Old man Logan sucks. And is broken still

Neonoctis

Regen is sub par at best. Damage is mediocre. Without awaken ability good luck getting to 15 passive bleeds with an sp2. Oh... and icing on the cake. The armor break STILL doesn’t work. Pic was taken right after sp1 hit.
Thanks for another awful champ buff kabam. We appreciate it. 👍🏻

Lormif

Neonoctis said:

Regen is sub par at best. Damage is mediocre. Without awaken ability good luck getting to 15 passive bleeds with an sp2. Oh... and icing on the cake. The armor break STILL doesn’t work. Pic was taken right after sp1 hit.
Thanks for another awful champ buff kabam. We appreciate it. 👍🏻

Are you sure you have the update? IOS seems to not have it yet.

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DarthHaas

Colossus not showing buffed on mine yet even though got the email

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Secret_Gamer

Neonoctis said:

Regen is sub par at best. Damage is mediocre. Without awaken ability good luck getting to 15 passive bleeds with an sp2. Oh... and icing on the cake. The armor break STILL doesn’t work. Pic was taken right after sp1 hit.
Thanks for another awful champ buff kabam. We appreciate it. 👍🏻

,,Another awful" champion buff? Which of the before ones were bad?

Neonoctis

Lormif said:

Neonoctis said:

Regen is sub par at best. Damage is mediocre. Without awaken ability good luck getting to 15 passive bleeds with an sp2. Oh... and icing on the cake. The armor break STILL doesn’t work. Pic was taken right after sp1 hit.
Thanks for another awful champ buff kabam. We appreciate it. 👍🏻

Are you sure you have the update? IOS seems to not have it yet.

I’m positive. It says “unblockable” during my special. He didn’t have a mechanic like that before. Also I have passive bleed and stacks of fury but no cruelties.

Lormif

Neonoctis said:

Lormif said:

Neonoctis said:

Regen is sub par at best. Damage is mediocre. Without awaken ability good luck getting to 15 passive bleeds with an sp2. Oh... and icing on the cake. The armor break STILL doesn’t work. Pic was taken right after sp1 hit.
Thanks for another awful champ buff kabam. We appreciate it. 👍🏻

Are you sure you have the update? IOS seems to not have it yet.

I’m positive. It says “unblockable” during my special. He didn’t have a mechanic like that before. Also I have passive bleed and stacks of fury but no cruelties.

fair enough, was just making sure.

Neonoctis

Also the armor break isn’t broken. It’s just a gimped form of armor break because most all other champs in game can apply armor break even if the opponent doesn’t have armor. (I.e. corvus. Thor. ) but apparently the new awesome super buffed old man Logan can only apply armor break if the opponent has armor up. What kind of cheap pathetic attempt at a buff was this kabam ?!

Secret_Gamer

DarthHaas said:

Colossus not showing buffed on mine yet even though got the email

Then you probably haven't gotten the update.

Lormif

Neonoctis said:

Also the armor break isn’t broken. It’s just a gimped form of armor break because most all other champs in game can apply armor break even if the opponent doesn’t have armor. (I.e. corvus. Thor. ) but apparently the new awesome super buffed old man Logan can only apply armor break if the opponent has armor up. What kind of cheap pathetic attempt at a buff was this kabam ?!

why do you want to armor break them when they have no armor, unless you are hoping to trigger dispair, but you run the risk of willpower for no gains since armor break wont increase your damage if they had no armor to begin with.

Neonoctis

I do run despair and applying any debuffs lowers their healing in my case. So yes. I’d prefer the armor break go on all the time. Corvus applies armor break on every single parry and it stacks!!! Why shouldn’t this armor break work the same way ?

Neonoctis

@Kabam Miike what in the world were you all thinking. Old man Logan is 100% worse off now than he was before. And why give him this new mechanic where the opponent has to have armor up to be able to break it when all the other champs in game can do it freely at anytime.

Graydrox

I'm taking full bleed damage from Double Edge with regen active. Anybody else have this problem?

Nojokejaym

I get to 15 passive bleeds easy and turn them all into furies, idk what you’re doing

Neonoctis

Yes! This is also happening !! He is not taking reduced bleed damage while the regen buff is up. WTF!! Kabam get it right The first time or don’t release it at all.
Period. @Kabam Miike @Kabam Zibiit @Kabam Vydious @Kabam Lyra

SDP

Lormif said:

Neonoctis said:

Also the armor break isn’t broken. It’s just a gimped form of armor break because most all other champs in game can apply armor break even if the opponent doesn’t have armor. (I.e. corvus. Thor. ) but apparently the new awesome super buffed old man Logan can only apply armor break if the opponent has armor up. What kind of cheap pathetic attempt at a buff was this kabam ?!

why do you want to armor break them when they have no armor, unless you are hoping to trigger dispair, but you run the risk of willpower for no gains since armor break wont increase your damage if they had no armor to begin with.

Don’t all champs have an inherent armor rating?

Aleor

I wasn't in beta, but was using my r4 oml in aq. I did now couple of fights vs bleed node, and... I actually think he was better before. I wouldn't call it a buff, rework is more suitable. Damage wise I also don't see big difference. Will give it more time to explore, but overall I'm not impressed in any good way

Lormif

SDP said:

Lormif said:

Neonoctis said:

Also the armor break isn’t broken. It’s just a gimped form of armor break because most all other champs in game can apply armor break even if the opponent doesn’t have armor. (I.e. corvus. Thor. ) but apparently the new awesome super buffed old man Logan can only apply armor break if the opponent has armor up. What kind of cheap pathetic attempt at a buff was this kabam ?!

why do you want to armor break them when they have no armor, unless you are hoping to trigger dispair, but you run the risk of willpower for no gains since armor break wont increase your damage if they had no armor to begin with.

Don’t all champs have an inherent armor rating?

I dont know, I assumed so, but I was going off what the OP stated, he said the debuff does not happen if there is no armor, not me.

Secret_Gamer

SDP said:

Lormif said:

Neonoctis said:

Also the armor break isn’t broken. It’s just a gimped form of armor break because most all other champs in game can apply armor break even if the opponent doesn’t have armor. (I.e. corvus. Thor. ) but apparently the new awesome super buffed old man Logan can only apply armor break if the opponent has armor up. What kind of cheap pathetic attempt at a buff was this kabam ?!

why do you want to armor break them when they have no armor, unless you are hoping to trigger dispair, but you run the risk of willpower for no gains since armor break wont increase your damage if they had no armor to begin with.

Don’t all champs have an inherent armor rating?

That's what I was gonna say lol. I really think OML would benefit from normal Armor Breaks.

Nojokejaym

His cruelty comes form using a sp3 and it’s from th bleed you put in the opponent

Aleor

Neonoctis said:

@Kabam Miike what in the world were you all thinking. Old man Logan is 100% worse off now than he was before. And why give him this new mechanic where the opponent has to have armor up to be able to break it when all the other champs in game can do it freely at anytime.

Actually Ronan has same armor break on his heavy. But I can see why people miss it, such a lame thing to have

Secret_Gamer

Lormif said:

SDP said:

Lormif said:

Neonoctis said:

Also the armor break isn’t broken. It’s just a gimped form of armor break because most all other champs in game can apply armor break even if the opponent doesn’t have armor. (I.e. corvus. Thor. ) but apparently the new awesome super buffed old man Logan can only apply armor break if the opponent has armor up. What kind of cheap pathetic attempt at a buff was this kabam ?!

why do you want to armor break them when they have no armor, unless you are hoping to trigger dispair, but you run the risk of willpower for no gains since armor break wont increase your damage if they had no armor to begin with.

Don’t all champs have an inherent armor rating?

I dont know, I assumed so, but I was going off what the OP stated, he said the debuff does not happen if there is no armor, not me.

Yeah, but you were the one questioning why he would want normal Armor Breaks.

Neonoctis

Can’t wait to hear what the team has to say about all this. I don’t understand why In the world. You would release this update. After ALL this extra time you took to get the champs “right” you didn’t listen to all of us in the community who asked for just his normal passive regen and a little more fury damage. Instead you ruined this buff and then released an update with it being incomplete. Congrats team 👍🏻

Aleor

Secret_Gamer said:

Neonoctis said:

Regen is sub par at best. Damage is mediocre. Without awaken ability good luck getting to 15 passive bleeds with an sp2. Oh... and icing on the cake. The armor break STILL doesn’t work. Pic was taken right after sp1 hit.
Thanks for another awful champ buff kabam. We appreciate it. 👍🏻

,,Another awful" champion buff? Which of the before ones were bad?

Gamora was buffed in a useless way imo, that heavy refreshing is not comfortable at all. Don't know anyone who would've be in love with her after the buff. But she wasn't made worse, wich might just happen to oml.

Lormif

Secret_Gamer said:

Lormif said:

SDP said:

Lormif said:

Neonoctis said:

Also the armor break isn’t broken. It’s just a gimped form of armor break because most all other champs in game can apply armor break even if the opponent doesn’t have armor. (I.e. corvus. Thor. ) but apparently the new awesome super buffed old man Logan can only apply armor break if the opponent has armor up. What kind of cheap pathetic attempt at a buff was this kabam ?!

why do you want to armor break them when they have no armor, unless you are hoping to trigger dispair, but you run the risk of willpower for no gains since armor break wont increase your damage if they had no armor to begin with.

Don’t all champs have an inherent armor rating?

I dont know, I assumed so, but I was going off what the OP stated, he said the debuff does not happen if there is no armor, not me.

Yeah, but you were the one questioning why he would want normal Armor Breaks.

question why you would want it is not the same as claiming that should or is the case.

Neonoctis

Nojokejaym said:

His cruelty comes form using a sp3 and it’s from th bleed you put in the opponent

No. It doesn’t. He gains passive increase to crit rating on sp3 if they have deep bleeds applied.

RakeYoung

Graydrox said:

I'm taking full bleed damage from Double Edge with regen active. Anybody else have this problem?

i came here to see if this is being discussed.

before buff i was gaining +20 HP(1 point in coagulate) while suicide debuffs where active.

now i'm actually losing approx 20 HP with no changes to mastery and same point in coagulate which i keep for Omega.

Bpn88855

Same I can say about colossus. Still trash champ ) at least r4 was by 2015 gem. It was 216 hits to kill him.

Secret_Gamer

Aleor said:

Secret_Gamer said:

Neonoctis said:

Regen is sub par at best. Damage is mediocre. Without awaken ability good luck getting to 15 passive bleeds with an sp2. Oh... and icing on the cake. The armor break STILL doesn’t work. Pic was taken right after sp1 hit.
Thanks for another awful champ buff kabam. We appreciate it. 👍🏻

,,Another awful" champion buff? Which of the before ones were bad?

Gamora was buffed in a useless way imo, that heavy refreshing is not comfortable at all. Don't know anyone who would've be in love with her after the buff. But she wasn't made worse, wich might just happen to oml.

Fair point. Still, in comparison to like 50% of the game's champs she's definitely standing out and is a solid damage dealer. If she had more utility, was available as a 5* and the cosmic class wasn't as crowded as it is currently, I definitely believe a lot more people would use her.

Secret_Gamer

Bpn88855 said:

Same I can say about colossus. Still trash champ ) at least r4 was by 2015 gem. It was 216 hits to kill him.

Did you actually Heavy Spam? That's were the damage comes from.