These modifiers are a stupid system if you choose not to do them you now get less rewards than you did before they were introduced.
So you like getting more points from running a more difficult map than another alliance, but dont like when another alliance gets more points from running a more difficult version of the map than you?
Completely irrelevant to my post, the fact is you now get less rewards for doing the exact same content as a week ago.
No you dont. You get the same exact amount of points as you did before. The difference is there's a way for others to earn more points now. You're not receiving less for what you're doing, others are doing more to receive additional points.
Your rank was never guaranteed beforehand. Other alliances could pass you in prestige and you'd drop rank and potentially earn less rewards. Now there is another way besides prestige for an alliance to outrank you. What you have to decide is, are the additional points worth the additional effort and to what extent? You can always increase prestige or map difficulty (if you arent running map 7 already) to increase point totals as well
These modifiers are a stupid system if you choose not to do them you now get less rewards than you did before they were introduced.
So you like getting more points from running a more difficult map than another alliance, but dont like when another alliance gets more points from running a more difficult version of the map than you?
Completely irrelevant to my post, the fact is you now get less rewards for doing the exact same content as a week ago.
No you dont. You get the same exact amount of points as you did before. The difference is there's a way for others to earn more points now. You're not receiving less for what you're doing, others are doing more to receive additional points.
So less rewards for the same content, good I’m glad we are on the same page.
These modifiers are a stupid system if you choose not to do them you now get less rewards than you did before they were introduced.
You mean like when they added Map 6 and again when they added Map 7? If you didn't do them and others did, you would then be getting lower rank rewards.
The game has no obligation to give you the same rank in a competition if other players choose to do more than you.
For the vast majority of players, the system is fairly easy to use, and fairly easy to get more rewards out of for virtually zero extra effort. My alliance is fairly chill, doesn't do Map 6, only used Normal and Heroic modifiers, was locked out of the system on the first day, and we got enough bonus points to move up one tier on peak milestones AND moved up a bit in rank. And except for the officers that had to remember to turn them on, this cost the players in the alliance virtually nothing. I didn't see any evidence of a significant hardship being experienced.
Falling behind on rank rewards if you choose to ignore the system isn't stupid, it is what's supposed to happen. That's how competition works. But what's important is that across all players, we're getting more rewards. And it is only costing people more to get those rewards if they try to apply more modifiers than they can handle, which is entirely their choice.
These modifiers are a stupid system if you choose not to do them you now get less rewards than you did before they were introduced.
So you like getting more points from running a more difficult map than another alliance, but dont like when another alliance gets more points from running a more difficult version of the map than you?
Completely irrelevant to my post, the fact is you now get less rewards for doing the exact same content as a week ago.
No you dont. You get the same exact amount of points as you did before. The difference is there's a way for others to earn more points now. You're not receiving less for what you're doing, others are doing more to receive additional points.
So less rewards for the same content, good I’m glad we are on the same page.
You don't seem to understand this at all. Your rank is never guaranteed. My alliance was #1 in AQ for a while. Another alliance passed us in prestige. We no longer got the rewards for being #1 but were still running the same map everyday.
Another alliance utilized an option to score higher than us just like other did with you apparently. I already gave you the options you have to try to get your rank back. If you and your alliance can't or are unwilling to do that, the alliances that are willing to do more will be rewarded for doing so. It's not rocket science
These modifiers are a stupid system if you choose not to do them you now get less rewards than you did before they were introduced.
You mean like when they added Map 6 and again when they added Map 7?
Yes exactly like that.
You're pretty special aren't ya?
As special as a person who tries to insult over the internet.
Look man, I'm not trying to get into more of a back and forth than has already happened. People who are willing to do more will get more that's just common sense. If you're not willing to do more then you will fall behind. You're not getting less for what you did people are just doing more to get more than what you're already getting. It's pretty simple
These modifiers are a stupid system if you choose not to do them you now get less rewards than you did before they were introduced.
You mean like when they added Map 6 and again when they added Map 7?
Yes exactly like that.
You're pretty special aren't ya?
As special as a person who tries to insult over the internet.
Look man, I'm not trying to get into more of a back and forth than has already happened. People who are willing to do more will get more that's just common sense. If you're not willing to do more then you will fall behind. You're not getting less for what you did people are just doing more to get more than what you're already getting. It's pretty simple
Don’t want to do back and forth, continually replies to my posts. My point still stands, a week ago 6x5 gave X rewards, now for doing the exact same content it gives less than X.
@Markjv81 numbers and proof to support this, would make the point not only valid but valuable to the community and too Kabam.
My alliance didn't see less rewards; we analyzed not going for multipliers as an OK option to sustain rewards. We eventually decided to go for it, and we actually did better in AQ with modifiers as it seems other alliances couldn't keep the pace. This is good from a complexity standpoint and to differentiate alliances in more appropriate ranks due to their strategies and capabilities to overcome the increased difficulty.
These modifiers are a stupid system if you choose not to do them you now get less rewards than you did before they were introduced.
You mean like when they added Map 6 and again when they added Map 7?
Yes exactly like that.
You're pretty special aren't ya?
As special as a person who tries to insult over the internet.
Look man, I'm not trying to get into more of a back and forth than has already happened. People who are willing to do more will get more that's just common sense. If you're not willing to do more then you will fall behind. You're not getting less for what you did people are just doing more to get more than what you're already getting. It's pretty simple
Don’t want to do back and forth, continually replies to my posts. My point still stands, a week ago 6x5 gave X rewards, now for doing the exact same content it gives less than X.
@Markjv81 numbers and proof to support this, would make the point not only valid but valuable to the community and too Kabam.
My alliance didn't see less rewards; we analyzed not going for multipliers as an OK option to sustain rewards. We eventually decided to go for it, and we actually did better in AQ with modifiers as it seems other alliances couldn't keep the pace. This is good from a complexity standpoint and to differentiate alliances in more appropriate ranks due to their strategies and capabilities to overcome the increased difficulty.
The second paragraph of your post pretty much proves the first, the fact that you went up in rank with modifiers means that others who usually rank higher than you went down because they didn’t do it.
But to fill your curiosity, this was our situation, Usually we score about 330 mil and rank top 250 map 6 all 5 days, this AQ we ran modifiers on days 2-5 (no option to choose on day 1), we scored 362 mil and ranked 241. Therefore its reasonable to assume that doing standard map 6 5 times would have had us rank outside the top 250, thus the less rewards for same content.
But to fill your curiosity, this was our situation, Usually we score about 330 mil and rank top 250 map 6 all 5 days, this AQ we ran modifiers on days 2-5 (no option to choose on day 1), we scored 362 mil and ranked 241. Therefore its reasonable to assume that doing standard map 6 5 times would have had us rank outside the top 250, thus the less rewards for same content.
So you DID do Modifiers, and got a higher score, and a better Rank, (and would have been even better if Day-1 had not been broken for your ally), and got more overall rewards because of it. Doesn’t look like the Modifiers prevented you from finishing your maps this week (?)
Think of it this way, in comparing it to recent AW enhancements (in higher tier wars)... AW recently added ability to set additional buffs on nodes. You are NOT REQUIRED to do so. But if you don’t, then your opponents would have an easier time than your ally, and would probably cost your ally valuable points and/or wins, and thus Season ranking too. Were you just as outraged in being forced to do extra AW difficulty just to keep up with others ?
Guess they could have just forcibly decided to add a bunch of these new Modifier Buffs onto different day's AQ maps, without any ability to choose for yourselves which ones you want to do. Guess that would have made it an even playing field. But they decided to give more flexibility and let ally's choose their own buffs.
These modifiers are a stupid system if you choose not to do them you now get less rewards than you did before they were introduced.
You mean like when they added Map 6 and again when they added Map 7?
Yes exactly like that.
You're pretty special aren't ya?
As special as a person who tries to insult over the internet.
Look man, I'm not trying to get into more of a back and forth than has already happened. People who are willing to do more will get more that's just common sense. If you're not willing to do more then you will fall behind. You're not getting less for what you did people are just doing more to get more than what you're already getting. It's pretty simple
Don’t want to do back and forth, continually replies to my posts. My point still stands, a week ago 6x5 gave X rewards, now for doing the exact same content it gives less than X.
@Markjv81 numbers and proof to support this, would make the point not only valid but valuable to the community and too Kabam.
My alliance didn't see less rewards; we analyzed not going for multipliers as an OK option to sustain rewards. We eventually decided to go for it, and we actually did better in AQ with modifiers as it seems other alliances couldn't keep the pace. This is good from a complexity standpoint and to differentiate alliances in more appropriate ranks due to their strategies and capabilities to overcome the increased difficulty.
The second paragraph of your post pretty much proves the first, the fact that you went up in rank with modifiers means that others who usually rank higher than you went down because they didn’t do it.
But to fill your curiosity, this was our situation, Usually we score about 330 mil and rank top 250 map 6 all 5 days, this AQ we ran modifiers on days 2-5 (no option to choose on day 1), we scored 362 mil and ranked 241. Therefore its reasonable to assume that doing standard map 6 5 times would have had us rank outside the top 250, thus the less rewards for same content.
@Markjv81 well it's the same map, but not same content. The modifiers are in it's definition, modifying the content. In summary, I guess this is just a matter of perspective. My alliance scored 226 with mods in maps 2-5 too; and we had fun with the added difficulty. It was a refresh and helps to move our from a comfort zone, without spendin more Gold, Battle Chips & Loyalty to try Map7.
Also you have to include the fact that your alliance got better or more rewards based on Honor Points, and you probably scored higher rank this time because some alliances tried the increased dificulty, but couldn't complete as our alliances did. Finally, I guess it's just a matter of looking at those T5B fragments that cna be earned for honor and determine if it's worth it for your alliance based on the difficulty.
@Kabam Miike@Kabam Lyra team, I as an example, have not yet claimed the 22,000 honor milestone and 11,000 honor milestone. Will it be fixed to ensure we get the 33,000 milestone reward (2700 T5B frags) as it should have been? Or what will proceed?
@Kabam Miike@Kabam Lyra team, I as an example, have not yet claimed the 22,000 honor milestone and 11,000 honor milestone. Will it be fixed to ensure we get the 33,000 milestone reward (2700 T5B frags) as it should have been? Or what will proceed?
Corrected Honor Rewards should have already been sent out. Other people (including myself) got them by at least yesterday. May have been in either 1 or 2 mail msgs overall.
And actually it looks like you received the additional higher Peak Milestone. Was the 12,000 Level the original reward, and they sent you the 21,000 corrected reward later ? Doesn’t appear like you actually hit 33,000. Or if you did, you’d have to send a Support Ticket to Kabam.
Note, my (at that time) unclaimed original (Lesser) Honor Reward had mysteriously changed to the higher amount without actually receiving a 2nd Mail msg When I claimed that revised higher amount then and later went to check Stash Reards for other things, there was still the original lower amount still in Stash as well (even though it no longer had the Mail msg attached to it because I claimed the only mail msg reward (the revised higher one)). So not sure why the original Lesser amount was still around (?), so I was able to claim that one as well. Just a little odd, but no big deal.
@Kabam Miike@Kabam Lyra team, I as an example, have not yet claimed the 22,000 honor milestone and 11,000 honor milestone. Will it be fixed to ensure we get the 33,000 milestone reward (2700 T5B frags) as it should have been? Or what will proceed?
Corrected Honor Rewards should have already been sent out. Other people (including myself) got them by at least yesterday. May have been in either 1 or 2 mail msgs overall.
And actually it looks like you received the additional higher Peak Milestone. Was the 12,000 Level the original reward, and they sent you the 21,000 corrected reward later ? Doesn’t appear like you actually hit 33,000. Or if you did, you’d have to send a Support Ticket to Kabam.
Note, my (at that time) unclaimed original (Lesser) Honor Reward had mysteriously changed to the higher amount without actually receiving a 2nd Mail msg When I claimed that revised higher amount then and later went to check Stash Reards for other things, there was still the original lower amount still in Stash as well (even though it no longer had the Mail msg attached to it because I claimed the only mail msg reward (the revised higher one)). So not sure why the original Lesser amount was still around (?), so I was able to claim that one as well. Just a little odd, but no big deal.
Well technically, what I'm getting is 2 peak milestone awards. One for 21,000 points, and then another for 12,000 points. But there should only be one Peak Milestone award, so it should be (based on the accumulated points) the 33,000 peak milestone reward.
I understand that due to this bug selecting modifiers, that was even addressed by ingame message today, potentially opens a scenario in which they can't "validate" how many real points we should have scored on day 1, and hence why 2 peak milestones were sent out. But in reality we would have completed the total of 33,000 for a map6 for 5 days and 5 unique modifiers each day.
For the moment, I will let this one go just because Kabam has actually communicated they are aware of the impact these issues made, and that they are working on avoiding them next time (whoich should be tomorrow). We can verify there, the system works and we start getting those T5 Basic Fragments
Where did Kabam say they can’t validate how many points ppl earned on day-1 ?? And I disagree with the assertion that your 33,000 Honor was divided up into 2 different rewards of 12,000 and 21,000 instead of the sum total of 33,000. Others who got their corrected amounts did indeed get their grand total highest Peak Milestone (regardless of whether they also may have been able to keep the preliminary incorrect lower Peak as well).
Now if you are instead saying that your's was one of the alliances who were not able to use Modifiers on some days (the Coming Soon problem), then that is basically what was included in overall Compensation to everyone. They weren’t gonna go and individually just give out extra high Honor/Bonus Points for each day to every alliance who didn’t even run the Modifiers. And so in that case, you probably did only reach the 21,000 Milestone with what days you were able to actually do the Modifiers. And then received general Compensation because of the various problems too.
Where did Kabam say they can’t validate how many points ppl earned on day-1 ?? And I disagree with the assertion that your 33,000 Honor was divided up into 2 different rewards of 12,000 and 21,000 instead of the sum total of 33,000. Others who got their corrected amounts did indeed get their grand total highest Peak Milestone (regardless of whether they also may have been able to keep the preliminary incorrect lower Peak as well).
Now if you are instead saying that your's was one of the alliances who were not able to use Modifiers on some days (the Coming Soon problem), then that is basically what was included in overall Compensation to everyone. They weren’t gonna go and individually just give out extra high Honor/Bonus Points for each day to every alliance who didn’t even run the Modifiers. And so in that case, you probably did only reach the 21,000 Milestone with what days you were able to actually do the Modifiers. And then received general Compensation because of the various problems too.
Sorry I took off some days without replying. Yes basically what you explored on the second paragraph is the situation. And because I am aware the effort it would take, it doesn't make sense to go down the road.
Onb this week, it seemed there were some calculation errors on day 2 and 3, but after AQ closed the numbers were updated and we got what we achieved. So we can fairly call this solved unless we see these calculation errors mid AQ appearing again; I will be on the look out just in case.
When Kabam introduced AQ Modifiers and Honor Milestones, they didn't say it would be Peak Milestones.
So, I was under assumption that if my alliance achieved 33000 scores, we should have T5B fragments and all the T2A, T4C, T4B fragments from previous milestones.
But we only got 2700 T5B fragments, nothing else.
If this is intended, I must say it's a bad design.
Because Master buffs are much more difficult than Heroic buffs. And the difference of Honor Rewards is only 2700 vs 1800 T5B fragments?!
The bonus points difference from Master and Heroic buffs are also insignificant, unless you are in Top 50 alliances.
Can any of Moderators please clarify if it's intended as Peak Milestones, or the system is bugged at the moment?
Anyone else having issues with their honor points not being calculated correctly? I run 655 AQ. Based on Kabams graphs running 5 heroic modifiers for each group should have giving us 26k points. We ran 4x heroic and master on day 5 and received only 24k. Does changing difficulty of modifier not carry over the multiplayer?
Anyone else having issues with their honor points not being calculated correctly? I run 655 AQ. Based on Kabams graphs running 5 heroic modifiers for each group should have giving us 26k points. We ran 4x heroic and master on day 5 and received only 24k. Does changing difficulty of modifier not carry over the multiplayer?
@Phantoms_Domain , actually 655 every day, using different Heroic modifier each day (same across all 3 BG's each day), is only supposed to give 24k. So switching to Master on day-5 (still 655) should have bumped it up 900 more, to 24,900. (also, assuming you Completed, ie defeated Thanos, whether or not 100%, in each BG each day).
But as to what it shows you in your “CLAIM PEAK MILESTONE” picture, that is showing you the Peak Milestone Level (not your actual points). You reached the 24k Milestone, but not the next higher one which would be at 27k. See earlier reply by @SiriusBreak in you other thread regarding that point,
And even if you miscalculated the Heroic-only to come out to 26k, doing Master last day would only have been 26,900, still short of 27k. Hope that helps.
Has anyone who has already Updated to Dec. game version looked yet to see if Modifier Points are projecting correctly now (during today's AQ) for BG3 as well as other groups ?
Will probably have to wait another month before the “History” button comes back (unless maybe they were able to squeeze that into this version ??) But would be nice to at least have Points displaying correctly, and hopefully no more “Coming Soon” issues for anyone also.
Has anyone who has already Updated to Dec. game version looked yet to see if Modifier Points are projecting correctly now (during today's AQ) for BG3 as well as other groups ?
Will probably have to wait another month before the “History” button comes back (unless maybe they were able to squeeze that into this version ??) But would be nice to at least have Points displaying correctly, and hopefully no more “Coming Soon” issues for anyone also.
So looking through this thread, not sure if anybody has a definitive answer, but say we run day 1-4 with unique heroic modifiers each day. On day 5, we decide to run a master modifier. Do we get the bonus points from the 1st master unique modifier or the bonus points from the 5th master unique modifier?
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The game has no obligation to give you the same rank in a competition if other players choose to do more than you.
For the vast majority of players, the system is fairly easy to use, and fairly easy to get more rewards out of for virtually zero extra effort. My alliance is fairly chill, doesn't do Map 6, only used Normal and Heroic modifiers, was locked out of the system on the first day, and we got enough bonus points to move up one tier on peak milestones AND moved up a bit in rank. And except for the officers that had to remember to turn them on, this cost the players in the alliance virtually nothing. I didn't see any evidence of a significant hardship being experienced.
Falling behind on rank rewards if you choose to ignore the system isn't stupid, it is what's supposed to happen. That's how competition works. But what's important is that across all players, we're getting more rewards. And it is only costing people more to get those rewards if they try to apply more modifiers than they can handle, which is entirely their choice.
Another alliance utilized an option to score higher than us just like other did with you apparently. I already gave you the options you have to try to get your rank back. If you and your alliance can't or are unwilling to do that, the alliances that are willing to do more will be rewarded for doing so. It's not rocket science
My alliance didn't see less rewards; we analyzed not going for multipliers as an OK option to sustain rewards. We eventually decided to go for it, and we actually did better in AQ with modifiers as it seems other alliances couldn't keep the pace. This is good from a complexity standpoint and to differentiate alliances in more appropriate ranks due to their strategies and capabilities to overcome the increased difficulty.
But to fill your curiosity, this was our situation,
Usually we score about 330 mil and rank top 250 map 6 all 5 days, this AQ we ran modifiers on days 2-5 (no option to choose on day 1), we scored 362 mil and ranked 241. Therefore its reasonable to assume that doing standard map 6 5 times would have had us rank outside the top 250, thus the less rewards for same content.
Think of it this way, in comparing it to recent AW enhancements (in higher tier wars)...
AW recently added ability to set additional buffs on nodes.
You are NOT REQUIRED to do so.
But if you don’t, then your opponents would have an easier time than your ally, and would probably cost your ally valuable points and/or wins, and thus Season ranking too.
Were you just as outraged in being forced to do extra AW difficulty just to keep up with others ?
Guess they could have just forcibly decided to add a bunch of these new Modifier Buffs onto different day's AQ maps, without any ability to choose for yourselves which ones you want to do.
Guess that would have made it an even playing field.
But they decided to give more flexibility and let ally's choose their own buffs.
Also you have to include the fact that your alliance got better or more rewards based on Honor Points, and you probably scored higher rank this time because some alliances tried the increased dificulty, but couldn't complete as our alliances did. Finally, I guess it's just a matter of looking at those T5B fragments that cna be earned for honor and determine if it's worth it for your alliance based on the difficulty.
And actually it looks like you received the additional higher Peak Milestone. Was the 12,000 Level the original reward, and they sent you the 21,000 corrected reward later ? Doesn’t appear like you actually hit 33,000. Or if you did, you’d have to send a Support Ticket to Kabam.
Note, my (at that time) unclaimed original (Lesser) Honor Reward had mysteriously changed to the higher amount without actually receiving a 2nd Mail msg When I claimed that revised higher amount then and later went to check Stash Reards for other things, there was still the original lower amount still in Stash as well (even though it no longer had the Mail msg attached to it because I claimed the only mail msg reward (the revised higher one)). So not sure why the original Lesser amount was still around (?), so I was able to claim that one as well. Just a little odd, but no big deal.
I understand that due to this bug selecting modifiers, that was even addressed by ingame message today, potentially opens a scenario in which they can't "validate" how many real points we should have scored on day 1, and hence why 2 peak milestones were sent out. But in reality we would have completed the total of 33,000 for a map6 for 5 days and 5 unique modifiers each day.
For the moment, I will let this one go just because Kabam has actually communicated they are aware of the impact these issues made, and that they are working on avoiding them next time (whoich should be tomorrow). We can verify there, the system works and we start getting those T5 Basic Fragments
And I disagree with the assertion that your 33,000 Honor was divided up into 2 different rewards of 12,000 and 21,000 instead of the sum total of 33,000.
Others who got their corrected amounts did indeed get their grand total highest Peak Milestone (regardless of whether they also may have been able to keep the preliminary incorrect lower Peak as well).
Now if you are instead saying that your's was one of the alliances who were not able to use Modifiers on some days (the Coming Soon problem), then that is basically what was included in overall Compensation to everyone. They weren’t gonna go and individually just give out extra high Honor/Bonus Points for each day to every alliance who didn’t even run the Modifiers.
And so in that case, you probably did only reach the 21,000 Milestone with what days you were able to actually do the Modifiers. And then received general Compensation because of the various problems too.
Onb this week, it seemed there were some calculation errors on day 2 and 3, but after AQ closed the numbers were updated and we got what we achieved. So we can fairly call this solved unless we see these calculation errors mid AQ appearing again; I will be on the look out just in case.
So, I was under assumption that if my alliance achieved 33000 scores, we should have T5B fragments and all the T2A, T4C, T4B fragments from previous milestones.
But we only got 2700 T5B fragments, nothing else.
If this is intended, I must say it's a bad design.
Because Master buffs are much more difficult than Heroic buffs. And the difference of Honor Rewards is only 2700 vs 1800 T5B fragments?!
The bonus points difference from Master and Heroic buffs are also insignificant, unless you are in Top 50 alliances.
Can any of Moderators please clarify if it's intended as Peak Milestones, or the system is bugged at the moment?
But as to what it shows you in your “CLAIM PEAK MILESTONE” picture, that is showing you the Peak Milestone Level (not your actual points). You reached the 24k Milestone, but not the next higher one which would be at 27k. See earlier reply by @SiriusBreak in you other thread regarding that point,
And even if you miscalculated the Heroic-only to come out to 26k, doing Master last day would only have been 26,900, still short of 27k. Hope that helps.
Will probably have to wait another month before the “History” button comes back (unless maybe they were able to squeeze that into this version ??) But would be nice to at least have Points displaying correctly, and hopefully no more “Coming Soon” issues for anyone also.