Mystique Character Discussion

In this discussion, I want to hear what abilities/synergies you guys think a Mystique champion.

This popped in my head, but since she can be anybody she would be able to pass through any class or champion gate in the game. what do you think?

Comments

Andyball270

I would say she would be able to mirror the buffs of the champ she is facing would be pretty good

Deadpool87

I think Sp1 or Sp2 should allow her to change her look to opposing champion and copy all of their animations, buffs and special attacks until they lose their combo

Kerneas

She will surely have mirror image ability and for limited rime she'll share debuffs with her opponent

KobeLives

I think Sp1 or Sp2 should allow her to change her look to opposing champion and copy all of their animations, buffs and special attacks until they lose their combo

That's kinda pointless. She could morph into a random champion while performing special attacks.
Copying buffs is a good one

Kabam Miike

Mystique may be the most requested Champion out there, but we haven't found a way to implement her that does justice with the technical limitations of Mobile Devices. For instance, allowing her to transform into Different Champions is very difficult, and could cause issues on many older/lower-end devices. Loading up Character Models is no easy feat for some Mobile Devices, and the more your Device is asked to load, the worse that strain is. Adding Ghost Rider's Motorcycle was one of the most impressive things that our team had done at the time!

We also hear that she could copy buffs/abilities of the other Champion, but that isn't very true to the source material. While we do have the ability to take some creative liberties here, that one personally just doesn't seem right to me... Besides, Rogue already does that in the Mutant Class!

I'm very interested to hear how you like to see Mystique work in-game.

StevieManWonder

Mystique may be the most requested Champion out there, but we haven't found a way to implement her that does justice with the technical limitations of Mobile Devices. For instance, allowing her to transform into Different Champions is very difficult, and could cause issues on many older/lower-end devices. Loading up Character Models is no easy feat for some Mobile Devices, and the more your Device is asked to load, the worse that strain is. Adding Ghost Rider's Motorcycle was one of the most impressive things that our team had done at the time!

We also hear that she could copy buffs/abilities of the other Champion, but that isn't very true to the source material. While we do have the ability to take some creative liberties here, that one personally just doesn't seem right to me... Besides, Rogue already does that in the Mutant Class!

I'm very interested to hear how you like to see Mystique work in-game.

Thanks for your feedback! Mystique certainly poses the biggest challenge of how she should work in game given the nature of her powers. My suggestion to at least part of her kit is to give her an ability similar to Karnak's ability to overcome his class disadvantage, except for Mystique have it so that she always has the class advantage (except for against the Eternal class, that's the one Maestro, The Collector, and 6.2 Champion are right?). You can either have it be that she gains the class advantage once the fight starts or she can gain it like how Karnak loses his class disadvantage. It'll be a good way to incorporate her shapeshifting ability without having to change her character model mid-fight.
Other things I think would be good for her kit and true to her powers while not being difficult to implement would be increased physical resistance, psychic immunity, a small amount of regen, poison resistance (Not immunity), either critical resistance or critical immunity (she uses her powers to move her vital organs around so she can't be critically injured from gunshots to the heart or head, so crit resistance or immunity would be a neat reflection of that), and a camouflage ability that works similar to Hood's invisibility where she has X amount of chance to have an attack miss (This can be on a cooldown or even be a prefight ability [Say you can either activate camouflage, psychic immunity, or critical immunity depending on the fight]).

Star_Lord_

How about pre-fight ability to start the fight off as a different character - maybe for a time limit based on signature level? It can only be a character that is either on your team or have fought previously (have to have touched the person) and would be the same rarity level.

This would be amazing especially if you turn into a 5* Scarlet witch? After the time limit expires she would turn back into Mystique.

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DRTO

Maybe like based on what class she is fighting, she'd have differnt abilities based on the common abilities for champs of each class?

Like for example if she's fighting a skill champ, she'd gain skill champ abilities like shrugging off debuffs or a chance to bleed the opponent

Or like if she's fighting a mystic champ, she'd gain mystic champ abilities such as nullify and power lock.

Then winning against a champ of that class, she'd keep these champ abilities as a persistent charge/ pre fight ability which she can then activate in later fights.

So say mystic champs give her mystic abilities such as a 10% for hits to place a stagger on the opponent and special attacks giving her nullify abilities. Winning that fight gives her a pre fight ability for the next fight. So if the next opponent is a cosmic champ like Hyperion or something, she can activate her mystic abilities before she would fight him and make the fight easier.

Kind of just an initial thought might be kind of confusing but I think this could be pretty unique to the character.

jonzer

plus that's a new romance synergy for valentines day. her and magneto

Cain

She is a very good spy, perhaps give her abilities in AW like scouter lens mastery if she is on your team? Her abilities allow her to bypass opponents security measures so how about increased block penetration and armor break (or have her attacks ignore armor). She seems like a good candidate to be an evade champ also. That’s a decent kit there if you put some minor abilities in specials and synergies.

Duck_of_Doom

If they put her in there people with low end devices will complain about lag and refuse to get a better device.

Caino1023

Mystique may be the most requested Champion out there, but we haven't found a way to implement her that does justice with the technical limitations of Mobile Devices. For instance, allowing her to transform into Different Champions is very difficult, and could cause issues on many older/lower-end devices. Loading up Character Models is no easy feat for some Mobile Devices, and the more your Device is asked to load, the worse that strain is. Adding Ghost Rider's Motorcycle was one of the most impressive things that our team had done at the time!

We also hear that she could copy buffs/abilities of the other Champion, but that isn't very true to the source material. While we do have the ability to take some creative liberties here, that one personally just doesn't seem right to me... Besides, Rogue already does that in the Mutant Class!

I'm very interested to hear how you like to see Mystique work in-game.

I see her transforming into her opponent for 10 seconds for an sp1, and maybe a preflight ability to choose from the other team members you brought to transform for the sp2 for a limited time as well

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE

I think you could give Mystique a preflight ability that will allow you to choose 1 unused synergy that she can activate in a way to "disguise herself as that champ."

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Buttehrs

Mystique may be the most requested Champion out there, but we haven't found a way to implement her that does justice with the technical limitations of Mobile Devices. For instance, allowing her to transform into Different Champions is very difficult, and could cause issues on many older/lower-end devices. Loading up Character Models is no easy feat for some Mobile Devices, and the more your Device is asked to load, the worse that strain is. Adding Ghost Rider's Motorcycle was one of the most impressive things that our team had done at the time!

We also hear that she could copy buffs/abilities of the other Champion, but that isn't very true to the source material. While we do have the ability to take some creative liberties here, that one personally just doesn't seem right to me... Besides, Rogue already does that in the Mutant Class!

I'm very interested to hear how you like to see Mystique work in-game.
Well if she transformed to the opponent the models would already be loaded surely??? A special ability that allowed her to copy the opponent for a limited amount of time would be cool

Also out of curiosity, why was GR's motorbike a challenge? It just appears on the SP3 right? Isn't that just a pre rendered animation with some areas for the opponent to fit in?

I think they mean because its the first time they brought in extra models during attack sequences that weren't already onscreen which is true. He was the first lol.

Sundance_2099

Mystique can't copy other people's powers, her shapeshifting is purely cosmetic, so I really don't get why people want her in the game.

A Super-Skrull that can actually copy other powers, I could understand...

NoOnexRO

This is by far one of the most interesting threads I have read in a while so... I will leave also my personal opinion.
Keeping in mind Miike's comment I will focus on the idea of "light loading" on Mistique's side.

"Copying" feature would in fact turn into a Morningstar's "soul eating" similar functionality that would allow her to have persistent charges. At the start of a path she would be able to steal all the positive buffs a mutant adversary would activate on himself and place back on the adversary any negative debuffs she would have. For instance, fighting with X-23 when X-23 would gain "regenerate" that buff would be removed from X-23 and applied to Mistique. If X-23 would inflict a bleed that bleed would be removed and placed back onto X-23. Of course this should be triggered by a specific action - for instance a heavy or an intercept.

So initially she can only "copy" adversaries of the same class. If she has a second enemy from another class (let's say science) at the end of the fight, if she wins she would also have "copy-ing type" abilities over "science" enemies. And for future science encounters she should remove buffs from enemies and place back the debuffs (as explained above). Maybe also a set of missions during the second fight will allow her to copy "science" before winning the fight. For instance 3 successful heavies would turn the copy ability on.

This will allow her to have a "construction over time" against all classes, basically making her more powerful after a set of fights not just one.

Jh_Dez

Mystique may be the most requested Champion out there, but we haven't found a way to implement her that does justice with the technical limitations of Mobile Devices. For instance, allowing her to transform into Different Champions is very difficult, and could cause issues on many older/lower-end devices. Loading up Character Models is no easy feat for some Mobile Devices, and the more your Device is asked to load, the worse that strain is. Adding Ghost Rider's Motorcycle was one of the most impressive things that our team had done at the time!

We also hear that she could copy buffs/abilities of the other Champion, but that isn't very true to the source material. While we do have the ability to take some creative liberties here, that one personally just doesn't seem right to me... Besides, Rogue already does that in the Mutant Class!

I'm very interested to hear how you like to see Mystique work in-game.

Technically I think she should be able to replicate some basic buffs and debuffs like fury and bleed depending on who she shifts into
In a realistic term, fury would definitely be physical strength and mystique can shapeshift anyone including their physical attributes (mainly this)

Stellar

Based on her description : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystique_(comics)#Powers_and_abilities

She should have :

some sort of poison resistance
a regen when shape-shifting (after a SP ?)
the ability to duplicate physical SP after dodging them a couple of time (perhaps like Mr Fantastic careful study debuff) but only physical like claws but not energy based attack like cyclop's beam.
This would allow her to do some bleed, poison damage if her opponent can do it.
She could even store some abilities over fights making her more and more powerful !
some kind of evade as she can read body language and predict her opponent attack
immune to reverse control

DTMelodicMetal

Mystique may be the most requested Champion out there, but we haven't found a way to implement her that does justice with the technical limitations of Mobile Devices. For instance, allowing her to transform into Different Champions is very difficult, and could cause issues on many older/lower-end devices. Loading up Character Models is no easy feat for some Mobile Devices, and the more your Device is asked to load, the worse that strain is. Adding Ghost Rider's Motorcycle was one of the most impressive things that our team had done at the time!

We also hear that she could copy buffs/abilities of the other Champion, but that isn't very true to the source material. While we do have the ability to take some creative liberties here, that one personally just doesn't seem right to me... Besides, Rogue already does that in the Mutant Class!

I'm very interested to hear how you like to see Mystique work in-game.

If I remember correctly, Mystique copies others' physical appearances, whereas Morph can copy both others' appearances and abilities/powers.

TheToxicCactus

I think Sp1 or Sp2 should allow her to change her look to opposing champion and copy all of their animations, buffs and special attacks until they lose their combo

Imagine transforming into Ebony Maw. The fight would never end

AlexMilo

I was thinking that maybe all (or just some) champions could be put into curtain smaller groups, and then a group is picked by a prefight ability. For example, if picking a True Strike prefight ability, you will become one or that groups champions at random; KM, Heimdall or Venom etc, in a certain time frame following a special 3.

Other than that as others have also mentioned I’d suggest to have her “just” turn into the enemy she is facing, which should already be loaded.

Archdemon_

If loading character models is such a strain, it could be worked in like a pre-fight ability based on who you have fought up to that point in game.... for example if you've just fought Vision you get the option to stay as mystique or play as vision for the next fight. If you've fought several champs to that point in the quest you get the option to stay as Mystique or choose to play as any of those past champs for the duration of the fight - there's only the need to load 1 character model per fight then, not necessary to have her change models multiple times per fight.
Just my thought on it!

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dot_ditto

not an ability useful by the player, but she could be used in quests by showing the pic of another champ .. then when you go into the actual fight .. well . it's not that champ .

(kinda like the ? does now .. but you might not realize it's mystique .. not storm ... )

(I'm referring to when she's an AI controlled opponent in a quest .. not used by the player)

Djin

If changing her character model to other character is difficult then don't do it.

You can make her hand to shape-shift and form different weapons like pistols, swords etc.
I mean for heavy attack she makes a knife.
For block she makes a shield.
Her special attacks can have different kind of weapons.

She could possibly have the best looking animations in the whole game.

jonzer

not an ability useful by the player, but she could be used in quests by showing the pic of another champ .. then when you go into the actual fight .. well . it's not that champ . (kinda like the ? does now .. but you might not realize it's mystique .. not storm ... )

(I'm referring to when she's an AI controlled opponent in a quest .. not used by the player)

That could be cool. Like if Kabaam came out with a monthly event quest and the boss showed someone else but was really her

Djin

I don't understand why everyone wants her to copy other champion's abilities. She can't do that.

She can look like Wolverine, also have his claws but can't copy his accelerated healing abilities.
She can look like Cyclops, but can't shoot his beam.
She can look like Magneto, but can't control metals.
She can look like Professor X, but can't have his powers.

dumplingii

i think it could be interesting if she could change classes like from mutant to mystic. tho i dont really know how this would really help except maybe like 5.3