buff in the history of MCOC. Her buff changed AW which led to Blade who changed the entire game.

Neonoctis

Forgot about red hulk. Yes his buff was very good and did make him a good all around damage dealer for sure.

World Eater

All of the recent reworked champs have been pretty darn good. Besides the heroes others have mentioned: Gamora was revamped. Nebula, Jane Foster , electro & storm we’re given immunity or resistance to shock. Hopefully Colossus and OML are just as good as the other reworked champs.

Tehsigzorz

Spidergwen and she hulk are used quite a lot mate... one has power control and slow debuff and the other has poison immunity and slow debuff and both have pretty good damage

MegaSkater67

Looking back through all the champions that have been buffed in MCOC who do you think actually got a buff that was WORTH getting??
Nobody uses Juggernaut or Spidergwen for anything other than war defense.
She Hulk got a buff and then a passive nerf right afterwards.
Venom and Carnage were both enhanced making them both great damage dealers but Venom was clearly favored and turned into an awesome Spiderman counter.
Luke Cage is arguably the most well buffed champion we have seen in game so far, great for questing and some AQ and AW fights also. Good utility, and awesome damage output.
What are your thoughts and where do you think Old Man Logan and Colossus will fall in this list? (If we ever actually get their buffs)

Spider-Gwen is fantastic offensively. And I use venom a lot too which means she benefits from the synergy between them to increase her damage output significantly. Definitely my favourite 2 buffed characters, she’s next in line for r5 and I don’t intend to use her as a defender. Lots of utility, plenty of damage. I have a far more in depth write up on her but I’ll keep it brief for this one, a lot of fun to use. Personally I think all of the ones you mentioned are quite good in their own ways. The old man Logan buff worries me to be honest, he has been one of my favourite characters for a long time and I just hope his playstyle doesn’t change too much. Hopefully I will like the new version though, would be a real shame if didn’t enjoy using him anymore.

DNA3000

Venom was clearly favored and turned into an awesome Spiderman counter.

Also I should point out that he turned out to be a pretty good IMIW counter and an even better Medusa counter. In fact anything that procs a lot of buffs makes Venom suicide friendly because he can recover more health from SP1 than recoil burns.

Here's how you kill Medusa with 3* Venom if you aren't super-skilled:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjbfOQNHLzI
Rule 1: two furies = bad, only use SP1 if you can
Rule 2: three furies = very bad, only hit once then back away
Rule 3: two bars of power = swirly swirly bad, don't stand next to her
Rule 4: <18% health = no more bad, eat face

Anyone who graduated from Dorky Diggity Dave's school of cool with a C+ or better should be able to do this with a couple minutes practice.

Kennado

Magik was probably the most impactful buff in the history of MCOC. Her buff changed AW which led to Blade who changed the entire game.

Magrailothos

Looking back through all the champions that have been buffed in MCOC who do you think actually got a buff that was WORTH getting??
...Juggernaut... Spidergwen ...She Hulk ...Venom ... Carnage ...Luke Cage...

What are your thoughts and where do you think Old Man Logan and Colossus will fall in this list? (If we ever actually get their buffs)

I think all those buffs were worth having, as others have argued.

Given this game is built on the development of new champions, not old ones, expecting buffs to rocket champs from meme-tier to god-tier is unreasonable. Also, some buffs may be defensive, others offensive, still others utilitarian.

Some of the champs whose buffs made them genuinely useful, in an approximate order of how useful they've become:

Magik
Luke Cage
Venom
She-Hulk
Red Hulk
Carnage
Spider-Gwen
Gamora

Smaller buffs that made champions at least a bit better; although not great:

Winter Soldier (remember his original Sig, 'Torment'? And before he had his ammo stockpile? That's without even mentioning his Killmonger synergy)
Punisher (not great, but can do fairly good DoT once you create an open wound. Certainly better than most of the other 'trophy' champs)
Juggernaut (he's had several mini-buffs; rather than one proper rework)
Black Bolt* (he's been given armour breaks, lost his SP2 recoil, and been given a good team synergy, rather than one proper rework)

*Before you say he's never useful, bear in mind that he's a Poison-immune champ who can proc permanent Fury effects...

I'm hoping that the up-coming Colossus/OML buffs will fall in the 'genuinely useful' category. I don't think either champ will become the new Domino/Archangel/Omega Red; but both should become useable in content if you don't have those top-tier champions.

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Pach

I feel like Gamora is forgotten a bit

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Tax

I agree - Gamora was very good and can become great when you pair her with CapIW and Guillotine. Gully doesn't do much for Gamora, but Gamora makes Gully pretty awesome.

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Pseudouber

I just wish they would do more mini buffs instead of total reworks. It seems like they want to make older champs more up to date so I would think it work make sense to go though the champs and just kinda tweak champs a little that need it. Like Guillotine, Just make her souls not drop off or Juggernaut give him like indestructible with the unstoppable is up. Diablo give him unlimited potions and make them more potent. Psylock, allow her to gain power faster. Moon Knight, stack bleeds. So Simple..

Ragnaroky12

Buff old champs works fine with variant difficulty, with 2015 or 2015/16 rank up gems that you obtain every chapter. I used rankup gem for cage, venom, she hulk, in a few days i will rank up rhulk, and probably colossus when the buff will be release. So yes i think all buff are worth getting.
P. S.
I made all variant 2 with venom and rhulk, and i use constantly cage in aq 6. I would rank up these champs even without rank up gems

Neonoctis

Interesting that Kabam held back the Colossus buff, in a month where we could use an incinerate immune champ for Mephisto boss. 🤔🤔🤔

There’s not a lot of Incinerate immune champs.

I actually made a post about this also. And old man Logan being immune to accuracy reduction with a domino boss in boss rush. Even though they ended up making her unawakened. Lol

Thi101

Looking back through all the champions that have been buffed in MCOC who do you think actually got a buff that was WORTH getting??
Nobody uses Juggernaut or Spidergwen for anything other than war defense.

???? Spider-Gwen is my main attacker, the hell you sayin’?

She’s my only R4 5* so far and she shreds multiple enemies for me. Idk why you think that no one uses her out of AW defense ._.

Colonaut123

All of the reworks were pretty good, so I don't see the problem.

Apparently, because a buffed champion isn't beyond god tier, people evaluate it as bad.

We as a player base get conditioned to these ridiculous powerful champions so we can't appreciate a well-rounded champion. I call this phenomenon the Blade syndrome as he is the source of it. It is mass psychosis.

Colonaut123

Interesting that Kabam held back the Colossus buff, in a month where we could use an incinerate immune champ for Mephisto boss. 🤔🤔🤔

There’s not a lot of Incinerate immune champs.

Void, Night Trasher, Red Hulk (partially), Ghulk and Blade's AAR

DNA3000

Interesting that Kabam held back the Colossus buff, in a month where we could use an incinerate immune champ for Mephisto boss. 🤔🤔🤔

There’s not a lot of Incinerate immune champs.
Void, Night Trasher, Red Hulk (partially), Ghulk and Blade's AAR

Specifically to deal with Mephisto's incineration aura, Iceman also works, I believe awakened AA works, and Namor works. Emma works if you mostly stay in diamond form. Havok, Sunspot, and Human Torch I believe are all immune.

Also, duh, Mephisto. Although you want to make sure you don't trigger your own aura when you go Mephisto vs Mephisto.

Cryptic_Cobra

Interesting that Kabam held back the Colossus buff, in a month where we could use an incinerate immune champ for Mephisto boss. 🤔🤔🤔

There’s not a lot of Incinerate immune champs.
Void, Night Trasher, Red Hulk (partially), Ghulk and Blade's AAR
Specifically to deal with Mephisto's incineration aura, Iceman also works, I believe awakened AA works, and Namor works. Emma works if you mostly stay in diamond form. Havok, Sunspot, and Human Torch I believe are all immune.

Also, duh, Mephisto. Although you want to make sure you don't trigger your own aura when you go Mephisto vs Mephisto.

If we are just listing counters, I used sparky for my 1 shots

just spam heavy and you will trigger hardly any incinerates.
Really the mephisto boss has a ton of counters, you just need to be willing to try.

spigwender

you assuming spider gwen is defense only is 100% wrong. i took her to 5/65, beat labyrinth easy path with her. so good on offense and defense.

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Eric987

Interesting that Kabam held back the Colossus buff, in a month where we could use an incinerate immune champ for Mephisto boss. 🤔🤔🤔

There’s not a lot of Incinerate immune champs.
Void, Night Trasher, Red Hulk (partially), Ghulk and Blade's AAR
Specifically to deal with Mephisto's incineration aura, Iceman also works, I believe awakened AA works, and Namor works. Emma works if you mostly stay in diamond form. Havok, Sunspot, and Human Torch I believe are all immune.

Also, duh, Mephisto. Although you want to make sure you don't trigger your own aura when you go Mephisto vs Mephisto.

AA? Mephisto is poison immune so not sure how he is a counter.

Markjv81

The gamora rework was really good, the down side is she’s still over shadowed by a stacked cosmic class.

Venom and she-hulk have been the pick of the bunch.