say what you will about Ægon but using him is still the best & cheapest choice for Abyss. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
In theory any champ can be taken to the Abyss, but some will just cost you a lot more than others.
And if you seriously think that no mystic champs will help, all I'll say is good luck fighting VtD.
Edit: looks like u did bring Ægon after all and a mystic champ. Glad u changed your mind.
Aegon is not the cheapest choice for abyss simply because he cannot beat fights without a revive. He is indeed the cheapest option for abyss collector but is quite pricey when it comes to the rest.
say what you will about Ægon but using him is still the best & cheapest choice for Abyss. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
In theory any champ can be taken to the Abyss, but some will just cost you a lot more than others.
And if you seriously think that no mystic champs will help, all I'll say is good luck fighting VtD.
Edit: looks like u did bring Ægon after all and a mystic champ. Glad u changed your mind.
Aegon is not the cheapest choice for abyss simply because he cannot beat fights without a revive. He is indeed the cheapest option for abyss collector but is quite pricey when it comes to the rest.
Well spending 1 extra revive on certain path fights is worth it to save 20 on Abyss Collector imo.
wow very nice . but op how can you say aegon is over rated he is lierally made for these types of fights .. but that is your opinion im sure there are others who agree . but in no way is he overated
For other endgame content like act 6, Aegon is one of the best options to use. He's only overrated for abyss because for some odd reason he is seen as practically the only option for abyss path clearing. With Apocalypse coming into the game soon, options like AA and even Storm X may be viable too. We have seen that Sabretooth can hold his own as well w/Sasquatch but can potentially be an abyss collector option too.
say what you will about Ægon but using him is still the best & cheapest choice for Abyss. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
In theory any champ can be taken to the Abyss, but some will just cost you a lot more than others.
And if you seriously think that no mystic champs will help, all I'll say is good luck fighting VtD.
Edit: looks like u did bring Ægon after all and a mystic champ. Glad u changed your mind.
Aegon is not the cheapest choice for abyss simply because he cannot beat fights without a revive. He is indeed the cheapest option for abyss collector but is quite pricey when it comes to the rest.
Well spending 1 extra revive on certain path fights is worth it to save 20 on Abyss Collector imo.
Yeah he is for sure a revive saver on that collector fight. I don't see why you can't just bring Aegon for collector, ramp him up on Thing, and use a better option up until the boss fight? That's what I'll be doing and what I did for that run and it went fine.
say what you will about Ægon but using him is still the best & cheapest choice for Abyss. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
In theory any champ can be taken to the Abyss, but some will just cost you a lot more than others.
And if you seriously think that no mystic champs will help, all I'll say is good luck fighting VtD.
Edit: looks like u did bring Ægon after all and a mystic champ. Glad u changed your mind.
Aegon is not the cheapest choice for abyss simply because he cannot beat fights without a revive. He is indeed the cheapest option for abyss collector but is quite pricey when it comes to the rest.
Well spending 1 extra revive on certain path fights is worth it to save 20 on Abyss Collector imo.
Yeah he is for sure a revive saver on that collector fight. I don't see why you can't just bring Aegon for collector, ramp him up on Thing, and use a better option up until the boss fight? That's what I'll be doing and what I did for that run and it went fine.
That works, but it sounds like you're saying replacing Ægon with a different champ entirely is the cheaper way to go.
say what you will about Ægon but using him is still the best & cheapest choice for Abyss. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
In theory any champ can be taken to the Abyss, but some will just cost you a lot more than others.
And if you seriously think that no mystic champs will help, all I'll say is good luck fighting VtD.
Edit: looks like u did bring Ægon after all and a mystic champ. Glad u changed your mind.
Aegon is not the cheapest choice for abyss simply because he cannot beat fights without a revive. He is indeed the cheapest option for abyss collector but is quite pricey when it comes to the rest.
Well spending 1 extra revive on certain path fights is worth it to save 20 on Abyss Collector imo.
Yeah he is for sure a revive saver on that collector fight. I don't see why you can't just bring Aegon for collector, ramp him up on Thing, and use a better option up until the boss fight? That's what I'll be doing and what I did for that run and it went fine.
That works, but it sounds like you're saying replacing Ægon with a different champ entirely is the cheaper way to go.
Depends if that champion is capable of taking on abyss fights for a solo if you got the skills too. If so, then yes it is true. From Thing to Joe Fixit, I estimate I'd have to use maybe 10 revives more than it would have taken just to get to him with Aegon only excluding a few of the fights intended for Torch and SS. I'd only bring Aegon for collector.
say what you will about Ægon but using him is still the best & cheapest choice for Abyss. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
In theory any champ can be taken to the Abyss, but some will just cost you a lot more than others.
And if you seriously think that no mystic champs will help, all I'll say is good luck fighting VtD.
Edit: looks like u did bring Ægon after all and a mystic champ. Glad u changed your mind.
Aegon is not the cheapest choice for abyss simply because he cannot beat fights without a revive. He is indeed the cheapest option for abyss collector but is quite pricey when it comes to the rest.
This is crazy. You have 5 roster spots. 5. You can't bring 20 different champs and then another for the collector. And you're talking about using sabretooth who needs 5 revives just to ramp up and then can no longer be used vs the collector because he's dead before you can get the sp3 off.
So because Aegon costs 6 revives on the path if you play well he's not a good champ? You're talking about 240 units, or an easy days work with smart farming. This is contrarian for contrarians sake at its finest. Aegon is one of the best Swiss army knives for the Abyss. Period stop.
I'm not upset by the way, despite my tone. I'm just allergic to stupidity.
Aegon would cost a whole lot more than 6 revives. Many have used dozens of revives on paths with Aegon. Calling someone names doesn't help with your argument so why not just respect the facts? Bringing Aegon leaves you with 4 slots left so what's the issue? You could save units by not using him in your general abyss fight.
Without Aegon it would be a whole lot harder. Your trying to tell me that doing Abyss without Aegon is better? Yikes. And I can’t imagine not having him for exploration. Then again, if there were 40 spots on the team. Then maybe a ton of fights could be one shot. Quake is probably the best if you can do quake marathons and have that much skill.
Without Aegon it would be a whole lot harder. Your trying to tell me that doing Abyss without Aegon is better? Yikes. And I can’t imagine not having him for exploration. Then again, if there were 40 spots on the team. Then maybe a ton of fights could be one shot. Quake is probably the best if you can do quake marathons and have that much skill.
Like I said, I ramped up Aegon a bit and was just fine using IMIW on Path 1 and Torch/SS for their respective fights. Not that hard to grasp... Aegon isn't the best option for abyss. This post was made to point out the fact that there are indeed other options out there that have yet to come into the spotlight, even more possibly due to new synergies and Apocalypse.
Without Aegon it would be a whole lot harder. Your trying to tell me that doing Abyss without Aegon is better? Yikes. And I can’t imagine not having him for exploration. Then again, if there were 40 spots on the team. Then maybe a ton of fights could be one shot. Quake is probably the best if you can do quake marathons and have that much skill.
And Stealthy. Big damage, slow debuff makes ignore enrage (though you'll have to bait specials when they gain the power). I've seen solos with him.
Without Aegon it would be a whole lot harder. Your trying to tell me that doing Abyss without Aegon is better? Yikes. And I can’t imagine not having him for exploration. Then again, if there were 40 spots on the team. Then maybe a ton of fights could be one shot. Quake is probably the best if you can do quake marathons and have that much skill.
Like I said, I ramped up Aegon a bit and was just fine using IMIW on Path 1 and Torch/SS for their respective fights. Not that hard to grasp... Aegon isn't the best option for abyss. This post was made to point out the fact that there are indeed other options out there that have yet to come into the spotlight, even more possibly due to new synergies and Apocalypse.
Sure, there are other great options, but Aegon is still one of the best realistic Options.
Without Aegon it would be a whole lot harder. Your trying to tell me that doing Abyss without Aegon is better? Yikes. And I can’t imagine not having him for exploration. Then again, if there were 40 spots on the team. Then maybe a ton of fights could be one shot. Quake is probably the best if you can do quake marathons and have that much skill.
Like I said, I ramped up Aegon a bit and was just fine using IMIW on Path 1 and Torch/SS for their respective fights. Not that hard to grasp... Aegon isn't the best option for abyss. This post was made to point out the fact that there are indeed other options out there that have yet to come into the spotlight, even more possibly due to new synergies and Apocalypse.
Sure, there are other great options, but Aegon is still one of the best realistic Options.
Aegon is the best all around option if you’re being realistic. But I guess technically speaking Stealthy and Quake can solo most of the fights. No disrespect man.
Without Aegon it would be a whole lot harder. Your trying to tell me that doing Abyss without Aegon is better? Yikes. And I can’t imagine not having him for exploration. Then again, if there were 40 spots on the team. Then maybe a ton of fights could be one shot. Quake is probably the best if you can do quake marathons and have that much skill.
Like I said, I ramped up Aegon a bit and was just fine using IMIW on Path 1 and Torch/SS for their respective fights. Not that hard to grasp... Aegon isn't the best option for abyss. This post was made to point out the fact that there are indeed other options out there that have yet to come into the spotlight, even more possibly due to new synergies and Apocalypse.
Sure, there are other great options, but Aegon is still one of the best realistic Options.
He isn't even "one of", he's the best and that's not even debatable.
Without Aegon it would be a whole lot harder. Your trying to tell me that doing Abyss without Aegon is better? Yikes. And I can’t imagine not having him for exploration. Then again, if there were 40 spots on the team. Then maybe a ton of fights could be one shot. Quake is probably the best if you can do quake marathons and have that much skill.
Like I said, I ramped up Aegon a bit and was just fine using IMIW on Path 1 and Torch/SS for their respective fights. Not that hard to grasp... Aegon isn't the best option for abyss. This post was made to point out the fact that there are indeed other options out there that have yet to come into the spotlight, even more possibly due to new synergies and Apocalypse.
Sure, there are other great options, but Aegon is still one of the best realistic Options.
Look man... if you are going to ignore the facts just to cater to the mainstream audience, then by all means do so. But I have video evidence of him putting up reliable damage and have plenty more in the making (cyber monday deals and lol exploration to sig up Aegon & hopefully pull stealthy) I did the calculations with the boosts, masteries, and playstyle, ran a test trial, and got my results. Now I'm ready for abyss once the time comes... stealthy will probably not even be needed if I'm that confident. In no way am I talking nonsense, so to speak. It was well thought out and planned.
Without Aegon it would be a whole lot harder. Your trying to tell me that doing Abyss without Aegon is better? Yikes. And I can’t imagine not having him for exploration. Then again, if there were 40 spots on the team. Then maybe a ton of fights could be one shot. Quake is probably the best if you can do quake marathons and have that much skill.
Like I said, I ramped up Aegon a bit and was just fine using IMIW on Path 1 and Torch/SS for their respective fights. Not that hard to grasp... Aegon isn't the best option for abyss. This post was made to point out the fact that there are indeed other options out there that have yet to come into the spotlight, even more possibly due to new synergies and Apocalypse.
Sure, there are other great options, but Aegon is still one of the best realistic Options.
Look man... if you are going to ignore the facts just to cater to the mainstream audience, then by all means do so. But I have video evidence of him putting up reliable damage and have plenty more in the making (cyber monday deals and lol exploration to sig up Aegon & hopefully pull stealthy) I did the calculations with the boosts, masteries, and playstyle, ran a test trial, and got my results. Now I'm ready for abyss once the time comes... stealthy will probably not even be needed if I'm that confident.
My goodness, there are no facts here. Fight the Collector with IMIW, then we'll talk. The revives you save on the path is going to be nothing compared to the ones you have to spend on him.
I feel like this debate is taking place in the vacuum of the easy path. When you say “Aegon is not the best champ for Abyss,” you’re saying all paths, and that’s just not true. Aegon’s versatility for so many matchups, coupled with insane damage output (yes, he is capable of soloing the lower health pool fights if played properly) makes him the far and away best choice. I’ve done three runs thus far, gearing up for my fourth now, and wouldn’t replace him with anybody else.
@Savage Really cool stuff with the Iron Man Infinity War - The Quake fight and Omega fight were both pretty awesome!
It's really stressing me out though how you're saying that Aegon isn't a great option for Abyss. Abyss was literally designed with Aegon in mind - especially outside of the easy path.
Without Aegon it would be a whole lot harder. Your trying to tell me that doing Abyss without Aegon is better? Yikes. And I can’t imagine not having him for exploration. Then again, if there were 40 spots on the team. Then maybe a ton of fights could be one shot. Quake is probably the best if you can do quake marathons and have that much skill.
Like I said, I ramped up Aegon a bit and was just fine using IMIW on Path 1 and Torch/SS for their respective fights. Not that hard to grasp... Aegon isn't the best option for abyss. This post was made to point out the fact that there are indeed other options out there that have yet to come into the spotlight, even more possibly due to new synergies and Apocalypse.
Sure, there are other great options, but Aegon is still one of the best realistic Options.
Look man... if you are going to ignore the facts just to cater to the mainstream audience, then by all means do so. But I have video evidence of him putting up reliable damage and have plenty more in the making (cyber monday deals and lol exploration to sig up Aegon & hopefully pull stealthy) I did the calculations with the boosts, masteries, and playstyle, ran a test trial, and got my results. Now I'm ready for abyss once the time comes... stealthy will probably not even be needed if I'm that confident. In no way am I talking nonsense, so to speak. It was well thought out and planned.
Without Aegon it would be a whole lot harder. Your trying to tell me that doing Abyss without Aegon is better? Yikes. And I can’t imagine not having him for exploration. Then again, if there were 40 spots on the team. Then maybe a ton of fights could be one shot. Quake is probably the best if you can do quake marathons and have that much skill.
Like I said, I ramped up Aegon a bit and was just fine using IMIW on Path 1 and Torch/SS for their respective fights. Not that hard to grasp... Aegon isn't the best option for abyss. This post was made to point out the fact that there are indeed other options out there that have yet to come into the spotlight, even more possibly due to new synergies and Apocalypse.
Sure, there are other great options, but Aegon is still one of the best realistic Options.
Look man... if you are going to ignore the facts just to cater to the mainstream audience, then by all means do so. But I have video evidence of him putting up reliable damage and have plenty more in the making (cyber monday deals and lol exploration to sig up Aegon & hopefully pull stealthy) I did the calculations with the boosts, masteries, and playstyle, ran a test trial, and got my results. Now I'm ready for abyss once the time comes... stealthy will probably not even be needed if I'm that confident.
My goodness, there are no facts here. Fight the Collector with IMIW, then we'll talk. The revives you save on the path is going to be nothing compared to the ones you have to spend on him.
Fighting Collector with IMIW is just a silly idea because nothing in his abilities will be able to bypass that tenacity and he must play at a low health. Saving revives on the path is important because that just means more revives saved for Collector. Depending on how you go about fighting him depends on the number of revives you'll have to spend on Abyss Collector. Few have the guts to evade that sp1 which would actually be the best way to save health and lengthen your damage dealt before death. Yes, you may get unlucky and get stunned during your heavy but that's just how it goes. Why even bring that up when I'll be using Aegon for collector? Lol.
Without Aegon it would be a whole lot harder. Your trying to tell me that doing Abyss without Aegon is better? Yikes. And I can’t imagine not having him for exploration. Then again, if there were 40 spots on the team. Then maybe a ton of fights could be one shot. Quake is probably the best if you can do quake marathons and have that much skill.
Like I said, I ramped up Aegon a bit and was just fine using IMIW on Path 1 and Torch/SS for their respective fights. Not that hard to grasp... Aegon isn't the best option for abyss. This post was made to point out the fact that there are indeed other options out there that have yet to come into the spotlight, even more possibly due to new synergies and Apocalypse.
Sure, there are other great options, but Aegon is still one of the best realistic Options.
Look man... if you are going to ignore the facts just to cater to the mainstream audience, then by all means do so. But I have video evidence of him putting up reliable damage and have plenty more in the making (cyber monday deals and lol exploration to sig up Aegon & hopefully pull stealthy) I did the calculations with the boosts, masteries, and playstyle, ran a test trial, and got my results. Now I'm ready for abyss once the time comes... stealthy will probably not even be needed if I'm that confident.
My goodness, there are no facts here. Fight the Collector with IMIW, then we'll talk. The revives you save on the path is going to be nothing compared to the ones you have to spend on him.
Fighting Collector with IMIW is just a silly idea because nothing in his abilities will be able to bypass that tenacity and he must play at a low health. Saving revives on the path is important because that just means more revives saved for Collector. Depending on how you go about fighting him depends on the number of revives you'll have to spend on Abyss Collector. Few have the guts to evade that sp1 which would actually be the best way to save health and lengthen your damage dealt before death. Yes, you may get unlucky and get stunned during your heavy but that's just how it goes. Why even bring that up when I'll be using Aegon for collector? Lol.
Exactly! When you say Ægon isn't the best option, you have to keep the Abyss Collector in mind too. And as others have brought out, Ægon's versatile enough to do every path.
@Savage Really cool stuff with the Iron Man Infinity War - The Quake fight and Omega fight were both pretty awesome!
It's really stressing me out though how you're saying that Aegon isn't a great option for Abyss. Abyss was literally designed with Aegon in mind - especially outside of the easy path.
He's absolutely not overrated for it, at all haha
Aegon is only needed for a certain number of fights though. Masacre, Abyss Collector, and Modok comes to mind but if you really want a damage dealer to save you units, then why not use someone else? I'm just tired of seeing people spend thousands and thousands of units when it can likely be prevented. I've seen BG use Sabretooth and perform better than a great deal of runs I have witnessed. And he wasn't even using Sabretooth to his full potential if I remember.
@Savage Really cool stuff with the Iron Man Infinity War - The Quake fight and Omega fight were both pretty awesome!
It's really stressing me out though how you're saying that Aegon isn't a great option for Abyss. Abyss was literally designed with Aegon in mind - especially outside of the easy path.
He's absolutely not overrated for it, at all haha
Aegon is only needed for a certain number of fights though. Masacre, Abyss Collector, and Modok comes to mind but if you really want a damage dealer to save you units, then why not use someone else? I'm just tired of seeing people spend thousands and thousands of units when it can likely be prevented. I've seen BG use Sabretooth and perform better than a great deal of runs I have witnessed. And he wasn't even using Sabretooth to his full potential if I remember.
Lol, you don't need to talk to Miike about BG's run. He knows. But you also know that BG's one of the most skilled Youtubers, right? And he still used tons of revives with Sabertooth and I mean TONS of revives. Plus he used Void for most of the fights. I'd argue Void is a better lane clearing option than Sabertooth. I'm sure BG would too. In fact, he has. And Sabertooth wasn't good for the Collector either. But anyone that uses an alternate option says they wish they could use Ægon, and only ever use that alternate option for a single path.
@Savage Really cool stuff with the Iron Man Infinity War - The Quake fight and Omega fight were both pretty awesome!
It's really stressing me out though how you're saying that Aegon isn't a great option for Abyss. Abyss was literally designed with Aegon in mind - especially outside of the easy path.
He's absolutely not overrated for it, at all haha
Aegon is only needed for a certain number of fights though. Masacre, Abyss Collector, and Modok comes to mind but if you really want a damage dealer to save you units, then why not use someone else? I'm just tired of seeing people spend thousands and thousands of units when it can likely be prevented. I've seen BG use Sabretooth and perform better than a great deal of runs I have witnessed. And he wasn't even using Sabretooth to his full potential if I remember.
Lol, you don't need to talk to Miike about BG's run. He knows. But you also know that BG's one of the most skilled Youtubers, right? And he still used tons of revives with Sabertooth and I mean TONS of revives. Plus he used Void for most of the fights. I'd argue Void is a better lane clearing option than Sabertooth. I'm sure BG would too. In fact, he has. And Sabertooth wasn't good for the Collector either. But anyone that uses an alternate option says they wish they could use Ægon, and only ever use that alternate option for a single path.
This is spot on. BG has literally done anything in his power except whale out like crazy to get Aegon. He's committed literally everything to get Aegon because being the skilled player that he is, he knows how important Aegon is for the abyss. And yeah, BG actually said that he would use Void for the entirety of the Abyss if he was not streaming but because he streams his Abyss runs, he won't do that because it would be too boring for the viewers. It is actually insane how big the disparity between Aegon and the second best Abyss choice is. Aegon is clear.
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It's really stressing me out though how you're saying that Aegon isn't a great option for Abyss.
Abyss was literally designed with Aegon in mind - especially outside of the easy path.
He's absolutely not overrated for it, at all haha