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Is It Worth Running Half Suicides? I Maxed LC Expecting A Lot But Got Disappointed

FuzzycatFuzzycat Posts: 87
edited June 2020 in Strategy and Tips
I went max on LC today for the first time and did a test drive on Map 5 (last day of AQ) with 5/65 Ghost, Corvus and Captain America (Infinity War). TBH, I didn't notice much difference in the basic attack damage. The only visible difference was the loss of health on sp2 (due to recoil set at lvl. 1).

Frankly speaking, I was expecting a more visible improvement in attack damage from a maxed LC. The whole experience has been underwhelming so far and I am quite disappointed, to say the least.

Am I missing something? Should I run full suicides? Or is something wrong with my mastery setup? And, most importantly, should I at all be running suicides for AQ (5x5 with modifier) and AW and monthly UC event quests and for moderate arena grinding? Thank you so much in advance for your suggestions and tips.





Comments

  • FuzzycatFuzzycat Posts: 87
    Daphboy said:

    I run 6x5, t3-4 wars, monthly UC and run full suicides. I too messed around initially thinking it’s worthwhile to run LC or DE, but especially in the cases of ghost and corvus noticed they really need both at max for optimal damage/efficiency.
    With both maxed, most non boss fights are over with a single sp2 so recoil really doesn’t have too much of an impact on those 2 champs especially.

    I say go all out on DE as well, you won’t regret it.

    Thank you so much for your suggestion. Actually initially I was contemplating trying out maxed full suicides but I was worried about the immense health damage the champs would take (and consequently, the units I may have to spend on the alliance health potions).

    However, now that you've suggested it, I would like to try out maxed full suicides. In this regard, what do you think would be the best attack and defense mastery setup for maxed full suicides?
  • SeraphionSeraphion Posts: 1,496 ★★★★
    edited June 2020
    I run half suicides as well but with Double Egde bc I dont like to have my healing reduced by 30% and + healblock fights etc and bc I run Omega Domino and Corvus.

    I would also suggest you put at least 4 points from Pacify and Petrify into Courage (with suicides and you end up below 50% often) and Glass Cannon (more damage).

    And I m very happy with the damage increase I got from half suicides. I run them since almost a year now.

    If you want to have a look at mine:




  • King_Leo321King_Leo321 Posts: 1,211 ★★★
    No cause you are taking recoil and if you really gonna take recoil damage then ma sit worth.
  • AdixRajAdixRaj Posts: 114
    Record the same fight before and after suicides , see the difference in numbers , it’s definitely there , whether you run half or full suicides

    I prefer only DE since it dosent affect healing through WP and regen
  • FuzzycatFuzzycat Posts: 87
    Seraphion said:

    I run half suicides as well but with Double Egde bc I dont like to have my healing reduced by 30% and + healblock fights etc and bc I run Omega Domino and Corvus.

    I would also suggest you put at least 4 points from Pacify and Petrify into Courage (with suicides and you end up below 50% often) and Glass Cannon (more damage).

    And I m very happy with the damage increase I got from half suicides. I run them since almost a year now.

    If you want to have a look at mine:




    Thank you so much for sharing your mastery. I was wondering - with just maxed willpower (and no coagulate), doesn't DE cause more health damage to the champ, than LC (even though LC means 30% reduction in healing)? Or am I getting the math wrong? I thought LC causes less health damage to a champ than DE from watching this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh0hkEPEyx4&t=342s
  • FuzzycatFuzzycat Posts: 87
    AdixRaj said:

    Record the same fight before and after suicides , see the difference in numbers , it’s definitely there , whether you run half or full suicides

    I prefer only DE since it dosent affect healing through WP and regen

    I agree that LC reduces healing by 30% but with just WP maxed and no coagulate (which is expensive to set up, as it requires additional mastery points PLUS carbonadium mastery core), isn't LC a better option (in terms of cost) than DE if I'm running half suicides?

    Also, my understanding is LC causes health damage of 0.6% per tick when compared to 20% over 16 seconds. With just maxed WP (when running maxed LC), isn't the health damage caused to a champ less than the health damage maxed DE (even with maxed WP + maxed Coagulate) would cause to a champ?
  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Posts: 11,591 ★★★★★
    Half suicides aren’t good imo, it’s all or nothing, the vast majority of the negative is recoil, not lc and de
  • rivetrivet Posts: 254
    If you run DE, Corvus will heal at beginning of every fight instead of losing heath, I definitely noticed the attack difference even with half suicide, but with full suicide, it is more obvious, also, if you run DE only, Corvus heal a lot each fight as healing is not reduced by 30%. Anyway, if you are running suicide, full suicide is the way to go
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