Do you guys agree with Seatin's Tier lists?

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Both yes and no. He gives tier lists from the eyes of a endgame player/whale which differs from most.
And, he does say it's his individual tier list and isn't a universal one

Shrimkins

I just think the idea of a "tier list" is stupid. I understand why it's popular, but it blinds people to ranking up champs that could fill a needed utility in their roster.

People tend to get obsessed with only ranking "beyond god tier" champs and don't think about anything else, such as the content they are trying to complete, their current roster capability, prestige, alliance needs, ect.

RoninMan

No, because first off it’s subjective. His top tier champs aren’t mine and vice versa. Everyone has champs they feel are better than another person thinks.

Secondly, tier lists are a sort of “min-max” way to play the game so to speak. They may determine what champs are most successful in most content, but they don’t take into consideration what one person may need to fill out a roster, or perhaps more importantly, the fun factor.

I personally subscribe to the idea of testing out champs for yourself to determine your own tier list. What’s popular for one may not always be popular with another.

kfd2010

Of course everything is subjective, which he says as a disclaimer almost every time, but I think overall, it's a good guideline.

Because not everyone has the resources to test everyone. So a general list to refer to is good to have. If you're a new player, it's good to have a quick guide if you pull a Ghost and a Iron Patriot, which they should focus your resources on.

While you could argue someone should be a bit higher or a bit lower, I there's nothing glaringly off. Plus, he explains his reasoning so you can take that into account if you're using that as a resource guide

DNA3000

I agree with Seatin's statement about the tier lists, which is that they are his subjective evaluation of the champions, and they are a simplification of how valuable he thinks the champions are.

Primmer79

tier lists have their place, but people take them too seriously.

What seatin has, is a personal opinion based on his experiences. I would trust his over someone who has just started playing who might base their heroes over what they know of the marvel universe in other platforms.

What a lot of people lose here is there is no cutoff of good/bad. but a tier list is a comparison over who is better than another overall and doesn't take into account specific scenarios. Take she-hulk for example. I would not consider her an overall great champion. but there is content where she is god tier.

Pay close attention to the previous paragraph. Where you are in the game can determine who is god tier. but be prepared to rank someone for content who may not be valuable down the road. I would take a tier list like seatin's when deciding to rank between two champs but not holding for a specific champ.

However, I do end up guilty of saving for certain champs, but based off of personal need.

the other conversation that comes of this, is be prepared for whichever game you want to play. there is competitive and enjoyment. if you rank for enjoyment and want to rank champs you want to play, be prepared to a) not clear content at the same speed and b) get that pointed out to you when you play a competitive game. I am not knocking ranking who you want. but not every champ should be able to do everything. some champs are niche and some content is niche.

Denslo500

It helps to know
1) it used to be called the Offense Tier List (he stopped doing the Defense list)
2) Seatin has a VERY strong offense preference (Tier lists, masteries, champs he uses.)

So if you want to know which champs have a high DPS, look at his list.

He seems to believe that SHORTER fights are the best DEFENSE.
Between block damage, game lags and mistakes, I have to agree.

Aomine_Daiki10

I agree with his list

Aomine_Daiki10

He explains each champ very well and has a detailed information of where a champ can be used and he does not run suicides

Stellan

Of course it's not 100% accurate and universally true. Though what is? Nothing, because its opinions.

But what opinions are relevant? I'd argue that Seatin's is. He has experience, achievements and showcases to back his opinions. But the true relevance of his opinion based tier list is that it can function as a guide to lesser experienced players regarding what champions that offer the most value per invested resources. His guide can help people invest resources wisely regarding game progression in general or in specific areas. He provides information regarding how to play a specific champion, where to use it, what specific resources to invest in it and much more. All for other to soak up and thus invest more wisely and hence also progress further in the game. I believe such information is highly valuable.

Regarding the question if his specific opinion matter more than other opinions I'd also answer yes. There is arguably no one with similar experience to Seatin that post information, explanations and showcases as regularly and often as Seatin does. For that reason, he is unique and therefore more valuable.

Also, the idea that you can reduce his opinion to the likes of a random, average player is absurd. Perhaps you haven't seen some of the bisarr personal tier lists posted here on the forums. I really don't understand why the knowledge of an average Joe would be equal to that of a pro? By that logic, the knowledge of a scientist, a professional or whomever a qualified person, is also equal to that of a average Joe.

Instead of trying to convince yourself and others that your opinion is of the same value as that of a pro when it comes to progressive value and not personal preference or taste, make an attempt to try and understand why the pro has said what he or she has said. They probably have a reason and a rationale behind the claim. It is probably just you who doesn't understand it yet, rather than the pro lacking reasons.

Understand that this is about opinions on game-progressive value in champions and not personal preferences in champions, their historical background or their fun play style.

ẞlооd

It's mostly in line with how I feel. He doesn't highlight some of the underrated champs ever but, his list is more about overall performance, not really niche champs or champs that can do what another champ can do, but at a slower pace.

But anyone looking at a tier list should always consider what their account needs first.

Colinwhitworth69

I agree with Seatin's statement about the tier lists, which is that they are his subjective evaluation of the champions, and they are a simplification of how valuable he thinks the champions are.

^^ this

You can agree, disagree, or make your own list. But certainly the guy who finished Abyss first, who can clear any content, and who makes entertaining MCOC videos, can make any friggin' list he wants about this game.

Bigdawg

I'd say I agree with it mostly. Unless you're the top whatever % of players most of us haven't cleared the amount of in game content he has. He has his retired f2p account and well as his current 2 that he plays. So yes, he's played/used basically every single champion in the game, at every tier in practically every mode of play. I don't have access to the sheer amount of resources that he blows through ranking up champions he'll probably only use once. You also have to figure that aside from his own gameplay he has gone to cons, meet and greets and tournaments. That gives him more than just a following but a community on players that spam him with their own in game vids and stories who might not have gotten their ideas seen any other way. Yes his tier list is based on his own play style and experience but the amount of information that comes through his social platforms is more than I would want to sift though on a daily basis. Again it is just one man's opinion and your play style, masteries and daily usage will differ but it is an excellent guide you can use to help springboard your own journey in mcoc.

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Tehsigzorz

Both yes and no. He gives tier lists from the eyes of a endgame player/whale which differs from most.
And, he does say it's his individual tier list and isn't a universal one

What champ ranking would you change? Even as a mdi game player I think if you are ranking up 5 stars or even 4 stars you should know how useful a character is after you have completed some content so not really sure what the difference you are stating is? I have roughly the same opinions for a champ that I had when I was midgame and endgame

lowlevelplayer

Sure! It's an amazing guide for beginners so they don't end up ranking magneto or groot

Terra

Both yes and no. He gives tier lists from the eyes of a endgame player/whale which differs from most.
And, he does say it's his individual tier list and isn't a universal one
What champ ranking would you change? Even as a mdi game player I think if you are ranking up 5 stars or even 4 stars you should know how useful a character is after you have completed some content so not really sure what the difference you are stating is? I have roughly the same opinions for a champ that I had when I was midgame and endgame

Peculiar question. To answer that will take a couple days however to make my own tier list for viewing. I'll pm/dm you when I'm finished.

Nojokejaym

All list are your own opinion doesn’t matter if people agree with it or not

Rockypantherx

Mostly yes but I think there are some key misplacements in his list

Thicco_Mode

I just think the idea of a "tier list" is stupid. I understand why it's popular, but it blinds people to ranking up champs that could fill a needed utility in their roster.

People tend to get obsessed with only ranking "beyond god tier" champs and don't think about anything else, such as the content they are trying to complete, their current roster capability, prestige, alliance needs, ect.

I agree with you and see what you are saying, but I think when some people don't use the phrase beyond god tier or god tier, they usually aren't referring to a tier list. Instead, when people, including myself, call a champ god tier, they are just using the phrase god tier to describe a champ they think is good, rather than referring to a tier list. This is just what I think and it's an opinion about what I observe.

Thicco_Mode

And talking about the post, I think his list is a generally a good indicator of good and bad champs, but I think he has ranked some older champs too high because when they were released, they were at the top of the meta, but as the game evolved and more champs have been introduced, I feel that he has left them where they are instead of demoting them. When I talk about that, I think every champs strength is relative to others

DNA3000

Both yes and no. He gives tier lists from the eyes of a endgame player/whale which differs from most.
And, he does say it's his individual tier list and isn't a universal one
What champ ranking would you change? Even as a mdi game player I think if you are ranking up 5 stars or even 4 stars you should know how useful a character is after you have completed some content so not really sure what the difference you are stating is? I have roughly the same opinions for a champ that I had when I was midgame and endgame

For example, Quake is a god tier champ only if you're willing to put in the time to master her. She's slightly above average in the hands of the average player. That's not a knock on Seatin, it is just that it is impossible to make a single champion metric that factors in all of the different requirements of the different players of the game.

I would probably rate Rogue much higher than Wasp for average players. Wasp is a glass cannon with an unconventional play style and much more easily killed than Rogue who has a decently strong heal and some power control, plus strongly mitigates debuffs. And I would rate King Groot much higher than champs like Carnage or Mister Sinister for average players as King Groot's super tankiness would help less skilled players. And unless you're going to leverage synergies and carefully ramp him up I think Hawkeye is going to give better return to average players than Sabertooth. Hawkeye is easy to play and his strong power control in SP1 will get average players through a lot of otherwise dangerous fights.

Even Sparky is not a universally fantastic champion. If you aren't very skilled at building poise his play style can get you killed. I'll bet for every player that drives him well there's about fifty that try to get one more poise charge and get comboed in the face and suddenly drop below 50%, nullifying a lot of his superhigh burst damage. If you're that guy, and you don't have the time or inclination to practice, then Angela is going to be a much better performer for you.

Again, not knocking Seatin or his champion rankings, it simply isn't possible to make one set of rankings that are applicable to all the players of the game. Seatin's list presumes in part that you can and will become skilled enough to unlock the full potential of the champions, or at least as much potential as he sees in them. That might ultimately be less than 10% of all players of the game.

GroundedWisdom

With all things, I read them objectively and compare it to my own findings. So as others have said, it's subjective. It's both yes and no because I may agree with some of his ranking, but not others. I appreciate his effort to help people, but I also agree that going by his opinion as gospel isn't necessarily the best way to make choices. Everyone has their own views on Champs. I wouldn't substitute actual personal experience for any list.

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Tehsigzorz

Both yes and no. He gives tier lists from the eyes of a endgame player/whale which differs from most.
And, he does say it's his individual tier list and isn't a universal one
What champ ranking would you change? Even as a mdi game player I think if you are ranking up 5 stars or even 4 stars you should know how useful a character is after you have completed some content so not really sure what the difference you are stating is? I have roughly the same opinions for a champ that I had when I was midgame and endgame
For example, Quake is a god tier champ only if you're willing to put in the time to master her. She's slightly above average in the hands of the average player. That's not a knock on Seatin, it is just that it is impossible to make a single champion metric that factors in all of the different requirements of the different players of the game.

I would probably rate Rogue much higher than Wasp for average players. Wasp is a glass cannon with an unconventional play style and much more easily killed than Rogue who has a decently strong heal and some power control, plus strongly mitigates debuffs. And I would rate King Groot much higher than champs like Carnage or Mister Sinister for average players as King Groot's super tankiness would help less skilled players. And unless you're going to leverage synergies and carefully ramp him up I think Hawkeye is going to give better return to average players than Sabertooth. Hawkeye is easy to play and his strong power control in SP1 will get average players through a lot of otherwise dangerous fights.

Even Sparky is not a universally fantastic champion. If you aren't very skilled at building poise his play style can get you killed. I'll bet for every player that drives him well there's about fifty that try to get one more poise charge and get comboed in the face and suddenly drop below 50%, nullifying a lot of his superhigh burst damage. If you're that guy, and you don't have the time or inclination to practice, then Angela is going to be a much better performer for you.

Again, not knocking Seatin or his champion rankings, it simply isn't possible to make one set of rankings that are applicable to all the players of the game. Seatin's list presumes in part that you can and will become skilled enough to unlock the full potential of the champions, or at least as much potential as he sees in them. That might ultimately be less than 10% of all players of the game.

He gives an asterisk to quake stating that you need to know how to play her so I dont think this point is very relevant. The wasp argument is fair enough as she does need you to intercept however the attack rating isnt really the problem for beginners who dont know how to play the game but its been a while since I have played it. I would say mister sinister is very beginner friendly as it gives you a buffer against crit but good argument for king groot. I disagree on the hawkeye vs sabretooth argument, I think both are extremely easy to play after the first time you read their skillset. I fully agree with you on sparky and additionally this is one of the champs where I disagree with him on. Personally I would see him demoted but thats just me.

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Aleor

Unfortunately, yes. The game has no balance in that. There may be champ, who is good at one thing, and another champ, who is good at another thing, but you don't need them, as there is a third champ is better at both things that first two. And why would you rank up many champs instead of one, when resources are very limited? His tier list gives some idea of how good every champ is compared to others, and it is more or less what is like imo

Aleor

It helps to know
1) it used to be called the Offense Tier List (he stopped doing the Defense list)
2) Seatin has a VERY strong offense preference (Tier lists, masteries, champs he uses.)

So if you want to know which champs have a high DPS, look at his list.

He seems to believe that SHORTER fights are the best DEFENSE.
Between block damage, game lags and mistakes, I have to agree.

Shorter fights is what kabam promoted with aw/aq timers. Also anyway the shorter the fight, the less time you have to take block damage, simple math

DNA3000

It helps to know
1) it used to be called the Offense Tier List (he stopped doing the Defense list)
2) Seatin has a VERY strong offense preference (Tier lists, masteries, champs he uses.)

So if you want to know which champs have a high DPS, look at his list.

He seems to believe that SHORTER fights are the best DEFENSE.
Between block damage, game lags and mistakes, I have to agree.

As far as I'm aware, Seatin still does defense ratings. It is just that they were always less frequently updated; the most recent one was September 2019.

Also, more offense is a kind of useful defense when it comes to champions used on attack, but more offense in general does not automatically make a good defender placed on defense. Defense as an attacker is not the same thing as being a better defender.

Aomine_Daiki10

Before I was aware of tier list I thought sentry was the best champion in the game cause of his perfect block,regen and other stats so I ranked 4 the 4* version of him him meanwhile I had quake at rank 1. Only to find out later that I wasted my resources on wrong champ.