Nick Fury - Silent Nerf

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They are fixing it in the next patch

Yeah, that's not at all the issue in question here.

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NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE

It's life model decoy is considering a "healing ability" which is why Modoks sp1 can reverse it

I don't get it though. I understand the whole thanos interaction and whatnot but why ask for RDTs when NF has a ton a value in pretty much every other area of the game. Would you actually rank him down because of that 1 interaction in AQ?

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I don't get it though. I understand the whole thanos interaction and whatnot but why ask for RDTs when NF has a ton a value in pretty much every other area of the game. Would you actually rank him down because of that 1 interaction in AQ?
I agree regarding rdts, but why focus on that and not the actual issue here? Also the interaction will be more widespread anywhere this node appears since its essentially replacing heal block.

I haven't seen it anywhere else but map 6/7 AQ. They've had their chances with EQs and act 6. I feel like if we were going to see it, we would have already.

Gamer

I don't get it though. I understand the whole thanos interaction and whatnot but why ask for RDTs when NF has a ton a value in pretty much every other area of the game. Would you actually rank him down because of that 1 interaction in AQ?
I agree regarding rdts, but why focus on that and not the actual issue here? Also the interaction will be more widespread anywhere this node appears since its essentially replacing heal block.
I haven't seen it anywhere else but map 6/7 AQ. They've had their chances with EQs and act 6. I feel like if we were going to see it, we would have already.

Ther in act6 can u remember the red hulk in act6 chmaper 1 6.1.5. Crosbone.

I don't get it though. I understand the whole thanos interaction and whatnot but why ask for RDTs when NF has a ton a value in pretty much every other area of the game. Would you actually rank him down because of that 1 interaction in AQ?

Just think about the implications if this isn't addressed. They essentially created an ability for Fury that shouldn't exist nor is it described to exist anywhere (regeneration)and then decided to nerf said ability via node, despite the fact that his very description of his signature ability says it "isn't affected by ability accuracy reduction". They're literally contradicting themselves at every turn and if we have seen heal prevention here then you can guarantee it will manifest itself in other areas of the game going forward.

On top of all of that, at no time prior to implementation did they tell us that they were doing this. Shouldn't that have been communicated to the player base in a patch notes or something like that?

I don't get it though. I understand the whole thanos interaction and whatnot but why ask for RDTs when NF has a ton a value in pretty much every other area of the game. Would you actually rank him down because of that 1 interaction in AQ?
Just think about the implications if this isn't addressed. They essentially created an ability for Fury that shouldn't exist nor is it described to exist anywhere (regeneration)and then decided to nerf said ability via node, despite the fact that his very description of his signature ability says it "isn't affected by ability accuracy reduction". They're literally contradicting themselves at every turn and if we have seen heal prevention here then you can guarantee it will manifest itself in other areas of the game going forward.

On top of all of that, at no time prior to implementation did they tell us that they were doing this. Shouldn't that have been communicated to the player base in a patch notes or something like that?

Heal prevention doesn't have anything to do with AAR. The only real argument is that whether or not NF's LMD death is considered regeneration or not. He's the only one with that ability so far.

So is it worded wrong or the ability is wrong?

Most map 6 AQ bosses that I can remember have always had heal block. I've used champs like blade and Omega Red and neither have healed. Omega Red has life steal which technically might not be considered regen like what blade has but in the same sense, NF and OR are gaining health back.

And I'm not disagreeing with you in the NF thing, just that when you start throwing in RDTs for one of the most desirable champs in the game, it really dilutes the whole thing.

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Heal prevention doesn't have anything to do with AAR. The only real argument is that whether or not NF's LMD death is considered regeneration or not. He's the only one with that ability so far.

So is it worded wrong or the ability is wrong?

Most map 6 AQ bosses that I can remember have always had heal block. I've used champs like blade and Omega Red and neither have healed. Omega Red has life steal which technically might not be considered regen like what blade has but in the same sense, NF and OR are gaining health back.

And I'm not disagreeing with you in the NF thing, just that when you start throwing in RDTs for one of the most desirable champs in the game, it really dilutes the whole thing.

And yet She-Hulk was highly desired due to the Champion 6.2.6 fight before they "corrected" her and issued RDTs.

Even if you throw RDTs out the window, the fact remains that this champ was given an "ability" that was never mentioned (and that shouldn't exist since Fury wouldn't be taking damage if it's a decoy that's actually fighting, not Nick), then that ability is nerfed by a node that appears to have been surgically implemented just for him, a change that was never communicated to the community. None of that is acceptable. To make it worse, the responses from Kabam in the prior thread were... lacking to say the least.

Fact is Fury shouldn't be regenerating at all. He should hot swap out his decoy for a full health champ when the decoy is destroyed (think any team fighting game like Marvel v Capcom where you have multiple characters with unique health pools), but rather than do it right they play mental gymnastics to rationalize something that is beyond logic.

GroundedWisdom

In Shulk's case, it was a bug, and they made an exception because of the amount of people who were Ranking her in droves specifically for that, and the surprise of the issue/little heads up.

I don't get it though. I understand the whole thanos interaction and whatnot but why ask for RDTs when NF has a ton a value in pretty much every other area of the game. Would you actually rank him down because of that 1 interaction in AQ?
I agree regarding rdts, but why focus on that and not the actual issue here? Also the interaction will be more widespread anywhere this node appears since its essentially replacing heal block.
I haven't seen it anywhere else but map 6/7 AQ. They've had their chances with EQs and act 6. I feel like if we were going to see it, we would have already.
It was just introduced an update ago so I dont follow the logic that if we were going to see it elsewhere we would have already. But all that is beside the actual point here, Nick Fury doesn't "heal", as per his description his LMD is destroyed and the real Nick Fury takes its place. Not only should this interaction not be prevented by a node that prevents healing, the node was entirely tailored to stop his sig. As you outlined in your other post, champs that heal were already stopped from healing by the heal block node. Do you not see anything wrong here?

Dalbot's original post was on October 3rd. It's 2 months later. We've had a couple EQ's, side quests, 6.3 and V4. Plenty of opportunities to implement it. But if I recall, the node was changed in September.

Again, I'm not saying I don't see what's wrong, just that the focus should only be on that and only trying to figure out why. I agree that there is something wrong.

If his LMD isn't regen, then what is it? If it isn't something passive, what category does it fall under?

I feel like NF's Sig was overlooked when it came to AQ when he was being designed. I'd be willing to be they didn't test it against heal block and only found after his release. They do need to explain why they're doing what they're doing.

Kenny292

I agree that NF shouldn’t be affected by Heal Prevention because he’s not actually supposed to be regenerating, but swapping out with his LMD.

However, those saying that Heal Prevention was introduced solely to counter NF’s sig ability are wrong in that sense. Heal Block only works on regen with an actual buff, Sabretooth’s passive regen being an exception because his sig is worded for heal block to work against him. That meant Rulk sp2, Namor’s specials, OR’s life steal, Guilly’s life steal weren’t affected by Heal Block. That’s at least the ones I can think of so far. The point is NF isn’t the ONLY champ affected by the change from Heal Block to Heal Prevention.

solopolo

So, did you only rank up fury to fight one node, just like you only ranked up wasp to bypass stun immune nodes? Lol.

Fury is still by far one of the best champs in the game and this doesn't at all affect his position as a god tier skill. People will still be ranking him up and making full use of him. You don't need tickets.

I don't see why you're even brining up ability accuracy, as this has nothing to do with heal prevention, which doesn't affect ability accuracy, it simply makes regeneration impossible, which fury's sig does.

The change doesn't even affect him much. He only needs to revive once in a quest, so unless you're choosing a heal prevention fight to trigger his sig, this doesn't affect his gameplay. At worst he's now ideal for slightly fewer fights.

Champions aren't supposed to be able to win any fight just because they're god tier. If fury can't deal with a specific path, pick another champ, or pick another path. Stop crying about NuRfS. Is fury your entire roster?

arsjum

I believe heal prevention affects other champions besides NF. Blade with DS could bypass heal block, he can't bypass heal prevention.

I agree though that the node seems to be specifically targeting NF.

So, did you only rank up fury to fight one node, just like you only ranked up wasp to bypass stun immune nodes? Lol.

Fury is still by far one of the best champs in the game and this doesn't at all affect his position as a god tier skill. People will still be ranking him up and making full use of him. You don't need tickets.

I don't see why you're even brining up ability accuracy, as this has nothing to do with heal prevention, which doesn't affect ability accuracy, it simply makes regeneration impossible, which fury's sig does.

The change doesn't even affect him much. He only needs to revive once in a quest, so unless you're choosing a heal prevention fight to trigger his sig, this doesn't affect his gameplay. At worst he's now ideal for slightly fewer fights.

Champions aren't supposed to be able to win any fight just because they're god tier. If fury can't deal with a specific path, pick another champ, or pick another path. Stop crying about NuRfS. Is fury your entire roster?

So just ignore all the valid points because you want to make a post about hating on people with legitimate gripes?

Cool.

How about maybe reviewing all of then inherent issues I brought up and maybe adding something constructive to the conversation 🤷🏻‍♂️

Cliffordcan

I don’t have NF, but I agree that this is messed up.

solopolo

So just ignore all the valid points because you want to make a post about hating on people with legitimate gripes?

Cool.

How about maybe reviewing all of then inherent issues I brought up and maybe adding something constructive to the conversation 🤷🏻‍♂️

@DalBot You say as you ignore every word in my post.

Cool.

The only "inherent issues" you brought up are TaRgEtEd NeRf OmG (which is, by the way, completely false, this was targeted at adrenaline bypassing heal block. Fury just so happened to be caught in the crossfire), the completely irrelevant fact that fury is unaffected by ability accuracy, which has nothing to do with the new node.

The use of flavour text to try to say that his regeneration isn't actually regeneration, which, as far as his code goes, it is, and reworking him to not have to regenerate to "transform" simply wouldn't be worth the hassle.

Bringing up Kabam not properly responding to the heal prevention interaction, which they did in the very thread you posted, twice, even breaking it down for you in one of them:

Fury not being announced as "not working as intended", which, again in the thread you posted, they explained that the heal block node wasn't working as intended, and not preventing all the heal it should be, which by default includes fury, who heals.

Anything else I missed?

Worknprogress

So, did you only rank up fury to fight one node, just like you only ranked up wasp to bypass stun immune nodes? Lol.

Fury is still by far one of the best champs in the game and this doesn't at all affect his position as a god tier skill. People will still be ranking him up and making full use of him. You don't need tickets.

I don't see why you're even brining up ability accuracy, as this has nothing to do with heal prevention, which doesn't affect ability accuracy, it simply makes regeneration impossible, which fury's sig does.

The change doesn't even affect him much. He only needs to revive once in a quest, so unless you're choosing a heal prevention fight to trigger his sig, this doesn't affect his gameplay. At worst he's now ideal for slightly fewer fights.

Champions aren't supposed to be able to win any fight just because they're god tier. If fury can't deal with a specific path, pick another champ, or pick another path. Stop crying about NuRfS. Is fury your entire roster?

I don't think that should matter personally. I'd never even for a second consider ranking him down and I use him in AQ every version we have Do You Bleed along with tons of other places. How that node affects him is huge for that Thanos fight though. You now HAVE to kill off LMD before going into the Thanos fight which is super cheap of them in my opinion.

Just because I personally wouldn't dream of ranking him down doesn't mean it's not a fairly large issue for some people though and there's really no reason that node should affect him going solely based on his ability description. I understand it does bc of how his ability has to be coded and built into the game but that's not really the point though. If heal block doesn't affect him then there's zero reason that heal prevention should either.

The fact that this is also the 2nd time he's been clipped since he's been released makes it even worse. His restoration kit synergy was changed after release to not affect both suicide debuffs right after his release even though nothing was mentioned when multiple people in the CCP highlighted the ability in videos prior to release. Nothing was even said about it until after plenty of people had grinded arena or opened crystals for him almost solely for that one purpose

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Point is, description might be misleading, but it is intended for him to regenerate the HP back.

Saransh245

@DalBot I'm with you on this.

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE

Btw we really need to discuss the difference between a counter and a nerf

dot_ditto

reminds me of CAIW ... and now every new champ using unstoppable, is always passive to prevent CAIW from being a counter to them .. LOL

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