AQ Map 6 Gold Cost is Actually Increasing...

Hello,

Recently I posted about what I thought were "missing" gold rewards for completing map 6 this weekin the bugs forum. In a different thread (that has since been closed) we were notified that gold was intentionally removed from the AQ daily completion rewards and was being offset but an overall reduction in gold costs in the new ticket system. Here is a link to the closed forum post:

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/201357/where-is-the-gold-from-aq

However, when I do the math it now appears that the cost of running map 6 is actually INCREASING, particularly the more days you run map 6 given the scaling increase in gold per additional ticket bought this way. Here is the math so far as I can see it:

Old cost of running map 6x5 in all 3 battle groups per player:

Total Gold Cost: 8,750,000
Per Player Gold Cost per run: 291,667 (however the actual cost in terms of weekly donations was actually 12.5% less than this because the AQ cycle is 8 days long and donations ran on a 7 day schedule)
Effective Player gold cost per run: 255,208
Gold reward for completing map 6 all 5 days: 7000 per battle group x 3 battle groups x 5 days = 105,000

If I subtract the rewards from the cost I come to the figure:

Per player gold cost per run (unadjusted): 186,667
Per player gold cost (with 12.5 reduction that most alliances applied): 150208

Under the new ticket system to run 6x5 you need 75 tickets (15 tickets per run x 5 runs).

If evenly distributed between loyalty, gold and battle chips this means buying 25 tickets with gold.

At present 25 tickets cost 170,185.

So in summation without the adjustment you are saving only ~10k gold per week if you evenly distribute your resources. However given weekly adjustment that most alliances applied to donations, the cost actually INCREASES by ~20k per week.

Am I missing something? I would love some feedback from Kabam or other math savvy summoners!

Comments

Thanks_D19

Dang we are getting big time screwed, make sure to copy and send sate that into a google document in case kabam deletes this so this isn’t lost

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Panchulon21

Nope I thought the same by doing basic math like you did. This is actually going to cost more.

For me even more I used to trade my gold for loyalty and with our huge stash it only cost me 250k gold and no loyalty. That was me covering someone’s gold fully and they covering my loyalty fully. Now no one can cover my loyalty and I’ll be spending 350k in gold weekly (not using the other forms to get tickets) and on top of that no return on gold? When map gets return on gold when they don’t even need to buy tickets man that’s cray

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LilMaddogHT

@Cendar333 your math is spot on. The overall cost for AQ if you run a map 6 all week for 3 BGs and you buy your tickets evenly across resources, it will cost you an extra 20,000 Gold per AQ since they have take out the Gold reward for exploring Map 6.

The overall Gold cost is NOT reduced, it is increased.

Speeds80

True face palm moment, now is probably when they will make cavalier gold crystals available for unit purchases, Probably with 5x the golf payout for 7x The unit cost

Speeds80

It’s the detachment from discussion and closing down the threads instantly that really bothers me, shows their intolerance towards constructive criticism, health of the game = enjoyability, instant and obvious push for more grind or more pay to progress gonna burnout some big spenders kt1 literally joined my silver alliance briefly this morning, must be looking to step back from the grind

shashankchrome

Also, going by Kabam's rationale that they mentioned that the reason for removing the gold rewards was that costs were lessened. Then why was the gold reward removed from Map 6, but not from Map 5, which is actually free and has zero cost attached to it?

In fact, the gold reward for Map 5 was also reduced from 6k to 1.5 k, IIRC.

AzKicker316

The previous costs of doing all map 6 per person, which included their discount was
255208 gold
25521 chips
18229 loyalty

If you use those resources evenly to get 75 tickets, the cost is (see pic)

There are increases, but not with gold

Sportsfan365

The previous costs of doing all map 6 per person, which included their discount was
255208 gold
25521 chips
18229 loyalty

If you use those resources evenly to get 75 tickets, the cost is (see pic)

There are increases, but not with gold

Definitely correct. OP is wrong

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KnightZero

You should compare the ticket cost to unadjusted cost. The tickets are for 8 days. So you shouldn’t compare it to 7 days donations but to 8 days of cost.

Even if you take the unadjusted cost, your basically at ground zero according to the post.. What is the point of reducing the prices then? Comes out to the same cost.

The previous costs of doing all map 6 per person, which included their discount was
255208 gold
25521 chips
18229 loyalty

If you use those resources evenly to get 75 tickets, the cost is (see pic)

There are increases, but not with gold

You're not taking into account the Gold that we got back from Map 6. Keep that in play and donations are the same or higher as said above.

Sportsfan365

You're not taking into account the Gold that we got back from Map 6. Keep that in play and donations are the same or higher as said above.

We got back 7,000 G from map 6. 7,000 x 5 is 35,000. Subtract that from the old amount needed of 255,208 you get 220,208. Still less than the new amount needed of 188,449

KnightZero

You're not taking into account the Gold that we got back from Map 6. Keep that in play and donations are the same or higher as said above.
We got back 7,000 G from map 6. 7,000 x 5 is 35,000. Subtract that from the old amount needed of 255,208 you get 220,208. Still less than the new amount needed of 188,449

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it 7k per BG? If not, then should be fine. Even so, doubt giving us 35k gold in such a case is hard for them.

It is cheaper and you are better off gold wise. If you run. Map 66666. Note you are not getting 105,000 gold like before. Here is the old cost

If you spent about the same on battlechips and loyalty. Gold is less
This is 75 tickets.

Roughly 37000 gold cheaper to run now, so one level on a 6 star.

Makes sense if you split it that way. Good calculation.

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Wiredawg1

Either way they said it suppose to be cheaper...but in reality it isn’t

Cendar333

@AzKicker316 you are forgetting to account for the fact that they removed the 105k gold each week you get in rewards for running 6x5. That's what all of my math above was trying to illustrate

TyEdge

Either way they said it suppose to be cheaper...but in reality it isn’t

It’s especially not cheaper for the next two months if you were in a mixed map group. Map 5 players subsidized map 6 runs for stronger BGs. Now they pay nothing and map6 players bear the entire burden of the entry fee AND have to play more AND use more resources to clear...all to share the same rewards for two months.

ItsDamien

Either way they said it suppose to be cheaper...but in reality it isn’t
It’s especially not cheaper for the next two months if you were in a mixed map group. Map 5 players subsidized map 6 runs for stronger BGs. Now they pay nothing and map6 players bear the entire burden of the entry fee AND have to play more AND use more resources to clear...all to share the same rewards for two months.

That's an issue for an alliance to bring up with their donation policies.

KnightZero

Just realized that previously, if you were trading Gold for BC in a Map 6 alliance, you could donate 50k Bc for 90 units, basically getting Gold and BC donated. Now, if you want 25 tickets of BC paid by units, it's 75 units.

Cendar333

Just ran a little bit more math:

If you need to buy only 3 more tickets with gold due to a lack of either loyalty or battle chips your gold cost does increase

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28 tickets costs 191,794

Even using the 8 day figure the cost of each map 6 run was 186,667

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CRE4TOR

Either way they said it suppose to be cheaper...but in reality it isn’t
It’s especially not cheaper for the next two months if you were in a mixed map group. Map 5 players subsidized map 6 runs for stronger BGs. Now they pay nothing and map6 players bear the entire burden of the entry fee AND have to play more AND use more resources to clear...all to share the same rewards for two months.

That's an issue for an alliance to bring up with their donation policies.

It shouldn’t have to be... the point of splitting the maps in the first place was to allow Alliances to maintain a more diverse player base.... stronger ally’s can bring in smaller accounts and let them grow with the help of stronger accounts. Helps build the structure and camaraderie. Something the game CONSISTENTLY BREAKS WITH EACH UPDATE. Now this not only hurts the players that run the higher map, it will make them move to ally’s with a more even player base.... completely negating the reason for mixed maps. Might as well revert back to the entire ally running the same map. remove the function completely. It’s an unfair adaption and penalty to players wanting to actually help an ally.

WithWings420

Kabam needs to change this and change it fast!!!!! They need to reply to this and reverse this ASAP!!!

TyEdge

Either way they said it suppose to be cheaper...but in reality it isn’t
It’s especially not cheaper for the next two months if you were in a mixed map group. Map 5 players subsidized map 6 runs for stronger BGs. Now they pay nothing and map6 players bear the entire burden of the entry fee AND have to play more AND use more resources to clear...all to share the same rewards for two months.

That's an issue for an alliance to bring up with their donation policies.

Kabam literally said it can’t be fixed until they fix it sometime in August. There are no gifting badges, and there are no options to have players pay any entry fees other than their own. If you have a solution for the next 60 days, please explain what I’m missing in more than one sentence.

Masterpuff

Hello,

Recently I posted about what I thought were "missing" gold rewards for completing map 6 this weekin the bugs forum. In a different thread (that has since been closed) we were notified that gold was intentionally removed from the AQ daily completion rewards and was being offset but an overall reduction in gold costs in the new ticket system. Here is a link to the closed forum post:

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/201357/where-is-the-gold-from-aq

However, when I do the math it now appears that the cost of running map 6 is actually INCREASING, particularly the more days you run map 6 given the scaling increase in gold per additional ticket bought this way. Here is the math so far as I can see it:

Old cost of running map 6x5 in all 3 battle groups per player:

Total Gold Cost: 8,750,000
Per Player Gold Cost per run: 291,667 (however the actual cost in terms of weekly donations was actually 12.5% less than this because the AQ cycle is 8 days long and donations ran on a 7 day schedule)
Effective Player gold cost per run: 255,208
Gold reward for completing map 6 all 5 days: 7000 per battle group x 3 battle groups x 5 days = 105,000

If I subtract the rewards from the cost I come to the figure:

Per player gold cost per run (unadjusted): 186,667
Per player gold cost (with 12.5 reduction that most alliances applied): 150208

Under the new ticket system to run 6x5 you need 75 tickets (15 tickets per run x 5 runs).

If evenly distributed between loyalty, gold and battle chips this means buying 25 tickets with gold.

At present 25 tickets cost 170,185.

So in summation without the adjustment you are saving only ~10k gold per week if you evenly distribute your resources. However given weekly adjustment that most alliances applied to donations, the cost actually INCREASES by ~20k per week.

Am I missing something? I would love some feedback from Kabam or other math savvy summoners!

I have realized something along those lines- but personally the change is so little, I though why bother bothering kabam. Let them focus on fixing the parts of the game that are so terrible people want to quit.

KnightZero

@Kabam Miike one aim of the Alliance tickets was to reduce donations. As per the thread itself. Do you see that if you split it evenly, 25 tickets per resource, Map 6 pays more in 2 categories, and barely gets a discount in the third? Map 7 folks get reduced donations, Map 6 suffers? How does this system benefit us? Pandering to Map 7 or the top alliances while shafting the others doesn't help.

CRE4TOR

And NO ONEs brought up the point of compounding costs for using the same donation....

What is even the point of it....

I can SLIGHTLY understand it when it comes to choosing rewards in event prize stores...

But in something that we’re forced to pay every week, day in and day out. Seems like a pointless drain of resources for a mandatory game mode.

and by manditory... you know what I mean... so don’t reply with an idiotic reply.

Demonzfyre

@Kabam Miike one aim of the Alliance tickets was to reduce donations. As per the thread itself. Do you see that if you split it evenly, 25 tickets per resource, Map 6 pays more in 2 categories, and barely gets a discount in the third? Map 7 folks get reduced donations, Map 6 suffers? How does this system benefit us? Pandering to Map 7 or the top alliances while shafting the others doesn't help.

Map 6 according to @AzKicker316 is less than I ever paid for donations. When we were doing map 6x5x3 our dono's were 235k for gold.

The good thing about this is, you can use whatever resources you want to offset the others.

hungryhungrybbq

Let's face it. Any way you slice it, the way the original ticket system announcement was worded was misleading. Plain and simple. They somehow forgot to include the part where they are removing 105k gold income per week for map 6 players. The original announcement suggested that this new system would actually lower the cost of AQ. While technically correct, it was very misleading when you forget to announce that you will also be losing 105k gold per week.

Now, after we the players were forced to find out for ourselves and bring it up, the message has changed. They are now basically saying.. "well, yeah..it's kind of wash though cause of the reduced cost..". Which is quite a departure in position from their original message .. "AQ costs are being reduced guys!".