How is it possible that SQUIRREL GIRL hits harder than Nova, THE HUMAN ROCKET?

DNA3000

Markjv81 said:

DNA3000 said:

Markjv81 said:

Kabam Miike said:

issamaf80 said:

Agentk said:

issamaf80 said:

how in the hell is she better then Nova/Sentry/silver surfer/RedSkull and why in the world does one of the 2 champ released on January has to be always trash Sentry/Diablo now Nova

Squirrel girl has beaten thanos she’s hardly a pushover

yeah she beat a thanos clone not the real one

Pretty sure it was the real one, and that the Watcher straight up says that it was not a clone.

Real or not that’s hardly an excuse for her being more powerful than other specific champs, otherwise I assume drax and deadpool will be getting buffed pretty soon then?

This is an interesting line of thought. Apparently being told the game doesn't honor your personal preferences on champion power leads you to the conclusion that the game should honor your other personal preferences on champion power.

I don't think you understand what's even happening here. Kabam isn't - and has no obligation to - try to prove that the comic books logically define how the character should appear in the game. Most comic book characters have a huge range of stories that depict them in different ways and Squirrel Girl is no exception. MCOC takes inspiration from the comic book sources, but inevitably that inspiration comes from a subset of the totality of the characters' existence.

Which means they can show inspiration references, but you can't pick any one story and say that because of this one story Drax or Deadpool should be this or that in the game. The game has no obligation to pick your references as the basis for the champions.

This pretty much the exact point of my post.
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Cliffordcan

Proxima was overhyped then hype dropped dramatically. Corvus was the most underrated. His first round of 5* went for 13 mil, lol

Apocalypse189

All champions released do NOT have to specifically be a god tier, most champions have Abilities that help out in different ways but not all of them need to be a Damage specialist or utility worker. They all help out in unique ways no matter how hyped up or desirable they are

Apocalypse189

How is it possible that were still having this conversation in 2020?

Superchampion_

RazorDevil said:

Were the people complaining about Diablo wrong? Or about Silver Surfer? Don't get me wrong, Surfer is ok, but he is far from the power level of Hyperion, a 2017 champion. And so is Nova. But I wish and I actually mean it I WISH I am wrong.

Well first Hyperion came out in 2016. Second, people also complained about doom, warlock, Corvus and Clair Voyant. Those people were wrong. This doesn’t mean that everyone’s criticism is always wrong but you have to be fair to new champs. Give it some time and see what they can do. Nova may suck on attack or he can turn out pretty good. We have to wait and see

Colonaut123

BigPoppaCBONE said:

DNA3000 said:

Tehsigzorz said:

DNA3000 said:

RazorDevil said:

Were the people complaining about Diablo wrong? Or about Silver Surfer?

People initially underrated Ghost, significantly underrated Invisible Woman, significantly underrated Proxima Midnight. People have sometimes although less often overrated champs as well: Sabretooth comes to mind, at least in my opinion.

Probably the absolute objectively worst miss in history was Magik's revamp. Not only was she undervalued initially, she was actually considered worse than she started off as until quite a bit later, when power control became more generally accepted as a valuable game mechanic.

I think the majority got it wrong on Venom when he was updated, although that opinion has been steadily reversing over time. Venom is the most recent example of an initial opinion being one thing and then slowly but dramatically changing incrementally over time as more people get experience playing him. So it does happen.

Dont know about ghost but proxima was superhyped up cuz everyone thought they can get 500k dmg every fight. Invisible woman is neither underrated nor overrated, what she does a lot of other champs can do better with less risk and less skill. Also I was here when venom got buffed, he most def wasnt underrated at the time.

Proxima is hyped *now*. Initially, and for a while after release people complained that because she couldn't carry charges like Corvus she was practically worthless. The people pointing to her special damage were in the vanishingly small minority until significantly after release.

Invisible Woman was extremely underrated at release, specifically due to the perception she did anemic damage. I practically read every single post about her, as I pulled her early and was studying her as a candidate for the community boss challenge.

As to Venom, the average evaluation was that both he and Carnage would be more useful than before but there was no agreement that he was extremely strong. Not only was he underrated at release (of the update), he's still underrated *now*. And very specifically, when both Venom and Carnage were first updated, there was significant debate about which one was better after the buff: there was a strong argument that Carnage got the much better damage buff while Venom got the better utility.

I remember the Proxima videos hyping her to the moon showing the gaudy damage she could get on Winter Soldier. In my crowd, people felt like they were misled since she had to ponderously build to that damage and it was not worth the chase outside of RoL.

Can’t speak to IW. I never cared enough about her to follow her trajectory.

Venom is properly rated to me. He’s had his cheerleaders and the Variant content only helped his shine. Carnage did get the better damage buff and is still underrated as a damage dealer.

I concur with @DNA3000 on Venom: he's vastly superior to Carnage. He doesn't need his sig, ready access to his buffs in no time, regen with nullify, insane DoT, armor up for Havok, high base stats, anti-evade, armor break, insane SP2, true strike and unblockable sp's in assassin range ...

He's at least as good as Medusa and Hyperion. He lacks immunities, yes.

Nojokejaym

Colonaut123 said:

BigPoppaCBONE said:

DNA3000 said:

Tehsigzorz said:

DNA3000 said:

RazorDevil said:

Were the people complaining about Diablo wrong? Or about Silver Surfer?

People initially underrated Ghost, significantly underrated Invisible Woman, significantly underrated Proxima Midnight. People have sometimes although less often overrated champs as well: Sabretooth comes to mind, at least in my opinion.

Probably the absolute objectively worst miss in history was Magik's revamp. Not only was she undervalued initially, she was actually considered worse than she started off as until quite a bit later, when power control became more generally accepted as a valuable game mechanic.

I think the majority got it wrong on Venom when he was updated, although that opinion has been steadily reversing over time. Venom is the most recent example of an initial opinion being one thing and then slowly but dramatically changing incrementally over time as more people get experience playing him. So it does happen.

Dont know about ghost but proxima was superhyped up cuz everyone thought they can get 500k dmg every fight. Invisible woman is neither underrated nor overrated, what she does a lot of other champs can do better with less risk and less skill. Also I was here when venom got buffed, he most def wasnt underrated at the time.

Proxima is hyped *now*. Initially, and for a while after release people complained that because she couldn't carry charges like Corvus she was practically worthless. The people pointing to her special damage were in the vanishingly small minority until significantly after release.

Invisible Woman was extremely underrated at release, specifically due to the perception she did anemic damage. I practically read every single post about her, as I pulled her early and was studying her as a candidate for the community boss challenge.

As to Venom, the average evaluation was that both he and Carnage would be more useful than before but there was no agreement that he was extremely strong. Not only was he underrated at release (of the update), he's still underrated *now*. And very specifically, when both Venom and Carnage were first updated, there was significant debate about which one was better after the buff: there was a strong argument that Carnage got the much better damage buff while Venom got the better utility.

I remember the Proxima videos hyping her to the moon showing the gaudy damage she could get on Winter Soldier. In my crowd, people felt like they were misled since she had to ponderously build to that damage and it was not worth the chase outside of RoL.

Can’t speak to IW. I never cared enough about her to follow her trajectory.

Venom is properly rated to me. He’s had his cheerleaders and the Variant content only helped his shine. Carnage did get the better damage buff and is still underrated as a damage dealer.

I concur with @DNA3000 on Venom: he's vastly superior to Carnage. He doesn't need his sig, ready access to his buffs in no time, regen with nullify, insane DoT, armor up for Havok, high base stats, anti-evade, armor break, insane SP2, true strike and unblockable sp's in assassin range ...

He's at least as good as Medusa and Hyperion. He lacks immunities, yes.

Woo he’s good but not as good as Hyperion

Colonaut123

Nojokejaym said:

Colonaut123 said:

BigPoppaCBONE said:

DNA3000 said:

Tehsigzorz said:

DNA3000 said:

RazorDevil said:

Were the people complaining about Diablo wrong? Or about Silver Surfer?

People initially underrated Ghost, significantly underrated Invisible Woman, significantly underrated Proxima Midnight. People have sometimes although less often overrated champs as well: Sabretooth comes to mind, at least in my opinion.

Probably the absolute objectively worst miss in history was Magik's revamp. Not only was she undervalued initially, she was actually considered worse than she started off as until quite a bit later, when power control became more generally accepted as a valuable game mechanic.

I think the majority got it wrong on Venom when he was updated, although that opinion has been steadily reversing over time. Venom is the most recent example of an initial opinion being one thing and then slowly but dramatically changing incrementally over time as more people get experience playing him. So it does happen.

Dont know about ghost but proxima was superhyped up cuz everyone thought they can get 500k dmg every fight. Invisible woman is neither underrated nor overrated, what she does a lot of other champs can do better with less risk and less skill. Also I was here when venom got buffed, he most def wasnt underrated at the time.

Proxima is hyped *now*. Initially, and for a while after release people complained that because she couldn't carry charges like Corvus she was practically worthless. The people pointing to her special damage were in the vanishingly small minority until significantly after release.

Invisible Woman was extremely underrated at release, specifically due to the perception she did anemic damage. I practically read every single post about her, as I pulled her early and was studying her as a candidate for the community boss challenge.

As to Venom, the average evaluation was that both he and Carnage would be more useful than before but there was no agreement that he was extremely strong. Not only was he underrated at release (of the update), he's still underrated *now*. And very specifically, when both Venom and Carnage were first updated, there was significant debate about which one was better after the buff: there was a strong argument that Carnage got the much better damage buff while Venom got the better utility.

I remember the Proxima videos hyping her to the moon showing the gaudy damage she could get on Winter Soldier. In my crowd, people felt like they were misled since she had to ponderously build to that damage and it was not worth the chase outside of RoL.

Can’t speak to IW. I never cared enough about her to follow her trajectory.

Venom is properly rated to me. He’s had his cheerleaders and the Variant content only helped his shine. Carnage did get the better damage buff and is still underrated as a damage dealer.

I concur with @DNA3000 on Venom: he's vastly superior to Carnage. He doesn't need his sig, ready access to his buffs in no time, regen with nullify, insane DoT, armor up for Havok, high base stats, anti-evade, armor break, insane SP2, true strike and unblockable sp's in assassin range ...

He's at least as good as Medusa and Hyperion. He lacks immunities, yes.

Woo he’s good but not as good as Hyperion

Hyperion is only good because he can hit hard. Venom can hit pretty hard as well but with a lot more utility.

Whododo872

Nojokejaym said:

Colonaut123 said:

BigPoppaCBONE said:

DNA3000 said:

Tehsigzorz said:

DNA3000 said:

RazorDevil said:

Were the people complaining about Diablo wrong? Or about Silver Surfer?

People initially underrated Ghost, significantly underrated Invisible Woman, significantly underrated Proxima Midnight. People have sometimes although less often overrated champs as well: Sabretooth comes to mind, at least in my opinion.

Probably the absolute objectively worst miss in history was Magik's revamp. Not only was she undervalued initially, she was actually considered worse than she started off as until quite a bit later, when power control became more generally accepted as a valuable game mechanic.

I think the majority got it wrong on Venom when he was updated, although that opinion has been steadily reversing over time. Venom is the most recent example of an initial opinion being one thing and then slowly but dramatically changing incrementally over time as more people get experience playing him. So it does happen.

Dont know about ghost but proxima was superhyped up cuz everyone thought they can get 500k dmg every fight. Invisible woman is neither underrated nor overrated, what she does a lot of other champs can do better with less risk and less skill. Also I was here when venom got buffed, he most def wasnt underrated at the time.

Proxima is hyped *now*. Initially, and for a while after release people complained that because she couldn't carry charges like Corvus she was practically worthless. The people pointing to her special damage were in the vanishingly small minority until significantly after release.

Invisible Woman was extremely underrated at release, specifically due to the perception she did anemic damage. I practically read every single post about her, as I pulled her early and was studying her as a candidate for the community boss challenge.

As to Venom, the average evaluation was that both he and Carnage would be more useful than before but there was no agreement that he was extremely strong. Not only was he underrated at release (of the update), he's still underrated *now*. And very specifically, when both Venom and Carnage were first updated, there was significant debate about which one was better after the buff: there was a strong argument that Carnage got the much better damage buff while Venom got the better utility.

I remember the Proxima videos hyping her to the moon showing the gaudy damage she could get on Winter Soldier. In my crowd, people felt like they were misled since she had to ponderously build to that damage and it was not worth the chase outside of RoL.

Can’t speak to IW. I never cared enough about her to follow her trajectory.

Venom is properly rated to me. He’s had his cheerleaders and the Variant content only helped his shine. Carnage did get the better damage buff and is still underrated as a damage dealer.

I concur with @DNA3000 on Venom: he's vastly superior to Carnage. He doesn't need his sig, ready access to his buffs in no time, regen with nullify, insane DoT, armor up for Havok, high base stats, anti-evade, armor break, insane SP2, true strike and unblockable sp's in assassin range ...

He's at least as good as Medusa and Hyperion. He lacks immunities, yes.

Woo he’s good but not as good as Hyperion

I disagree. Venom, though he can’t hit quite as hard, can do basically everything hype can do but better (immunities of course withholding)

Alvin69

Colonaut123 said:

Nojokejaym said:

Colonaut123 said:

BigPoppaCBONE said:

DNA3000 said:

Tehsigzorz said:

DNA3000 said:

RazorDevil said:

Were the people complaining about Diablo wrong? Or about Silver Surfer?

People initially underrated Ghost, significantly underrated Invisible Woman, significantly underrated Proxima Midnight. People have sometimes although less often overrated champs as well: Sabretooth comes to mind, at least in my opinion.

Probably the absolute objectively worst miss in history was Magik's revamp. Not only was she undervalued initially, she was actually considered worse than she started off as until quite a bit later, when power control became more generally accepted as a valuable game mechanic.

I think the majority got it wrong on Venom when he was updated, although that opinion has been steadily reversing over time. Venom is the most recent example of an initial opinion being one thing and then slowly but dramatically changing incrementally over time as more people get experience playing him. So it does happen.

Dont know about ghost but proxima was superhyped up cuz everyone thought they can get 500k dmg every fight. Invisible woman is neither underrated nor overrated, what she does a lot of other champs can do better with less risk and less skill. Also I was here when venom got buffed, he most def wasnt underrated at the time.

Proxima is hyped *now*. Initially, and for a while after release people complained that because she couldn't carry charges like Corvus she was practically worthless. The people pointing to her special damage were in the vanishingly small minority until significantly after release.

Invisible Woman was extremely underrated at release, specifically due to the perception she did anemic damage. I practically read every single post about her, as I pulled her early and was studying her as a candidate for the community boss challenge.

As to Venom, the average evaluation was that both he and Carnage would be more useful than before but there was no agreement that he was extremely strong. Not only was he underrated at release (of the update), he's still underrated *now*. And very specifically, when both Venom and Carnage were first updated, there was significant debate about which one was better after the buff: there was a strong argument that Carnage got the much better damage buff while Venom got the better utility.

I remember the Proxima videos hyping her to the moon showing the gaudy damage she could get on Winter Soldier. In my crowd, people felt like they were misled since she had to ponderously build to that damage and it was not worth the chase outside of RoL.

Can’t speak to IW. I never cared enough about her to follow her trajectory.

Venom is properly rated to me. He’s had his cheerleaders and the Variant content only helped his shine. Carnage did get the better damage buff and is still underrated as a damage dealer.

I concur with @DNA3000 on Venom: he's vastly superior to Carnage. He doesn't need his sig, ready access to his buffs in no time, regen with nullify, insane DoT, armor up for Havok, high base stats, anti-evade, armor break, insane SP2, true strike and unblockable sp's in assassin range ...

He's at least as good as Medusa and Hyperion. He lacks immunities, yes.

Woo he’s good but not as good as Hyperion

Hyperion is only good because he can hit hard. Venom can hit pretty hard as well but with a lot more utility.

I think it's unfair to say that hyperion is only good because he can hit hard. Theres a reason why he's popular. He has a very good power gain, can access regeneration (although it does come at a cost), he can access furies, has poison immunity, can access DOT with SP1. He is still a cosmic powerhouse, and is useful in lots of content.

ESF

My comment is this: Why is creating a character to be a good defender even a thing, when we know there are plenty of people who are either solo players or in casual alliances and don't even play war?

This conversation is long overdue, in my book -- I truly enjoy this game and think it has the potential to be even better, but when we accept these narratives like "Well, this character's coded DPS and coded abilities are better than this one because of a game mode that not everyone plays," or "well, the source material is important until the character is coded differently, then it doesn't matter", to me it truly hurts this game and the characters

DNA3000

Alvin69 said:

Colonaut123 said:

Nojokejaym said:

Colonaut123 said:

BigPoppaCBONE said:

DNA3000 said:

Tehsigzorz said:

DNA3000 said:

RazorDevil said:

Were the people complaining about Diablo wrong? Or about Silver Surfer?

People initially underrated Ghost, significantly underrated Invisible Woman, significantly underrated Proxima Midnight. People have sometimes although less often overrated champs as well: Sabretooth comes to mind, at least in my opinion.

Probably the absolute objectively worst miss in history was Magik's revamp. Not only was she undervalued initially, she was actually considered worse than she started off as until quite a bit later, when power control became more generally accepted as a valuable game mechanic.

I think the majority got it wrong on Venom when he was updated, although that opinion has been steadily reversing over time. Venom is the most recent example of an initial opinion being one thing and then slowly but dramatically changing incrementally over time as more people get experience playing him. So it does happen.

Dont know about ghost but proxima was superhyped up cuz everyone thought they can get 500k dmg every fight. Invisible woman is neither underrated nor overrated, what she does a lot of other champs can do better with less risk and less skill. Also I was here when venom got buffed, he most def wasnt underrated at the time.

Proxima is hyped *now*. Initially, and for a while after release people complained that because she couldn't carry charges like Corvus she was practically worthless. The people pointing to her special damage were in the vanishingly small minority until significantly after release.

Invisible Woman was extremely underrated at release, specifically due to the perception she did anemic damage. I practically read every single post about her, as I pulled her early and was studying her as a candidate for the community boss challenge.

As to Venom, the average evaluation was that both he and Carnage would be more useful than before but there was no agreement that he was extremely strong. Not only was he underrated at release (of the update), he's still underrated *now*. And very specifically, when both Venom and Carnage were first updated, there was significant debate about which one was better after the buff: there was a strong argument that Carnage got the much better damage buff while Venom got the better utility.

I remember the Proxima videos hyping her to the moon showing the gaudy damage she could get on Winter Soldier. In my crowd, people felt like they were misled since she had to ponderously build to that damage and it was not worth the chase outside of RoL.

Can’t speak to IW. I never cared enough about her to follow her trajectory.

Venom is properly rated to me. He’s had his cheerleaders and the Variant content only helped his shine. Carnage did get the better damage buff and is still underrated as a damage dealer.

I concur with @DNA3000 on Venom: he's vastly superior to Carnage. He doesn't need his sig, ready access to his buffs in no time, regen with nullify, insane DoT, armor up for Havok, high base stats, anti-evade, armor break, insane SP2, true strike and unblockable sp's in assassin range ...

He's at least as good as Medusa and Hyperion. He lacks immunities, yes.

Woo he’s good but not as good as Hyperion

Hyperion is only good because he can hit hard. Venom can hit pretty hard as well but with a lot more utility.

I think it's unfair to say that hyperion is only good because he can hit hard. Theres a reason why he's popular. He has a very good power gain, can access regeneration (although it does come at a cost), he can access furies, has poison immunity, can access DOT with SP1. He is still a cosmic powerhouse, and is useful in lots of content.

I agree Hyperion is more than just hitting hard: his increased power gain is useful and his heal is sometimes useful, although it is probably the lowest possible utility heal that is useful at all. I have them both at rank 5, and I use them both, and I even ranked Hyperion first, but having used both for a while now if I had to rank down one of them it would be Hyperion.

Hyperion is good, in fact he's much better than most champions, but he isn't often the answer to a particularly difficult problem. Venom is the answer to a lot of interesting in-game problems, and if anything that utility seems to be getting more valuable over time as Kabam makes more complex champions to fight. Venom is very good against champions like The Champion, Havok, and Warlock, all champions that were added to the game after Venom was updated. And I see no end to the trend of champions being added that either rely on buffs to make interesting problems for the player or require certain buffs to avoid problems. Nullify is the new Power Control in that respect.

Apocalypse189

Cliffordcan said:

Proxima was overhyped then hype dropped dramatically. Corvus was the most underrated. His first round of 5* went for 13 mil, lol

Now look at ol' glaive swinger. Defeating heroes and villains alike
. Even evil clones of himself

Alvin69

DNA3000 said:

Alvin69 said:

Colonaut123 said:

Nojokejaym said:

Colonaut123 said:

BigPoppaCBONE said:

DNA3000 said:

Tehsigzorz said:

DNA3000 said:

RazorDevil said:

Were the people complaining about Diablo wrong? Or about Silver Surfer?

People initially underrated Ghost, significantly underrated Invisible Woman, significantly underrated Proxima Midnight. People have sometimes although less often overrated champs as well: Sabretooth comes to mind, at least in my opinion.

Probably the absolute objectively worst miss in history was Magik's revamp. Not only was she undervalued initially, she was actually considered worse than she started off as until quite a bit later, when power control became more generally accepted as a valuable game mechanic.

I think the majority got it wrong on Venom when he was updated, although that opinion has been steadily reversing over time. Venom is the most recent example of an initial opinion being one thing and then slowly but dramatically changing incrementally over time as more people get experience playing him. So it does happen.

Dont know about ghost but proxima was superhyped up cuz everyone thought they can get 500k dmg every fight. Invisible woman is neither underrated nor overrated, what she does a lot of other champs can do better with less risk and less skill. Also I was here when venom got buffed, he most def wasnt underrated at the time.

Proxima is hyped *now*. Initially, and for a while after release people complained that because she couldn't carry charges like Corvus she was practically worthless. The people pointing to her special damage were in the vanishingly small minority until significantly after release.

Invisible Woman was extremely underrated at release, specifically due to the perception she did anemic damage. I practically read every single post about her, as I pulled her early and was studying her as a candidate for the community boss challenge.

As to Venom, the average evaluation was that both he and Carnage would be more useful than before but there was no agreement that he was extremely strong. Not only was he underrated at release (of the update), he's still underrated *now*. And very specifically, when both Venom and Carnage were first updated, there was significant debate about which one was better after the buff: there was a strong argument that Carnage got the much better damage buff while Venom got the better utility.

I remember the Proxima videos hyping her to the moon showing the gaudy damage she could get on Winter Soldier. In my crowd, people felt like they were misled since she had to ponderously build to that damage and it was not worth the chase outside of RoL.

Can’t speak to IW. I never cared enough about her to follow her trajectory.

Venom is properly rated to me. He’s had his cheerleaders and the Variant content only helped his shine. Carnage did get the better damage buff and is still underrated as a damage dealer.

I concur with @DNA3000 on Venom: he's vastly superior to Carnage. He doesn't need his sig, ready access to his buffs in no time, regen with nullify, insane DoT, armor up for Havok, high base stats, anti-evade, armor break, insane SP2, true strike and unblockable sp's in assassin range ...

He's at least as good as Medusa and Hyperion. He lacks immunities, yes.

Woo he’s good but not as good as Hyperion

Hyperion is only good because he can hit hard. Venom can hit pretty hard as well but with a lot more utility.

I think it's unfair to say that hyperion is only good because he can hit hard. Theres a reason why he's popular. He has a very good power gain, can access regeneration (although it does come at a cost), he can access furies, has poison immunity, can access DOT with SP1. He is still a cosmic powerhouse, and is useful in lots of content.

I agree Hyperion is more than just hitting hard: his increased power gain is useful and his heal is sometimes useful, although it is probably the lowest possible utility heal that is useful at all. I have them both at rank 5, and I use them both, and I even ranked Hyperion first, but having used both for a while now if I had to rank down one of them it would be Hyperion.

Hyperion is good, in fact he's much better than most champions, but he isn't often the answer to a particularly difficult problem. Venom is the answer to a lot of interesting in-game problems, and if anything that utility seems to be getting more valuable over time as Kabam makes more complex champions to fight. Venom is very good against champions like The Champion, Havok, and Warlock, all champions that were added to the game after Venom was updated. And I see no end to the trend of champions being added that either rely on buffs to make interesting problems for the player or require certain buffs to avoid problems. Nullify is the new Power Control in that respect.

I am in no way saying that Venom isn't better than Hyperion. I think that can be up for debate, but that wasn't the intention of my last comment. I just felt that is was ignorant for someone to say that Hyperion has no utility.