Thoughts on rebalancing testing

I was able to test all characters and here are my thoughts and opinions. Overall I think the rebalances were good. Only speaking to Cull and Namor if these champs would've been released how they are now I think most people still would've went for them. With that said here are my thoughts.

Cull - Overall the tone down of his attack power isn't too bad. He's still extremely powerful and now can handle earlier fights better. With that said his block proficiency still needs to be looked at. It doesn't need a huge tweak but it does need some attention. He's just not a viable champ to use in most content due to this. At least before he was able to do insane damage so the amount of block damage you had to take was limited. Now you do very very good damage but still can only take the same amount of blocks before you die. Overall he's still a very good champ but unfortunately isn't useful for most game modes.

Namor - I have tested Namor and he's still a very good champ with very useful utility. While ramp up is slower now he still performs pretty close to what he was in fights. Although they will take a little longer overall he's still a top champion in the game.

Ebony Maw - His update was good but still feels like something is missing. May need another tweak or two. Attack power is still too low. Overall doesn't feel like change impacted him at all on offense, makes him tougher on defense.

Annihilus - Honestly his changes don't change my opinion on him from previous version. I don't see him being useful in any content and will only be a defender. I think he needs another look at and maybe some comments from players on how to improve. Overall his rebalance didn't impact him on offense or defense really.

Human Torch - I love the update to temperature, it seems to be what he was supposed to be like. He's a great champ and everyone that has him should be very happy for this update.

With that said now I will post my thoughts and opinions on compensation. The way they are giving us the rank materials, awakening gems and stones is good but the only issue I have is for the people that spent lots of real world dollars on champions that were advertised as OP and then tweaked downward there should be some compensation in units. I would say you can ignore giving any units from arena grinding, but if people paid $100, $1,000, $10,000 on crystals why not provide a 10% unit refund. This isn't game breaking but I do think it is the right thing to do. If I spend $5,000 on crystals to get the champion who isn't as advertised there needs to be a partial refund at least of $500 in units. As it is still in game currency Kabam loses nothing, what they do gain is confidence in customers that they will at least get some compensation back for being mislead. Again this is only my thoughts and opinions and I hope Kabam will take them constructively. I think a unit compensation package for crystal spending (on those specific crystals only) would go along way with customers and definitely lower any outrage towards the company at times.

If you agree or don't agree let me know, these are just my thoughts and I don't have to be right.

Thanks,

Comments

Colinwhitworth69

If you were refunded $1000 for crystals then you would have to give back every champ, sig ability crystal, and resource you got from those crystals, not only the one champ that has been rebalanced. That seems like something impossible for Kabam to do. Making it a percentage of that doesn't change the challenge of this.

I think their compensation offer is more than generous, personally.

Zuko_ILC

If you were refunded $1000 for crystals then you would have to give back every champ, sig ability crystal, and resource you got from those crystals, not only the one champ that has been rebalanced. That seems like something impossible for Kabam to do. Making it a percentage of that doesn't change the challenge of this.

I think their compensation offer is more than generous, personally.

You can feel however you want. I'm not arguing against that. I'm just saying a compensation package of units would actually be beneficial to the company. It would first allow customers to purchase knowing that they will get units back if a player is changed in the future. Which any other product you purchase in this would you are able to get a refund on things that aren't as advertised. I'm not saying they have to do it, I'm just saying that it would go a long way in lowering the outrage by the community. It's really just a thought and idea. It costs the company $0 to do so but would gain the respect of many customers which for the price of zero real world dollars is actually quite huge for them. But again you don't have to agree, I just think it is something that would benefit both parties. Thank you for your comments though!

Destroy4589

How is HT working as intended? I cant get his temperature up from 0-20 within a parry

Nojokejaym

Ht isn’t working as intended well as what they said he’ll be working as

Zuko_ILC

How is HT working as intended? I cant get his temperature up from 0-20 within a parry

Have you updated your app?

DNA3000

You can feel however you want. I'm not arguing against that. I'm just saying a compensation package of units would actually be beneficial to the company. It would first allow customers to purchase knowing that they will get units back if a player is changed in the future. Which any other product you purchase in this would you are able to get a refund on things that aren't as advertised. I'm not saying they have to do it, I'm just saying that it would go a long way in lowering the outrage by the community. It's really just a thought and idea. It costs the company $0 to do so but would gain the respect of many customers which for the price of zero real world dollars is actually quite huge for them. But again you don't have to agree, I just think it is something that would benefit both parties. Thank you for your comments though!

This makes several assumptions that I think are highly unlikely. First, it assumes that enough customers would change their purchasing decisions based on a potential 10% refund. That seems unlikely to me. Second, it assumes Kabam has any intention of maximizing crystal revenue when that's obviously not the case. The goal of any properly monetized F2P game is to sell as little as possible while still making enough revenue to support the game (in the case of MCOC, there's the additional requirement for Netmarble to make back their investment).

The huge assumption you're making, which I think it is safe to say is historically false, is the assumption that a 10% refund would primarily engender "respect." It fails to account for the fact that it would open the door to demands for higher refunds. A lot of people were not grateful for rank down tickets, they were furious that they didn't get more of them, once their existence was established. Igniting that debate is almost certainly not in Kabam's best interests.

The game is not a store of products. It is a service. Every dollar you spend on the game is spending on a service, and enhancements for a service, not a material good. Separate from every other consideration, there's the really big elephant in the room that if Kabam accedes to the demands of players who insist on treating the game as if it was selling products, they could put their business itself in legal jeopardy. The TOS demands - not asks, demands - that you as a player treat the game as a service, and all your purchases as enhancements to a service. You are not allowed to treat any purchase as the purchase of a "product" as you put it above. But if Kabam lets you treat purchases as product purchases, you could argue that they had the same legal responsibilities as a product seller and not a service seller.

Which would literally destroy the game instantly.

Zeraphan

1. As mentioned previously, being compensated or refunded because of money implies the only thing that money was spent on was the single champ you were going for. If the crystals just opened up to either be nothing or the champ you wanted, maybe that could be an argument. However, you got a champ every crystal, which also provided you with further rewards for every dupe of an existing champ. You got exactly, 100%, what you paid for from each crystal. The fact that someone might have spent $1,000 to get the champ does not negate that they still got $1,000 in advertised crystal value (because crystals do not advertise a given champ, just the chance at champs).
2. You mention that money was spent because a champ was advertised as OP. While the community decided to call him this (and yes, we all know he was) Kabam did not advertise the champ as that.
3. Kabam has stated many times no champ is in a finished state. Any champ could be changed at any time, without warning. This means anything you buy you are buying knowing that it could change at any given moment.

I think Kabam's decision to offer the deranking of these two champs in this manner was a very wise decision on their part and I think they are going about it in a very logical and fair way. I think anyone who thinks they somehow deserve more than that is trying to have their cake and eat it too.

GroundedWisdom

1. As mentioned previously, being compensated or refunded because of money implies the only thing that money was spent on was the single champ you were going for. If the crystals just opened up to either be nothing or the champ you wanted, maybe that could be an argument. However, you got a champ every crystal, which also provided you with further rewards for every dupe of an existing champ. You got exactly, 100%, what you paid for from each crystal. The fact that someone might have spent $1,000 to get the champ does not negate that they still got $1,000 in advertised crystal value (because crystals do not advertise a given champ, just the chance at champs).
2. You mention that money was spent because a champ was advertised as OP. While the community decided to call him this (and yes, we all know he was) Kabam did not advertise the champ as that.
3. Kabam has stated many times no champ is in a finished state. Any champ could be changed at any time, without warning. This means anything you buy you are buying knowing that it could change at any given moment.

I think Kabam's decision to offer the deranking of these two champs in this manner was a very wise decision on their part and I think they are going about it in a very logical and fair way. I think anyone who thinks they somehow deserve more than that is trying to have their cake and eat it too.

That's pretty much my perspective.

Demonzfyre

1. As mentioned previously, being compensated or refunded because of money implies the only thing that money was spent on was the single champ you were going for. If the crystals just opened up to either be nothing or the champ you wanted, maybe that could be an argument. However, you got a champ every crystal, which also provided you with further rewards for every dupe of an existing champ. You got exactly, 100%, what you paid for from each crystal. The fact that someone might have spent $1,000 to get the champ does not negate that they still got $1,000 in advertised crystal value (because crystals do not advertise a given champ, just the chance at champs).
2. You mention that money was spent because a champ was advertised as OP. While the community decided to call him this (and yes, we all know he was) Kabam did not advertise the champ as that.
3. Kabam has stated many times no champ is in a finished state. Any champ could be changed at any time, without warning. This means anything you buy you are buying knowing that it could change at any given moment.

I think Kabam's decision to offer the deranking of these two champs in this manner was a very wise decision on their part and I think they are going about it in a very logical and fair way. I think anyone who thinks they somehow deserve more than that is trying to have their cake and eat it too.

Have 10,000 Agrees good sir.

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ẞlооd

Good to hear I didn't rank 4 my Maw for nothing lol.

Also, the only other champ I have is Namor and I JUST duped him so I don't really know his potential. He seems pretty OP tho from the matches I've used him in.

Kabam Porthos

Hey guys, there's already a thread HERE for sharing feedback about the recent Champion rebalances. To help keep the Forum tidy, I'll go ahead and close this one.