Silver Surfer - do you think he should be Chopping block for a update? Does surfer deserve justice?

ContestOfNoobs

So far champs that are suppose to be god tier in comics like sentry isnt prtrayed in Mcoc

but a minor villain in an Antman Movie is regarded as 1 of the best champions in the game?

torch and anihilus are up on the chopping block for a revamp.

There has been alot of debate on how surfer is via youtubers feedback and in general it is more negative than positive.

but someone as iconic as surfer and he is well known for having god like powers in the comics just doesnt translate in mcoc.

So far hes really behind the curve when compared to other cosmic champs than out perform him in almost every single way.

For a champion we know that is c

coming to mcoc since early this year, this build up and anticipation for end of 2019 is really underwhelming.

Hes coming this thursday and the only thing he will be changing is the prestige race...

issamaf80

lets do both silver surfer and sentry

RoninMan

I think he’s getting way too much hate and comparing him to Sentry is not even close to being accurate. People need to stop drinking the haterade.

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issamaf80

CodeOmega said:

@RoninMan apart from his prestige, he’s a very disappointing champion. Decent damage with okay immunities

hes not fully immune if the damage is enhanced he will still take it

Kabam Miike

We will analyze his Data like we have said we will do with Other Champions. We can't get into the habit of "Players wanted him to be better", but also need to make sure that he's not underperforming compared to other Champions.

Every Champion is somebody's favourite. We're not going to be able to hit the nail on the Head for All Champions, and never intentionally try to design one Champion to be more desirable than the next.

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issamaf80

Kabam Miike said:

We will analyze his Data like we have said we will do with Other Champions. We can't get into the habit of "Players wanted him to be better", but also need to make sure that he's not underperforming compared to other Champions.

Every Champion is somebody's favourite. We're not going to be able to hit the nail on the Head for All Champions, and never intentionally try to design one Champion to be more desirable than the next.

what about the forgotten sentry is he forgotten in your date too

RoninMan

CodeOmega said:

RoninMan apart from his prestige, he’s a very disappointing champion. Decent damage with okay immunities

He’s no Sentry though. He sets up fairly quickly and easily and has utility with power gain, resistances, vigilance, and unblockable. Aptitude, synergies, and extra energy damage is also nice too.

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RoninMan

Goodness said:

Kabam Miike said:

We will analyze his Data like we have said we will do with Other Champions. We can't get into the habit of "Players wanted him to be better", but also need to make sure that he's not underperforming compared to other Champions.

Every Champion is somebody's favourite. We're not going to be able to hit the nail on the Head for All Champions, and never intentionally try to design one Champion to be more desirable than the next.

“We don’t intentionally design one champ to be more desirable than the next”
Prestige champions would love to differ

Really? Tell me me who you would rather have, Thor (Rag) or Hyperion.

ContestOfNoobs

RoninMan said:

CodeOmega said:

RoninMan apart from his prestige, he’s a very disappointing champion. Decent damage with okay immunities

He’s no Sentry though. He sets up fairly quickly and easily and has utility with power gain, resistances, vigilance, and unblockable. Aptitude, synergies, and extra energy damage is also nice too.

what?
have u seen ANY content creator video on surfer? the compare him to rest of the champs release this year and champs in the cosmic class

heres a good one

https://youtu.be/PUF99C_dc3A

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GroundedWisdom

Goodness said:

Kabam Miike said:

We will analyze his Data like we have said we will do with Other Champions. We can't get into the habit of "Players wanted him to be better", but also need to make sure that he's not underperforming compared to other Champions.

Every Champion is somebody's favourite. We're not going to be able to hit the nail on the Head for All Champions, and never intentionally try to design one Champion to be more desirable than the next.

“We don’t intentionally design one champ to be more desirable than the next”
Prestige champions would love to differ

That's not a design intended to make Champs more desirable. That's an internal metric that affects AQ, which people chose to maximize Rewards with.

RoninMan

ContestOfNoobs said:

RoninMan said:

CodeOmega said:

RoninMan apart from his prestige, he’s a very disappointing champion. Decent damage with okay immunities

He’s no Sentry though. He sets up fairly quickly and easily and has utility with power gain, resistances, vigilance, and unblockable. Aptitude, synergies, and extra energy damage is also nice too.

what?
have u seen ANY content creator video on surfer? the compare him to rest of the champs release this year and champs in the cosmic class

heres a good one

https://youtu.be/PUF99C_dc3A

No I prefer to use my own judgment and experience to govern my thoughts and not be a sheep and rattle whatever drivel this week’s popular YouTuber says. I have first hand experience, do you? This is the problem is nobody wants to wait and judge for themselves. They see one or two videos and jump on the pitchfork bandwagon.

RoninMan

Goodness said:

RoninMan said:

Goodness said:

Kabam Miike said:

We will analyze his Data like we have said we will do with Other Champions. We can't get into the habit of "Players wanted him to be better", but also need to make sure that he's not underperforming compared to other Champions.

Every Champion is somebody's favourite. We're not going to be able to hit the nail on the Head for All Champions, and never intentionally try to design one Champion to be more desirable than the next.

“We don’t intentionally design one champ to be more desirable than the next”
Prestige champions would love to differ

Really? Tell me me who you would rather have, Thor (Rag) or Hyperion.

Tell my why someone would want Surfer then

His only niche is prestige people will grind for that alone especially for too Allie
Make a champ the highest prestige you’ll milk the heck out of MMXIV
It’s also very funny how doom was the 2 from the top and then immediately became 3 with surfer being 1 now

Prestige doesn’t make a champ more desirable. It might make a champ more appealing for some, but for the majority of the player base I think they’d rather have a champ that can get them through content, not prestige.

And what are you talking about for prestige? Doom was #1 until Surfer came along and now he’s #2. Big deal? Unless you are talking about 6* which aren’t even relevant for prestige for most right now. They have a huge range to add new champs in now and SS and Doom will probably be the top 2 for a while. Once again prestige may appeal to some players but I would say most players would rather invest in a champ like Ghost or Hyperion than Phoenix and Thor (Rag).

ContestOfNoobs

RoninMan said:

ContestOfNoobs said:

RoninMan said:

CodeOmega said:

RoninMan apart from his prestige, he’s a very disappointing champion. Decent damage with okay immunities

He’s no Sentry though. He sets up fairly quickly and easily and has utility with power gain, resistances, vigilance, and unblockable. Aptitude, synergies, and extra energy damage is also nice too.

what?
have u seen ANY content creator video on surfer? the compare him to rest of the champs release this year and champs in the cosmic class

heres a good one

https://youtu.be/PUF99C_dc3A

No I prefer to use my own judgment and experience to govern my thoughts and not be a sheep and rattle whatever drivel this week’s popular YouTuber says. I have first hand experience, do you? This is the problem is nobody wants to wait and judge for themselves. They see one or two videos and jump on the pitchfork bandwagon.

LOL first hand experience? ONLY way to get him is from the early bundles so far.

SO OFCOURSE my only judgement is all the youtube video that i have gathered from abunch of people, even my own allainces mates who pulled him arent impress EVEN all the people that i know who got him arent impress
(my alliance come from top 10AQ and a Master allaince in AW)

I would have gotten first hand experience if i had gotten "lucky" and pulled him from the bundles,
i know how champions work dude. but so far he HAS NOT proven to be worth the hype he has built up.

So make a video or point out why surfer is viable and lets see how many really agree with you.

So far that was a cocky response just cause u have him,

wheres your guide? response? feedback? videos? gameplay proof?

compared to other cosmic champs and champs with his immunities, he is not up there.

RoninMan

ContestOfNoobs said:

RoninMan said:

ContestOfNoobs said:

RoninMan said:

CodeOmega said:

RoninMan apart from his prestige, he’s a very disappointing champion. Decent damage with okay immunities

He’s no Sentry though. He sets up fairly quickly and easily and has utility with power gain, resistances, vigilance, and unblockable. Aptitude, synergies, and extra energy damage is also nice too.

what?
have u seen ANY content creator video on surfer? the compare him to rest of the champs release this year and champs in the cosmic class

heres a good one

https://youtu.be/PUF99C_dc3A

No I prefer to use my own judgment and experience to govern my thoughts and not be a sheep and rattle whatever drivel this week’s popular YouTuber says. I have first hand experience, do you? This is the problem is nobody wants to wait and judge for themselves. They see one or two videos and jump on the pitchfork bandwagon.

LOL first hand experience? ONLY way to get him is from the early bundles so far.

SO OFCOURSE my only judgement is all the youtube video that i have gathered from abunch of people, even my own allainces mates who pulled him arent impress EVEN all the people that i know who got him arent impress
(my alliance come from top 10AQ and a Master allaince in AW)

I would have gotten first hand experience if i had gotten "lucky" and pulled him from the bundles,
i know how champions work dude. but so far he HAS NOT proven to be worth the hype he has built up.

So make a video or point out why surfer is viable and lets see how many really agree with you.

So far that was a cocky response just cause u have him,

wheres your guide? response? feedback? videos? gameplay proof?

compared to other cosmic champs and champs with his immunities, he is not up there.

Your alliance is top 10 and a champ fails to impress you? Assuming your alliance is full of whales and has every champ I would say it would be damn near impossible for any new champ to impress a top 10 alliance aside from prestige.

Also what hype are you talking about? Show me where he was hyped or shown to be the best champ in the game or even this year. You can’t because any hype related to Surfer was all community generated. It’s not Kabam’s fault the community generated an unrealistic expectation for Surfer.

I didn’t have a cocky response, just said that I don’t rely on a video that was made the same day of his release as a be all end all evidence that Surfer sucks like everyone else is. He hasn’t even been out a week and everyone is saying how much he sucks which isn’t the case. I’m not a YouTuber or content creator so I don’t create videos and guides. I reserve my judgement on champs after I feel like I’ve had enough time to learn them and see what they can do unlike most of the members of the community. And sure since you want to comment with your snarky attitude about me creating a guide I’ll hop right on that for you 👍

Karatemike415

Kabam Miike said:

We will analyze his Data like we have said we will do with Other Champions. We can't get into the habit of "Players wanted him to be better", but also need to make sure that he's not underperforming compared to other Champions.

Every Champion is somebody's favourite. We're not going to be able to hit the nail on the Head for All Champions, and never intentionally try to design one Champion to be more desirable than the next.

His interaction with shock/coldsnap/incinerate debuffs should work the same for all damaging debuffs - this would A) Make him incredibly suicide friendly
Fix his damage output problem. (the problem is that there really isn't any...)

Please pass this along to the team.

Rockypantherx

I think the issue is with Silver Surfer is that he falls into that category of champs where they aren’t bad by any means, Surfer hits fairly hard and has some alright utility( miss counter, Havok counter, armour break), but he’s not doing anything the best. He’ll get you through some decent content but he has no specific use apart from prestige. Maybe if we see a havok with tunnel vision he’ll be amazing but that’s one fight. Prestige is pretty much his biggest asset.

In saying that, I would still be happy to pull one and be proved wrong

ContestOfNoobs

Like i said
"compared to other cosmic champs and champs with his immunities, he is not up there"

Lol so you already blaming the alliance as whales so ofcourse u already think its not possible for any champion to impress us, shows how much you know.

The hype? i am talking about 1 of the most known and favorited character in the marvel universe.

HE IS UP THERE in terms of how popular he is and what he means to alot of people compared to a champion like elsa and man thing who arent as popular.

I didnt even know who was Warlock and he turned out AMAZING for the game, yet i have no prior experience of knowing the character. MY TOP champ for 2019


Just like how magneto is up there and he is suppose to be 1 of the most powerful mutants, yet it doesnt translate to mcoc OMEGA RED and Domino compeltely ovetake him in the mutant class!

LOL you literally said

" I have first hand experience, do you? " and the only way to get him was to get lucky from the crystals LOL


so OFCOURSE if i had him i will know him better. I dont want to give up on him, BUT so far the verdict is that is
HE IS UNDERHWLEMING, Period

Ofcourse hes new, but since YOU, YES YOU, YOU HAVE HIM. SO use YOUR JUDGEMENT to let us know. your not a youtuber, but YOU have a voice and YOU have the champion.

So do something about it and let us know how good he is.

I LOVE SILVER SURFER as a charcater, but in the game he doesnt impress me.

please SHOW HIM HOW GOOD HE IS. YOU have him so DO SOMETHING with him, and to LET the community know that he is a good champion.

Zuko_ILC

Karatemike415 said:

Kabam Miike said:

We will analyze his Data like we have said we will do with Other Champions. We can't get into the habit of "Players wanted him to be better", but also need to make sure that he's not underperforming compared to other Champions.

Every Champion is somebody's favourite. We're not going to be able to hit the nail on the Head for All Champions, and never intentionally try to design one Champion to be more desirable than the next.

His interaction with shock/coldsnap/incinerate debuffs should work the same for all damaging debuffs - this would A) Make him incredibly suicide friendly
Fix his damage output problem. (the problem is that there really isn't any...)

Please pass this along to the team.

I would agree with this with poison and bleed. That small change would make him a very balanced champ, it allows suicides to be run on him and throw specials. It just sux to see champs hyped for over a year come out and just be prestige fodder.

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ContestOfNoobs

What utility?
the fact he is Coldsnap,Incinerate and Shock immune?

Other champs who are immune to those, do it better.

Havent seen anything yet, where using Surfer IS the answer to specific content to those immunities.


Ghost is amazing on
Freezer Burn (incinerate)
Shock paths
Coldnsap

simply by phasing back. but she isnt strong or known well in the comics, yet is 1 of the most op champs in the game.

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RoninMan

It’s pretty pointless to keep commenting on this thread when so many people are already so dead set against Surfer so this will probably be my last comment. He is a utility champ. He has resistances (with additional effects) against Coldsnap, incinerate, and shock. He has a 3 stack armor break on L1 that triggers regardless of if it lands (good against KM, Emma, IMIW, Ghost, etc), power gain, anti miss buff, unblockable, and phase buff. On top of that he can gain armor buffs to help with Havok, aptitude, and has some pretty nice synergies. Like I said, this thread isn’t really going anywhere so I’m out

NCB_pt

Sentinel should be one best of game.
Phoenix, Dr. Strange, Ronan or Juggernaut ..... All bad champions in this game.

ContestOfNoobs

1.Surfer’s immunities are not actual immunities: he simply takes 100% less damage from Shock, Coldsnap, and Incinerate debuffs. So if you get in a situation where a node is boosting that damage of the debuff, he will still take damage. Furthermore, since he’s not truly immune, he will take damage from passive effects such as the EMP Shock and Mephisto’s Aura of Incineration.

2.Only healing is via the Willpower mastery, and there are only a few situations where you can gain a Coldsnap, Incinerate, or Shock debuff without actually taking a hit in the process. Not a very sustainable champion.

3.Terrible for Buffet nodes and other situations where his buffs will be automatically removed.

4.Requires extensive synergies with other champions not well suited to endgame content to be at his best. Even fully ramped-up, the damage does not feel like it is worth the effort, and requires flawless play or it all falls apart.

5. Requires a high-end skill set to play, like Doctor Octopus or Ghost, but without the big payoff those champions provide. especially given how stacked the Cosmic class is with monsters such as Corvus Glaive, Captain Marvel Movie, Medusa, Venom the Duck, and Hyperion



only place i do see him excelling that
He is a valid option for Freezeburn; in fact, that is probably the best place to play him, as the debuffs increase his damage and if you’re running willpower,it will heal him.

He does have bit of utility, but it’s pretty niche at the moment. Freezerburn is one such place, but there are plenty of other champions such as Sunspot, Claire Voyant, Human Torch, Colossus, and Mephisto that can already handle Freezerburn and that Summoners have already ranked up. All of those champions have much more utility, and in many cases, are more sustainable, than Silver Surfer. When I’m looking at ranking up a champion, I want one that can solve problems. Other than prestige, Silver Surfer doesn’t solve many problems, and the ones he can solve, we already have better options for.

@UmbertoDelRio
@RoninMan

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Ultimatheory

Look at the final three 6.4 beta nodes being introduced. They all cater to Surfer owners

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