If you are in an alliance that runs map6 you pay less over all gold even with the loss of 105000 if you run 3 bg map 6 x 5 days. Your battlechips and loyalty are about the same, gold would be 37000 less I posted the math in another thread. This is the new donation see battlechips and loyalty the same roughly slightly less. Gold minus the 105000 is 37000 less
This is old donation
I’m not into that much of maths. My basic point is, they shouldn’t have removed the gold. Gold is one of the worst requirement of this game and most of the community members are short on it. Instead of increasing it, they removed it. My suggestion here is either Kabam should increase the gold output or decrease the cost of rankups as well as aq tickets too. Games are intended for fun not for boredum (playing arenas for hours daily to get bc and gold).
I appreciate the re-opening of the thread @Kabam Miike. I’m sure that there will be plenty of discussion amongst ourselves with calculations and following questions. I hope that we, both the players and the Kabam team, can have a productive back and forth on this issue.
If you are in an alliance that runs map6 you pay less over all gold even with the loss of 105000 if you run 3 bg map 6 x 5 days. Your battlechips and loyalty are about the same, gold would be 37000 less I posted the math in another thread. This is the new donation see battlechips and loyalty the same roughly slightly less. Gold minus the 105000 is 37000 less
This is old donation
It’s nice to see that you can adjust ticket purchasing to remain nearly the same and cheaper gold, but I felt that their announcement gave the impression that it would be cheaper across all resources. In my opinion the split of tickets should remain even 25/25/25 and actually be cheaper in each category. I think this could easily be fixed by changing the scaling tables of the cost or simply reinstating our gold returns.
I really like @Kabam Miike , as he always creat some ambiguity and hot topics for discussions. He made this forum "live" . But i dont know what is more important, this forum or the game itself? Sir, I am really a big fan of this game and I have 2 accounts at the maximum level. I have seen many of us complaining kabam for receiving trash 5*s or 6*s. I do have very bad roaster, but its a part of game, so no need to complain upon that. But yeah the topic we are discussing here is a big concern. I would suggest you dear kabam that, business is different and fun/enjoyment is different. But its true that you are here for business and that is ethical. Game is yours and you have full authority to change as per your wishes. But for good business you need to make your customer happy and thats also true that you cant make everyone happy. But you have to address big messed ups and this is the one of them. Do the changes which encourage peoples to play this game more and if they are playing more definetly they will spend more. Make it easy and always think as a player, dont think as the owner of the game. that may help you to understand the frustration of gamers. "If you have given something pls dont take it back" , its better not to give initially. Anyway kabam, its a great game, I really dont bother if i upgrade my champ today or tomorrow. if you are giving less gold i will upgrade them a little later, this is same for all. whats the big deal in it? But frustrated peoples will leave and thats what i dont want. This is the only reason i am commenting on this discussion. Goodluck Kabam and his team.
Many alliances have lost very healthy treasuries that have been built up over years, without receiving anything back (because we hadn't donated over the amounts necessary for the maps we were playing during the last 5 months).
We used the treasuries to help support the development of our members by waiving donations so they could use what little gold they did have to rank up characters to support efforts in War or AQ - and we often relied on the treasury to support entries of one or 2 Battle groups into the higher maps (so that no one group felt more of a burden than the others in donations) - we would often only dip our toe into the higher maps for the experience and to improve (not always regular) so having that treasury allowed us to do this - for what was always a low impact cost to the individual summoner.
Now our treasury is completely gone and you expect the individual summoners to foot the bill of entry into the higher AQ maps. There is no way my alliance will be supporting a single BG playing a higher map now - given that only those 10 will be paying for it - and to make matters worse - they won't even get rewarded with gold anymore.
Gold, in fact, any reward should not be related to the cost of the map.. these 2 things should not be dependent.
It's not right to remove the rewards because you decide to adjust the cost of entry. Rewards reflect the difficulty, effort and time spent completing the map.
Whether entry to a map is free or not, is irrelevant - participating in AQ for any given summoner (and moreover the alliance as a whole in coordinating those completion efforts) is a huge commitment - on a 24hr basis for 5 days.
AQ is a big enough commitment without having to spend the remaining time in Arena. Even selling ISO for gold is really unacceptable - swapping one resource for another only creates problems elsewhere - and is just an unacceptable "solution".
To remove the gold rewards (or even reduce them) without prior warning (and even with prior warning!) shows a huge lack of respect for the player base, and is in complete contrast to the transparency that is continually promised.
At this point we really do have to ask if Kabam are intentionally sabotaging this game - are you trying to lose your entire player base, cause this is how you lose your player base!
All the time and effort spent building our treasury, years of teamwork, investment and generous donations from alliance members just to have that removed with no consideration for what that means to the player base; and then get slapped in the face in the process by reducing one of the only reliable and regular sources of gold in the game.
This was an intentional change, but one that we let slip from our communications. It was in our Comms, but somewhere in the editing process, it went missing. I am very sorry for that. Originally, the resource return in paid maps was to offset the cost of running the Map. With the significant reduction of cost to run Maps 6 and 7, we reduced the Gold returned.
For Map 5, the Gold received is reduced from 6500 to 1500 For Map 6, the Gold received is reduced from 7000 to 0.
With the reduction in the Gold that is needed, it should already mostly balance itself out if you use an even split of resources.
Map 5:
You got 97.500 - 65.625 (donations) = 31.875 gold gained.
Now its 22.500 gold gain.
Only you guys can make it "free" and more expensive.
And they "forgot to mention" this in the announcement, the revised announcement, or the long thread of people telling them this ticket system was a complete mess and poorly thought out.
@Kabam Miike so you guys lowered gold reward for map 5....are you going to also lower it for maps 2-3-4 as those maps give more gold now then 5? Explain that logic
@Kabam Miike so you guys lowered gold reward for map 5....are you going to also lower it for maps 2-3-4 as those maps give more gold now then 5? Explain that logic
I hope not. AQ is my main source for gold. I'm screwed if they do that.
This was an intentional change, but one that we let slip from our communications. It was in our Comms, but somewhere in the editing process, it went missing. I am very sorry for that. Originally, the resource return in paid maps was to offset the cost of running the Map. With the significant reduction of cost to run Maps 6 and 7, we reduced the Gold returned.
For Map 5, the Gold received is reduced from 6500 to 1500 For Map 6, the Gold received is reduced from 7000 to 0.
With the reduction in the Gold that is needed, it should already mostly balance itself out if you use an even split of resources.
Map 5:
You got 97.500 - 65.625 (donations) = 31.875 gold gained.
Now its 22.500 gold gain.
Only you guys can make it "free" and more expensive.
This was an intentional change, but one that we let slip from our communications. It was in our Comms, but somewhere in the editing process, it went missing. I am very sorry for that. Originally, the resource return in paid maps was to offset the cost of running the Map. With the significant reduction of cost to run Maps 6 and 7, we reduced the Gold returned.
For Map 5, the Gold received is reduced from 6500 to 1500 For Map 6, the Gold received is reduced from 7000 to 0.
With the reduction in the Gold that is needed, it should already mostly balance itself out if you use an even split of resources.
Map 5:
You got 97.500 - 65.625 (donations) = 31.875 gold gained.
Now its 22.500 gold gain.
Only you guys can make it "free" and more expensive.
What the hell?
Okay I was wrong here on the math.
You I did use -12,5% for the donation. If you do it without its +- 0
I still dont understand why tho. Is it so bad to earn a bit more gold on the lower lvls?
Kabam is not going to do anything about that. I made a post yesterday which was deleted 5 minutes after posting and I got warned. Seems like I break the terms of service because of having an other opinion. They told me that I have to take the decision of the team if I like it or not. I have the conversation here but they just delete it again.
They said I have to respect the decision. On my question „if they respect their players“ I got no answer yet.
So let’s all just be Good kids and do what Mama kabam is saying.
For the gold return to be "equal" for everyone, there should be no more free maps. Lower maps should have to pay some also, or you could make all maps free and give gold on all of them. Lets be fair for once Kabam if they get free rewards for their maps why is it such a big deal for gold return on high maps.
This is a pretty huge cut back in gold overall lol gonna push a lot of players to get back into that arena grind many of them don’t even want to do just to rank champs up. That or buy gold crystals(that was the main goal here right? Lol). But the communication on this part once again was bad lol I mean how are you “forgetting” to mention things so consistently? lol
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I’m not into that much of maths. My basic point is, they shouldn’t have removed the gold. Gold is one of the worst requirement of this game and most of the community members are short on it. Instead of increasing it, they removed it.
My suggestion here is either Kabam should increase the gold output or decrease the cost of rankups as well as aq tickets too. Games are intended for fun not for boredum (playing arenas for hours daily to get bc and gold).
I’m 90% convinced , you are trying to drive people away !
Anyway kabam, its a great game, I really dont bother if i upgrade my champ today or tomorrow. if you are giving less gold i will upgrade them a little later, this is same for all. whats the big deal in it? But frustrated peoples will leave and thats what i dont want. This is the only reason i am commenting on this discussion.
Goodluck Kabam and his team.
We used the treasuries to help support the development of our members by waiving donations so they could use what little gold they did have to rank up characters to support efforts in War or AQ - and we often relied on the treasury to support entries of one or 2 Battle groups into the higher maps (so that no one group felt more of a burden than the others in donations) - we would often only dip our toe into the higher maps for the experience and to improve (not always regular) so having that treasury allowed us to do this - for what was always a low impact cost to the individual summoner.
Now our treasury is completely gone and you expect the individual summoners to foot the bill of entry into the higher AQ maps. There is no way my alliance will be supporting a single BG playing a higher map now - given that only those 10 will be paying for it - and to make matters worse - they won't even get rewarded with gold anymore.
Gold, in fact, any reward should not be related to the cost of the map.. these 2 things should not be dependent.
It's not right to remove the rewards because you decide to adjust the cost of entry. Rewards reflect the difficulty, effort and time spent completing the map.
Whether entry to a map is free or not, is irrelevant - participating in AQ for any given summoner (and moreover the alliance as a whole in coordinating those completion efforts) is a huge commitment - on a 24hr basis for 5 days.
AQ is a big enough commitment without having to spend the remaining time in Arena. Even selling ISO for gold is really unacceptable - swapping one resource for another only creates problems elsewhere - and is just an unacceptable "solution".
To remove the gold rewards (or even reduce them) without prior warning (and even with prior warning!) shows a huge lack of respect for the player base, and is in complete contrast to the transparency that is continually promised.
At this point we really do have to ask if Kabam are intentionally sabotaging this game - are you trying to lose your entire player base, cause this is how you lose your player base!
All the time and effort spent building our treasury, years of teamwork, investment and generous donations from alliance members just to have that removed with no consideration for what that means to the player base; and then get slapped in the face in the process by reducing one of the only reliable and regular sources of gold in the game.
Shame on you Kabam!
You got 97.500 - 65.625 (donations) = 31.875 gold gained.
Now its 22.500 gold gain.
Only you guys can make it "free" and more expensive.
What the hell?
You I did use -12,5% for the donation.
If you do it without its +- 0
I still dont understand why tho.
Is it so bad to earn a bit more gold on the lower lvls?
They told me that I have to take the decision of the team if I like it or not. I have the conversation here but they just delete it again.
They said I have to respect the decision. On my question „if they respect their players“ I got no answer yet.
So let’s all just be Good kids and do what Mama kabam is saying.
just .....