they should change the final 10%. Why should you have to dex the chamion's specials to deal damage. the specials are very close and it varies from champion to champion. It takes a lot of time and practice to get the right timing to even count as a dex. Additionally it is one of the most useless skills to have outside of 6.2.6 where else will you have to dex the champion's specials. I think that kabam should change it to something else that can help you outside of 6.2.6 like intercepting or heavy countering.
Why should you have to block, dex, or eat the Grandmasters sp1 to get tokens? Bc it's the design of the fight. It's a skill that players need to learn to beat it and I don't see anyone complaining about the Grandmaster. They're not complaining bc it's much easier to learn
That fight can be done with literary anyone unlike the champion. Besides having to have the right counters, you have learn a very useless skill that won't help you anywhere else. Also the champion has even more nodes on top of all that.
Actually, the Champion can theoretically be solo'd by any champion (to the extent of my knowledge. Please correct me if I'm wrong), while the Grandmaster cannot be solo'd by all champions, such as champions who lack crits and DOT effects.
Theoretically yes, if you manage to play absolutely perfectly and have the AI be incredibly passive during his Unstoppable phase to the point where he just stops attacking and stays perfectly still, yes any champ can beat him. Realistically, there are around 11 counters plus the newer champs like Red Guardian, Sorcerer Supreme, and Mojo.
I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement.
Thank you for correcting me. I'm still skeptical about Crossbone/Guilly 2099 against the GM, though.
I redact my statement. Both the Champion and GM are solo-able with anyone.
I mean... If by "solo-able" you mean "100% hypothetical and 100% dependent on ai-behavior", sure the champion is solo-able with anyone.
However, that's not what people mean.
When they say "you can solo the grandmaster with anyone" they mean you can pick any champ regardless of their individual abilities and simply play well and win the fight.
When they say "you need at least one of the few available counters to beat the champion" they mean that you need some way to handle his abilities otherwise you'll at some point end up in the corner against an unstoppable beast of a champ merely being able to say "byebye".
And soloing the champion is still a massive accomplishment even with the best counters.
Either way this is not about what is hypothetically doable, this is about what has been shown to be doable by the community.
People didn't read through the grandmasters abilities and figure "I think I could do that with cyclops". They actually did it.
I don't believe people simply didn't come up with the idea to try out cyclops of superior iron man against the 6.2. champion. They simply understand that that wouldn't work.
That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."
I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.
My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.
I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.
Context.
The champion boss cannot be soloed by any Champion. The unstoppable and block penetration cancels all of that. You don't need to lie to get yiur point across.
However, you of course switched the main topic of argument which was about SOLOing a fight.
If I can SOLO a fight with no other champ or item helping me on my road to victory, then whatever champ I used is a counter to that fight.
Thank you.
So that makes every single character in the game a counter to every other character? Yeah, that's not how counters work, sweetie.
Actually, by your definition, the GM has ZERO counters then. Because not a single champ can “repute, oppose, or nullify” his abilities. Aw man...I guess Kabam should nerf the GM fight so we can finally have some counters.
What I said does NOT mean every character is a counter to every fight. Lol please try Daredevil against 6.2.2 Sinister and tell me if he can SOLO it. Again meaning no help from any other champ OR item!
IF daredevil could SOLO him, then he would be a counter. However, that is IMPOSSIBLE without help from your entire revive stash.
The likelihood of low damage output champs that can't shut the regen down to be able to get that fight down is basically 0%. You do need champs that can counter as least certain aspects of that fight. That doesn't inherently make it bad design though. You need counters to things all over this game. It's a key component of the game's design.
You want a fight that's bad design due to counters needed? The Acid Wash Mysterio is a prime example. There's 2 champions that can actually counter those requirements and they're both terrible. So the vast majority of players just take in aegon, corvus, ghost, or someone else with high damage output and ignore the node all together and have a labyrinth fight in the middle of the path.
Due to the regeneration and the amount of dexing you have to do more than 90% of champions can't beat the Champion boss. Its a waste of time to argue it. Kabam will nerf the fight whether people like it or not. Its holding players back and it will get nerfed. Its weird to care unless they don't give compensation.
Due to the regeneration and the amount of dexing you have to do more than 90% of champions can't beat the Champion boss. Its a waste of time to argue it. Kabam will nerf the fight whether people like it or not. Its holding players back and it will get nerfed. Its weird to care unless they don't give compensation.
Not sure I'd go quite as high as 90%. You really don't think there are 15-20 that can do it? I can think of at least 17 off the top of my head. Will most of them solo? Probably not but they can get it down.
I don't personally care if it gets changed. I don't care if they give out compensation or not. That doesn't change the fact that I don't think it's near as hard as people like to act like it is.
Due to the regeneration and the amount of dexing you have to do more than 90% of champions can't beat the Champion boss. Its a waste of time to argue it. Kabam will nerf the fight whether people like it or not. Its holding players back and it will get nerfed. Its weird to care unless they don't give compensation.
Not sure I'd go quite as high as 90%. You really don't think there are 15-20 that can do it? I can think of at least 17 off the top of my head. Will most of them solo? Probably not but they can get it down.
I don't personally care if it gets changed. I don't care if they give out compensation or not. That doesn't change the fact that I don't think it's near as hard as people like to act like it is.
I probably wouldn’t think it’s very hard either if I had your roster. Lol just sayin...
Due to the regeneration and the amount of dexing you have to do more than 90% of champions can't beat the Champion boss. Its a waste of time to argue it. Kabam will nerf the fight whether people like it or not. Its holding players back and it will get nerfed. Its weird to care unless they don't give compensation.
Not sure I'd go quite as high as 90%. You really don't think there are 15-20 that can do it? I can think of at least 17 off the top of my head. Will most of them solo? Probably not but they can get it down.
I don't personally care if it gets changed. I don't care if they give out compensation or not. That doesn't change the fact that I don't think it's near as hard as people like to act like it is.
I probably wouldn’t think it’s very hard either if I had your roster. Lol just sayin...
I could do the last 10% with literally any champ that negates his unstoppable and probably a few that can't even do that.
I'd be willing to bet that I could get through that fight with a lot of people's roster that say they don't have the right champs as well.
I would rather see them address 5* champ acquisition than making severe changes to content personally but that's just me
I can agree to that. I’d only like to see them change the No Retreat node and make the indestructible charges persistent. I can get them off pretty reliably now but even still sometimes would get 3-4 charges then mess up. Plus I think about people doing it for the first time who don’t have a roster like mine..let alone like yours lol
Due to the regeneration and the amount of dexing you have to do more than 90% of champions can't beat the Champion boss. Its a waste of time to argue it. Kabam will nerf the fight whether people like it or not. Its holding players back and it will get nerfed. Its weird to care unless they don't give compensation.
Not sure I'd go quite as high as 90%. You really don't think there are 15-20 that can do it? I can think of at least 17 off the top of my head. Will most of them solo? Probably not but they can get it down.
I don't personally care if it gets changed. I don't care if they give out compensation or not. That doesn't change the fact that I don't think it's near as hard as people like to act like it is.
When I say 90% of champions I mean who can 100% 6.2.6 initial clear is relatively easy. This has never just been about initial clear. Name 17 champions that are no retreat viable. I'll be waiting forever to get that answer.
My solution is simple. Just give the champion 1 indestructible charge. You demostrate the same skill but you don't have to do it 5 times. Happy medium. But I guarantee people will have issues with that even though they say its about the skill lol.
Due to the regeneration and the amount of dexing you have to do more than 90% of champions can't beat the Champion boss. Its a waste of time to argue it. Kabam will nerf the fight whether people like it or not. Its holding players back and it will get nerfed. Its weird to care unless they don't give compensation.
Not sure I'd go quite as high as 90%. You really don't think there are 15-20 that can do it? I can think of at least 17 off the top of my head. Will most of them solo? Probably not but they can get it down.
I don't personally care if it gets changed. I don't care if they give out compensation or not. That doesn't change the fact that I don't think it's near as hard as people like to act like it is.
When I say 90% of champions I mean who can 100% 6.2.6 initial clear is relatively easy. This has never just been about initial clear. Name 17 champions that are no retreat viable. I'll be waiting forever to get that answer.
My solution is simple. Just give the champion 1 indestructible charge. You demostrate the same skill but you don't have to do it 5 times. Happy medium. But I guarantee people will have issues with that even though they say its about the skill lol.
You could trip and fall into getting one charge off. Being able to do it consistently is the skill.
I've never argued with you that no retreat is probably too much for a lot of players. I'd gladly see it removed and have said so multiple times.
For a group a people that are always asking for skill to be rewarded, they sure do seem to have a problem with it being required.
Due to the regeneration and the amount of dexing you have to do more than 90% of champions can't beat the Champion boss. Its a waste of time to argue it. Kabam will nerf the fight whether people like it or not. Its holding players back and it will get nerfed. Its weird to care unless they don't give compensation.
Not sure I'd go quite as high as 90%. You really don't think there are 15-20 that can do it? I can think of at least 17 off the top of my head. Will most of them solo? Probably not but they can get it down.
I don't personally care if it gets changed. I don't care if they give out compensation or not. That doesn't change the fact that I don't think it's near as hard as people like to act like it is.
When I say 90% of champions I mean who can 100% 6.2.6 initial clear is relatively easy. This has never just been about initial clear. Name 17 champions that are no retreat viable. I'll be waiting forever to get that answer.
My solution is simple. Just give the champion 1 indestructible charge. You demostrate the same skill but you don't have to do it 5 times. Happy medium. But I guarantee people will have issues with that even though they say its about the skill lol.
You could trip and fall into getting one charge off. Being able to do it consistently is the skill.
I've never argued with you that no retreat is probably too much for a lot of players. I'd gladly see it removed and have said so multiple times.
For a group a people that are always asking for skill to be rewarded, they sure do seem to have a problem with it being required.
If you can do it once thats the skill. The 5 times is just to punish players unnecessarily. You can leave the no retreat node on all the block damage and still be challenging.
I’m sick Of hearing about ‘block’ damage and high attack rating!!!! Stop blocking and intercept, basic skills that are needed.
This is end game content!
Don’t disagree there, but the 6.2.6 champion is the discussion here. And you’re gonna take block damage in this fight. There’s almost no way around it. Nobody at the point of 6.2 is just standing there the entire time letting the AI combo into their block.
Where is the block damage you have to take? Are you referring to getting the dex off his specials? Bc you don't have to take any block damage from that at all, you just bait his sp1, back up, wait for the 2nd to last hit, dash back in, then dex the last hit, go back in for a combo, and repeat until you get 5.
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What I said does NOT mean every character is a counter to every fight. Lol please try Daredevil against 6.2.2 Sinister and tell me if he can SOLO it. Again meaning no help from any other champ OR item!
IF daredevil could SOLO him, then he would be a counter. However, that is IMPOSSIBLE without help from your entire revive stash.
You want a fight that's bad design due to counters needed? The Acid Wash Mysterio is a prime example. There's 2 champions that can actually counter those requirements and they're both terrible. So the vast majority of players just take in aegon, corvus, ghost, or someone else with high damage output and ignore the node all together and have a labyrinth fight in the middle of the path.
I don't personally care if it gets changed. I don't care if they give out compensation or not. That doesn't change the fact that I don't think it's near as hard as people like to act like it is.
I'd be willing to bet that I could get through that fight with a lot of people's roster that say they don't have the right champs as well.
My solution is simple. Just give the champion 1 indestructible charge. You demostrate the same skill but you don't have to do it 5 times. Happy medium. But I guarantee people will have issues with that even though they say its about the skill lol.
I've never argued with you that no retreat is probably too much for a lot of players. I'd gladly see it removed and have said so multiple times.
For a group a people that are always asking for skill to be rewarded, they sure do seem to have a problem with it being required.
Please can we have any response on this 6.2.6 Champion boss?
Whole community is waiting.
“Hugs and kisses.”