Unfair Advantage

MBogusz

Ok so I will keep this short and sweet. After watching some of the YouTuber/Content Creators it’s pretty clear they have a copy of the Abyss Map. I don’t know if Kabam gave this to them, or if it was acquired some other way, but in the interests of fairness “considering the time element of the legends run for it the map for this needs to be released. The original intention is that all players have to explore, to learn teams needed etc, but a certain select few have an unfair advantage that negates this

Kevo9513

They’re giving you an advantage so you dont have to die a million times right? Why are you mad.

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Demonzfyre

INTEGRAL said:

Lol I am watching Seatin now and he clearly has the modded map. With perfect counters He has done a good job tho

Oh sure. Him freaking out about Omega Red was just for show.

MBogusz

Bosses yes, map no. And if you think me having to wait until they have completed it, watch all of their videos to see it, is them giving me an advantage then I think you’re mistaken. Giving the map to a handful of players means they are certain to finish first. Clear and unfair advantage

Demonzfyre

MBogusz said:

Bosses yes, map no. And if you think me having to wait until they have completed it, watch all of their videos to see it, is them giving me an advantage then I think you’re mistaken. Giving the map to a handful of players means they are certain to finish first. Clear and unfair advantage

Kabam didnt give them anything. Is that what you think? If anyone gave them a map, it would have been a dataminer. Otruix is already on record saying he won't give it out. Kabam certainly won't give it out either.

BigPoppaCBONE

MBogusz said:

Bosses yes, map no. And if you think me having to wait until they have completed it, watch all of their videos to see it, is them giving me an advantage then I think you’re mistaken. Giving the map to a handful of players means they are certain to finish first. Clear and unfair advantage

OK, you’ve shouted “Shenanigans!” If a handful have an advantage on Day 1, I don’t think so, but even if they did, big whoop. What does that really change?

Kabam Miike

We didn't give the Map to anybody. In fact, more than a few Content Creators could tell you how upset they were with us not Unlocking the Map Camera Angle.

solmyrair

What’s the problem even IF? All streamed, you can see yourself to better prepare.

MBogusz

Kabam Miike said:

We didn't give the Map to anybody. In fact, more than a few Content Creators could tell you how upset they were with us not Unlocking the Map Camera Angle.

Fair enough, but it’s still pretty clear some of them have gotten hold of it. Go and watch the live streams and look at their team selection. Considering this map was released 90 minutes ago they seem to have magically guessed the correct champions to bring, or knew in advance. And I think it’s clear they didn’t guess.

A handful of players have acquired the map and an unfair advantage. Allowing them to keep the advantage doesn’t seem in the interests of fairness to me.

Gamer

Do’s not meant ther Hav just luck with Choi’s

xNig

MBogusz said:

Kabam Miike said:

We didn't give the Map to anybody. In fact, more than a few Content Creators could tell you how upset they were with us not Unlocking the Map Camera Angle.

Fair enough, but it’s still pretty clear some of them have gotten hold of it. Go and watch the live streams and look at their team selection. Considering this map was released 90 minutes ago they seem to have magically guessed the correct champions to bring, or knew in advance. And I think it’s clear they didn’t guess.

A handful of players have acquired the map and an unfair advantage. Allowing them to keep the advantage doesn’t seem in the interests of fairness to me.

Erm... no.

Their team setup just made sense to cover most grounds. I would have brought something similar.

Demonzfyre

MBogusz said:

Kabam Miike said:

We didn't give the Map to anybody. In fact, more than a few Content Creators could tell you how upset they were with us not Unlocking the Map Camera Angle.

Fair enough, but it’s still pretty clear some of them have gotten hold of it. Go and watch the live streams and look at their team selection. Considering this map was released 90 minutes ago they seem to have magically guessed the correct champions to bring, or knew in advance. And I think it’s clear they didn’t guess.

A handful of players have acquired the map and an unfair advantage. Allowing them to keep the advantage doesn’t seem in the interests of fairness to me.

How could they take a data mined map away? Kabam can't control what's on someones phone. Do you not understand how data mining works?

DRTO

MBogusz said:

Kabam Miike said:

We didn't give the Map to anybody. In fact, more than a few Content Creators could tell you how upset they were with us not Unlocking the Map Camera Angle.

Fair enough, but it’s still pretty clear some of them have gotten hold of it. Go and watch the live streams and look at their team selection. Considering this map was released 90 minutes ago they seem to have magically guessed the correct champions to bring, or knew in advance. And I think it’s clear they didn’t guess.

A handful of players have acquired the map and an unfair advantage. Allowing them to keep the advantage doesn’t seem in the interests of fairness to me.

It's not that they have a map of it, it's that people have been able to datamine all of the champs that will be in the abyss. And Seatin has posted this on his youtube channel for everyone to see. Seatin gives the details of all of the champs and what potential counters might be. He's giving this information to everyone there's no advantage whatsover in this.

MBogusz

Ok. So if he “doesn’t know the map”, why would he bring the team he did knowing he could well run in to havok? The reason he doesn’t have a counter for Havok is because he knows he won’t fight him. And that is because he has a map. There’s no point arguing it. You can say he knew the potential fights. But there is no way to bring a team for every possibility unless you know who you’re fighting

DRTO

There seems to be no point arguing you since you're just gonna claim a bunch of conspiracies.

Gamer

MBogusz said:

Ok. So if he “doesn’t know the map”, why would he bring the team he did knowing he could well run in to havok? The reason he doesn’t have a counter for Havok is because he knows he won’t fight him. And that is because he has a map. There’s no point arguing it. You can say he knew the potential fights. But there is no way to bring a team for every possibility unless you know who you’re fighting

Then he wil ikow he wil fun in to that Ironman IW

Gamer

I’m thinking it more like jalesuse then evernting els

MBogusz

Lol it’s neither jealousy nor conspiracy theory. I’m not going for legends run of Abyss so it doesn’t affect me. However, I don’t like unfair advantages, and it seems clear to me a select few have an unfair advantage. I came here to try and argue for fairness for all players of the game and either got laughed at or derided. Clearly wasting my breath, but just remember this. When these guys finally hit the path with Havok, you can bet they’ll have a counter “luckily” on their team. Same for Deadpool and all the other fights that need a very specific counter. Maybe when you see that you’ll realise I wasn’t quite as wrong as everyone so quickly labelled me.

Gamer

What if ther hit a havok one this part

Demonzfyre

MBogusz said:

Lol it’s neither jealousy nor conspiracy theory. I’m not going for legends run of Abyss so it doesn’t affect me. However, I don’t like unfair advantages, and it seems clear to me a select few have an unfair advantage. I came here to try and argue for fairness for all players of the game and either got laughed at or derided. Clearly wasting my breath, but just remember this. When these guys finally hit the path with Havok, you can bet they’ll have a counter “luckily” on their team. Same for Deadpool and all the other fights that need a very specific counter. Maybe when you see that you’ll realise I wasn’t quite as wrong as everyone so quickly labelled me.

I think you are overthinking this but you aren't listening at all to what anyone is telling you. Lets break it down-
1. Otruix and MCOC Journal data mined Abyss information and pulled the profiles and nodes from the content.
2. They partnered with Seatin and other Youtubers to get the information to the public.
3. Seatin did a 3 part series covering all 43 (I believe) fights.
4. Part 1- https://youtu.be/HGOoGTq9syA
5. Part 2- https://youtu.be/pFeFVCFjqss
6. Part 3- https://youtu.be/0l_ZrYHtUS8
7. Otruix has the map but WILL NOT release it to the public. This does not mean that other data miners like Truccos haven't already.
8. Seatin brought a team that best fit what defenders he covered in his 3 part series.
9. Kabam doesn't have control over data miners and who they give info to.
10. Otruix has a discord server that all his data mined info can be found on.
11. If you aren't planning on being in the top 100 people to complete Abyss, you are wasting forum space.
12. Pay attention to what people are saying on here. You are repeating the same message over and over this entire thread.

Whathappened

If only I had a map... I could already be done. Lol. A map, how to video and about a year I'll probably get there.

Jakearound

Can they just shut this stupid thread down already? Thought conspiracy theories were not allowed on the forums

DNA3000

MBogusz said:

Ok. So if he “doesn’t know the map”, why would he bring the team he did knowing he could well run in to havok? The reason he doesn’t have a counter for Havok is because he knows he won’t fight him. And that is because he has a map. There’s no point arguing it. You can say he knew the potential fights. But there is no way to bring a team for every possibility unless you know who you’re fighting

I was going to say that the Abyss bosses have been datamined since forever, but I think it would be more pertinent to point out that if your theory is based on the premise that Seatin doesn't have a Havok counter, Quake is a Havok counter.

Quake doesn't have armor, but that's mostly irrelevant to Quake and Bake fighting. Quake won't be hitting Havok much, so Havok will only be building charges slowly. He will also be gaining power slowly so as long as you bait out his specials Havok will be converting the few charges he gets into prowess, further reducing his charges, and I think Quake's AAR will also reduce his charges a bit. Quake can beat Havok if played well.

Of course, I'm pretty sure Seatin stuck Quake there because of the skirmish charge mechanism, but Quake is a legitimate counter for Havok if you can play her well.

Also, I don't really play him as I don't have him at high tier, but isn't Doctor Doom a Havok counter as well? Doom has power steal, and doesn't power steal count as a drain for Havok's plasma charges?

Demonzfyre

Just to confirm, Seatin doesn't have a map. He's said several times now he doesn't know how far he is and who's next.

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Demonzfyre

INTEGRAL said:

Need to work on your photoshop skills man. Your colors are a bit off. @INTEGRAL

Gamer

INTEGRAL said:

Fake as hell nice try

Demonzfyre

Totally photoshopped.

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