Dev Diary: The Future of Quests

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  • H3t3rH3t3r Posts: 1,311 ★★★★
    So the next dev diary got delayed. Im guessing the ones that were supposed to come after that one will also be delayed?
  • KnightZeroKnightZero Posts: 760 ★★★
    edited June 2020

    I could be wrong but I read the attack reduction being more targeted at 6.3 and 6.4

    6.3 and 6.4 are the only chapters where attack went crazy. 6.1 and 6.2 were already easily manageable
    Yup agree with this. Also agree that the reduction in attack is a bit too much. Never expected it to be that much. 20-30% would have been fine. Maybe bosses to 35-40%. And 6.1/6.2 don't need a reduction.
  • Mcord11758Mcord11758 Posts: 1,257 ★★★★
    Attacks before 6.3 are not bad at all and are still manageable in 6.3 and 6.4. The issue is some nodes and some encounters
  • KnightZeroKnightZero Posts: 760 ★★★

    Attacks before 6.3 are not bad at all and are still manageable in 6.3 and 6.4. The issue is some nodes and some encounters

    Yup. The encounters being very specific is the problem. Though with attack reduction, can use weaker champs to go through the lanes. Rather than wait for only better counters. Still don't think we needed 60% reduction though.
  • TheTalentsTheTalents Posts: 1,665 ★★★★★
    The attack reduction will defintley help but it doesn't mean unskilled players will cake walk through act 6. It just means instead of 3 to 4 revives on a really hard fight it will be 2 because you won't instantly die on a mistake.

    I think Kabam will relay on higher rewards in side quests. Thats the direction they're headed.
  • tkhan08tkhan08 Posts: 182 ★★
    edited June 2020
    One of the biggest pain point was The Champion with Spite. Please do look into it @Kabam Mike. if possible, please remove spite.

    Also,is there any plan to look into solo and alliance objectives crystals? They are so outdated.
  • nik123456789nik123456789 Posts: 30
    I would have preferred to eliminate the last 10 % of the champion fight
    It s only a waste of units and no funny
    In 6.2 you cannot have this kind of fight
    More difficult than others bosses in 6.4 quest
    You always need specific champions for the last 10% so you cannot pass until you have them @Kabam Miike
  • Mcord11758Mcord11758 Posts: 1,257 ★★★★
    To be fair you need specific champs for Medusa with do you bleed, or iceman in 6.4 or else you will not survive coldsnap, or capiw in 6.3 or you will die to sp3. Or the adaptiod in 6.4 or he will basically be unstoppable the majority of the fight. Or sinister in 6.2, or crossbones in 6.1. The champion is not the only boss that requires counters that are somewhat limited
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Posts: 2,278 ★★★★★
    While I’d still love if they put in the reduced attack values ASAP for act 6, I’ve come to realise that it’d probabl

    Summoners!

    Part 1 of our Roadmap is live! Head over to our blog to read thoughts on the past, present, and future of Quests in Marvel Contest of Champions! Our team goes over what we've learned from the Book 2 Act 1 Beta Test and how we'll be moving forward revisions to Act 6 and the Champion Boss Fight, and much more! Read all about it on our Blog! Click here!

    As we mention in the post, we'd like to hear from you, our players, on what your Act 6 Pain Points with certain bosses were. We have some of our own plans and targets in the works, but they’re still early on and we don’t want to limit the possibilities by talking specifics just yet.

    We're going to set up a player focus group with a selection of 20-30 Summoners from across The Battlerealm and work with them to do some discovery surrounding what made some of the more troubling fights problematic. We're looking for players that have attempted Act 6 and can identify areas in which they felt they faced a challenge that was more difficult than they expected.

    Apply to be part of the Act 6 Pain Point Player Focus Group here.

    Here's my feedback on road to Cavalier difficulty: 6.1.5 boss fight (Crossbones) is absurd with the nodes in place. Unless you have the right champion to counter the nodes, you're basically stuck and can't progress any further (double immune bleed + poison, and easily accessible heal block). I have two R5 champs (Dr. Doom and Captain America Infinity War) who are no use on this fight. I use my R4 duped Darkhawk. I boosted the **** out of him (30% champion boost, 10% attack boost, health boost, +8% tech special boost). I get in 106 hits before I'm KO, and he's still at 98% health because of his insane regen and my inability to get off anything other than sp1 before my power is drained. I can heal block at sp3, but that's never going to happen with the power drain node.

    I either have to take him to R5 and hope that's enough (I REALLY don't want to R5 him just for one fight knowing that still may not even work), or wait until I get a champ like Sentinel, Iron Man Infinity War, etc.that can better manage the nodes. I have 25 5-star champs and none of them can handle this fight... who knows how long it's going to take me until I pull one who can, then be able to actually rank them up to a high enough level for this fight.
    Mate, you have 25 5*s, quite frankly act 6 wasn’t designed for you to just walk through, in fact I’m going to take a shot in the dark and say you haven’t 100% explored act 5 yet or any variants so maybe work on those instead.
  • pseudosanepseudosane Posts: 698 ★★★★

    H3t3r said:

    arsjum said:

    You guys are having a pointless debate. None of us have an idea what the compensation will look like, if it's ever given.

    I have 100% cleared it and I'll take whatever Kabam gives. If they don't, whatever. I'm done with Act 6.

    I do feel however that Kabam is going a little overboard with nerfing Act 6. I don't know, with that level of attack reduction, will Act 6 be even significantly different from 5.4?

    Champion nerf is deserved as are some niche encounters like Mr Sinister and Acid Wash Mysterio. Attack reduction in 6.3 and 6.4 was needed but not to this degree.

    Now the Cavalier Difficulty has got me worried. Will it be tuned in line with Act 6 difficulty in its current state or its nerfed version? I hope it's the former.

    Yeah, they absolutely are gutting it. I'm pretty disappointed honestly. I'm done with it though so oh well. The things you mentioned and removing strength of number from 6.2.5 mordo are really all I personally felt were justified.

    I don't want or expect compensation as whatever we get will be absolutely meaningless so I'd rather they did nothing honestly.
    I feel bad that I'm upset that they are nerfing it so hard, but it is ridiculous. 40-60% reduction and up to 75% for bosses? The Hydra Adaptoid boss had about 40K attack (39,312) and with a 75% reduction, that brings it down to 10K (9,828).
    It's not even going to be the same fight anymore.
    One blocked hit with my r4 Stealthy took off somewhere around 2,200 health, now it'll take off around 550. The difference is huge. Is it any wonder why people who 100% feel like we deserve significant compensation?
    Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are nerfing it, but I think they are nerfing it too hard. I was expecting a 25-30% reduction in attack values across the board, that would have made exploration a lot easier, but still difficult. This attack value reduction instead makes the content a cakewalk and now people are going to get the same rewards for between 40-75% less effort than those of us who completed and explored Act 6 in its current form. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for our compensation to include more rewards, though my original post was a bit much (aim high).
    Maybe I'm just being salty, but I do think we should get a little something extra in our compensation, after all, it was a lot harder for us. What do I think is reasonable now, after gauging the responses from my first?
    10K Six star shards
    50% t5cc selector
    2t5b
    8t2a
    I would also be more than happy to have this as compensation:
    a bunch of revives that don't expire
    potions that don't expire
    exclusive Orange title
    exclusive Profile pic
    I think the attack reductions are warranted. I dont really see an issue with how much they are being reduced. And i disagree with the content being a cakewalk with these reductions. 1 combo and you'll probably still die or get very close to it.
    Not even close. The attack reduction is huge. You'll be able to sit there and block with R4s let alone R5s and survive. Basically anyone is going to be able to get through it at the level it will be brought down to.

    I'm fine with that if that's what they want to do but do not for a second act like a 50% attack reduction is some trivial change.
    I am going to make a counter argument, one that I have said before, it’s main story content. Everyone should be able to do it.

    I personally don’t really think reducing the attack values were needed, I would have preferred more focus on certain fights but if the game has a future past act 6, everyone should reasonably be able to beat it
    That counter only makes sense based on other games though. There's nothing that says that's how this game has to be made.

    If they shift in that direction, that's fine but it's not how the game has been designed ever really. Also it doesn't mean everyone should be able to do it NOW.

    It also brings into play if story content isn't going to be the apex of difficulty, why should it contain the apex of rewards? Would you be fine with all new new tier resources getting added to side quests like variant and having the difficulty jacked up as well?
    Its been half a year since its been released, even more than that for 6.3. Judging by all these complaints (excluding you of course) not many were "ready" in your eyes. They unitmanned it through. Thats why there is so much regret in this thread. I, for one, saw this and said eff it.
    The "apex" of content is Abyss (before that was LoL). Story content has to be reasonable so everyone can get through. While the attack reductions are surprising, the niche nodes still make it a pain (in a way), which makes it more reasonable. 30% reduction is welcome in my eyes. The current 50-70% makes it a lot more pleasant.
    Previously (in before acts), attack values were never as high as the healthpools of your highest ranked characters. That is a real killer right there, that is what destroyed act6.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 5,722 ★★★★★

    H3t3r said:

    arsjum said:

    You guys are having a pointless debate. None of us have an idea what the compensation will look like, if it's ever given.

    I have 100% cleared it and I'll take whatever Kabam gives. If they don't, whatever. I'm done with Act 6.

    I do feel however that Kabam is going a little overboard with nerfing Act 6. I don't know, with that level of attack reduction, will Act 6 be even significantly different from 5.4?

    Champion nerf is deserved as are some niche encounters like Mr Sinister and Acid Wash Mysterio. Attack reduction in 6.3 and 6.4 was needed but not to this degree.

    Now the Cavalier Difficulty has got me worried. Will it be tuned in line with Act 6 difficulty in its current state or its nerfed version? I hope it's the former.

    Yeah, they absolutely are gutting it. I'm pretty disappointed honestly. I'm done with it though so oh well. The things you mentioned and removing strength of number from 6.2.5 mordo are really all I personally felt were justified.

    I don't want or expect compensation as whatever we get will be absolutely meaningless so I'd rather they did nothing honestly.
    I feel bad that I'm upset that they are nerfing it so hard, but it is ridiculous. 40-60% reduction and up to 75% for bosses? The Hydra Adaptoid boss had about 40K attack (39,312) and with a 75% reduction, that brings it down to 10K (9,828).
    It's not even going to be the same fight anymore.
    One blocked hit with my r4 Stealthy took off somewhere around 2,200 health, now it'll take off around 550. The difference is huge. Is it any wonder why people who 100% feel like we deserve significant compensation?
    Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are nerfing it, but I think they are nerfing it too hard. I was expecting a 25-30% reduction in attack values across the board, that would have made exploration a lot easier, but still difficult. This attack value reduction instead makes the content a cakewalk and now people are going to get the same rewards for between 40-75% less effort than those of us who completed and explored Act 6 in its current form. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for our compensation to include more rewards, though my original post was a bit much (aim high).
    Maybe I'm just being salty, but I do think we should get a little something extra in our compensation, after all, it was a lot harder for us. What do I think is reasonable now, after gauging the responses from my first?
    10K Six star shards
    50% t5cc selector
    2t5b
    8t2a
    I would also be more than happy to have this as compensation:
    a bunch of revives that don't expire
    potions that don't expire
    exclusive Orange title
    exclusive Profile pic
    I think the attack reductions are warranted. I dont really see an issue with how much they are being reduced. And i disagree with the content being a cakewalk with these reductions. 1 combo and you'll probably still die or get very close to it.
    Not even close. The attack reduction is huge. You'll be able to sit there and block with R4s let alone R5s and survive. Basically anyone is going to be able to get through it at the level it will be brought down to.

    I'm fine with that if that's what they want to do but do not for a second act like a 50% attack reduction is some trivial change.
    I am going to make a counter argument, one that I have said before, it’s main story content. Everyone should be able to do it.

    I personally don’t really think reducing the attack values were needed, I would have preferred more focus on certain fights but if the game has a future past act 6, everyone should reasonably be able to beat it
    That counter only makes sense based on other games though. There's nothing that says that's how this game has to be made.

    If they shift in that direction, that's fine but it's not how the game has been designed ever really. Also it doesn't mean everyone should be able to do it NOW.

    It also brings into play if story content isn't going to be the apex of difficulty, why should it contain the apex of rewards? Would you be fine with all new new tier resources getting added to side quests like variant and having the difficulty jacked up as well?
    Its been half a year since its been released, even more than that for 6.3. Judging by all these complaints (excluding you of course) not many were "ready" in your eyes. They unitmanned it through. Thats why there is so much regret in this thread. I, for one, saw this and said eff it.
    The "apex" of content is Abyss (before that was LoL). Story content has to be reasonable so everyone can get through. While the attack reductions are surprising, the niche nodes still make it a pain (in a way), which makes it more reasonable. 30% reduction is welcome in my eyes. The current 50-70% makes it a lot more pleasant.
    Previously (in before acts), attack values were never as high as the healthpools of your highest ranked characters. That is a real killer right there, that is what destroyed act6.
    I'm not talking about stuff we get every 3+ plus years when I say apex of difficulty. I'm talking regular frequently added game content. You can't legitimately expect there to only be anything difficult every few years, that's ridiculous.

    Attack values weren't THAT far off healthpools in later Act 5 either. 4/40 4*s have what around 11k health? Attack values in a lot of paths were 7-8k.

    Like I said, if they want to make story content more accessible that's fine. The question from that point is, why should the newest tier of resources also be gained from it? Would people be so okay with Act content being gutted but having the same happen to the rewards and then adding all the high tier stuff to side events? I don't think they would personally. We'd have the same complaints just about different content. The only difference is this "story content should be easy" trope wouldn't fly.
  • pseudosanepseudosane Posts: 698 ★★★★

    H3t3r said:

    arsjum said:

    You guys are having a pointless debate. None of us have an idea what the compensation will look like, if it's ever given.

    I have 100% cleared it and I'll take whatever Kabam gives. If they don't, whatever. I'm done with Act 6.

    I do feel however that Kabam is going a little overboard with nerfing Act 6. I don't know, with that level of attack reduction, will Act 6 be even significantly different from 5.4?

    Champion nerf is deserved as are some niche encounters like Mr Sinister and Acid Wash Mysterio. Attack reduction in 6.3 and 6.4 was needed but not to this degree.

    Now the Cavalier Difficulty has got me worried. Will it be tuned in line with Act 6 difficulty in its current state or its nerfed version? I hope it's the former.

    Yeah, they absolutely are gutting it. I'm pretty disappointed honestly. I'm done with it though so oh well. The things you mentioned and removing strength of number from 6.2.5 mordo are really all I personally felt were justified.

    I don't want or expect compensation as whatever we get will be absolutely meaningless so I'd rather they did nothing honestly.
    I feel bad that I'm upset that they are nerfing it so hard, but it is ridiculous. 40-60% reduction and up to 75% for bosses? The Hydra Adaptoid boss had about 40K attack (39,312) and with a 75% reduction, that brings it down to 10K (9,828).
    It's not even going to be the same fight anymore.
    One blocked hit with my r4 Stealthy took off somewhere around 2,200 health, now it'll take off around 550. The difference is huge. Is it any wonder why people who 100% feel like we deserve significant compensation?
    Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are nerfing it, but I think they are nerfing it too hard. I was expecting a 25-30% reduction in attack values across the board, that would have made exploration a lot easier, but still difficult. This attack value reduction instead makes the content a cakewalk and now people are going to get the same rewards for between 40-75% less effort than those of us who completed and explored Act 6 in its current form. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for our compensation to include more rewards, though my original post was a bit much (aim high).
    Maybe I'm just being salty, but I do think we should get a little something extra in our compensation, after all, it was a lot harder for us. What do I think is reasonable now, after gauging the responses from my first?
    10K Six star shards
    50% t5cc selector
    2t5b
    8t2a
    I would also be more than happy to have this as compensation:
    a bunch of revives that don't expire
    potions that don't expire
    exclusive Orange title
    exclusive Profile pic
    I think the attack reductions are warranted. I dont really see an issue with how much they are being reduced. And i disagree with the content being a cakewalk with these reductions. 1 combo and you'll probably still die or get very close to it.
    Not even close. The attack reduction is huge. You'll be able to sit there and block with R4s let alone R5s and survive. Basically anyone is going to be able to get through it at the level it will be brought down to.

    I'm fine with that if that's what they want to do but do not for a second act like a 50% attack reduction is some trivial change.
    I am going to make a counter argument, one that I have said before, it’s main story content. Everyone should be able to do it.

    I personally don’t really think reducing the attack values were needed, I would have preferred more focus on certain fights but if the game has a future past act 6, everyone should reasonably be able to beat it
    That counter only makes sense based on other games though. There's nothing that says that's how this game has to be made.

    If they shift in that direction, that's fine but it's not how the game has been designed ever really. Also it doesn't mean everyone should be able to do it NOW.

    It also brings into play if story content isn't going to be the apex of difficulty, why should it contain the apex of rewards? Would you be fine with all new new tier resources getting added to side quests like variant and having the difficulty jacked up as well?
    Its been half a year since its been released, even more than that for 6.3. Judging by all these complaints (excluding you of course) not many were "ready" in your eyes. They unitmanned it through. Thats why there is so much regret in this thread. I, for one, saw this and said eff it.
    The "apex" of content is Abyss (before that was LoL). Story content has to be reasonable so everyone can get through. While the attack reductions are surprising, the niche nodes still make it a pain (in a way), which makes it more reasonable. 30% reduction is welcome in my eyes. The current 50-70% makes it a lot more pleasant.
    Previously (in before acts), attack values were never as high as the healthpools of your highest ranked characters. That is a real killer right there, that is what destroyed act6.
    I'm not talking about stuff we get every 3+ plus years when I say apex of difficulty. I'm talking regular frequently added game content. You can't legitimately expect there to only be anything difficult every few years, that's ridiculous.

    Attack values weren't THAT far off healthpools in later Act 5 either. 4/40 4*s have what around 11k health? Attack values in a lot of paths were 7-8k.

    Like I said, if they want to make story content more accessible that's fine. The question from that point is, why should the newest tier of resources also be gained from it? Would people be so okay with Act content being gutted but having the same happen to the rewards and then adding all the high tier stuff to side events? I don't think they would personally. We'd have the same complaints just about different content. The only difference is this "story content should be easy" trope wouldn't fly.
    5* R4s were the top champs available for act5. There was nobody with 30k attack. You also didnt have the plethora of nodes you have in act6, you could take a wide variety of champs to clear the content. (i did it when it released). right now, r5s/r3s and still you are taking massive damage (6.3/6.4 only). That isnt fun.
    Really really tough content can form the apex (unit collector). The summer of pain seems like another maze, yes that can be really really tough. Static content that is a pathway to progression? No.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 5,722 ★★★★★

    H3t3r said:

    arsjum said:

    You guys are having a pointless debate. None of us have an idea what the compensation will look like, if it's ever given.

    I have 100% cleared it and I'll take whatever Kabam gives. If they don't, whatever. I'm done with Act 6.

    I do feel however that Kabam is going a little overboard with nerfing Act 6. I don't know, with that level of attack reduction, will Act 6 be even significantly different from 5.4?

    Champion nerf is deserved as are some niche encounters like Mr Sinister and Acid Wash Mysterio. Attack reduction in 6.3 and 6.4 was needed but not to this degree.

    Now the Cavalier Difficulty has got me worried. Will it be tuned in line with Act 6 difficulty in its current state or its nerfed version? I hope it's the former.

    Yeah, they absolutely are gutting it. I'm pretty disappointed honestly. I'm done with it though so oh well. The things you mentioned and removing strength of number from 6.2.5 mordo are really all I personally felt were justified.

    I don't want or expect compensation as whatever we get will be absolutely meaningless so I'd rather they did nothing honestly.
    I feel bad that I'm upset that they are nerfing it so hard, but it is ridiculous. 40-60% reduction and up to 75% for bosses? The Hydra Adaptoid boss had about 40K attack (39,312) and with a 75% reduction, that brings it down to 10K (9,828).
    It's not even going to be the same fight anymore.
    One blocked hit with my r4 Stealthy took off somewhere around 2,200 health, now it'll take off around 550. The difference is huge. Is it any wonder why people who 100% feel like we deserve significant compensation?
    Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are nerfing it, but I think they are nerfing it too hard. I was expecting a 25-30% reduction in attack values across the board, that would have made exploration a lot easier, but still difficult. This attack value reduction instead makes the content a cakewalk and now people are going to get the same rewards for between 40-75% less effort than those of us who completed and explored Act 6 in its current form. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for our compensation to include more rewards, though my original post was a bit much (aim high).
    Maybe I'm just being salty, but I do think we should get a little something extra in our compensation, after all, it was a lot harder for us. What do I think is reasonable now, after gauging the responses from my first?
    10K Six star shards
    50% t5cc selector
    2t5b
    8t2a
    I would also be more than happy to have this as compensation:
    a bunch of revives that don't expire
    potions that don't expire
    exclusive Orange title
    exclusive Profile pic
    I think the attack reductions are warranted. I dont really see an issue with how much they are being reduced. And i disagree with the content being a cakewalk with these reductions. 1 combo and you'll probably still die or get very close to it.
    Not even close. The attack reduction is huge. You'll be able to sit there and block with R4s let alone R5s and survive. Basically anyone is going to be able to get through it at the level it will be brought down to.

    I'm fine with that if that's what they want to do but do not for a second act like a 50% attack reduction is some trivial change.
    I am going to make a counter argument, one that I have said before, it’s main story content. Everyone should be able to do it.

    I personally don’t really think reducing the attack values were needed, I would have preferred more focus on certain fights but if the game has a future past act 6, everyone should reasonably be able to beat it
    That counter only makes sense based on other games though. There's nothing that says that's how this game has to be made.

    If they shift in that direction, that's fine but it's not how the game has been designed ever really. Also it doesn't mean everyone should be able to do it NOW.

    It also brings into play if story content isn't going to be the apex of difficulty, why should it contain the apex of rewards? Would you be fine with all new new tier resources getting added to side quests like variant and having the difficulty jacked up as well?
    Its been half a year since its been released, even more than that for 6.3. Judging by all these complaints (excluding you of course) not many were "ready" in your eyes. They unitmanned it through. Thats why there is so much regret in this thread. I, for one, saw this and said eff it.
    The "apex" of content is Abyss (before that was LoL). Story content has to be reasonable so everyone can get through. While the attack reductions are surprising, the niche nodes still make it a pain (in a way), which makes it more reasonable. 30% reduction is welcome in my eyes. The current 50-70% makes it a lot more pleasant.
    Previously (in before acts), attack values were never as high as the healthpools of your highest ranked characters. That is a real killer right there, that is what destroyed act6.
    I'm not talking about stuff we get every 3+ plus years when I say apex of difficulty. I'm talking regular frequently added game content. You can't legitimately expect there to only be anything difficult every few years, that's ridiculous.

    Attack values weren't THAT far off healthpools in later Act 5 either. 4/40 4*s have what around 11k health? Attack values in a lot of paths were 7-8k.

    Like I said, if they want to make story content more accessible that's fine. The question from that point is, why should the newest tier of resources also be gained from it? Would people be so okay with Act content being gutted but having the same happen to the rewards and then adding all the high tier stuff to side events? I don't think they would personally. We'd have the same complaints just about different content. The only difference is this "story content should be easy" trope wouldn't fly.
    5* R4s were the top champs available for act5. There was nobody with 30k attack. You also didnt have the plethora of nodes you have in act6, you could take a wide variety of champs to clear the content. (i did it when it released). right now, r5s/r3s and still you are taking massive damage (6.3/6.4 only). That isnt fun.
    Really really tough content can form the apex (unit collector). The summer of pain seems like another maze, yes that can be really really tough. Static content that is a pathway to progression? No.

    H3t3r said:

    arsjum said:

    You guys are having a pointless debate. None of us have an idea what the compensation will look like, if it's ever given.

    I have 100% cleared it and I'll take whatever Kabam gives. If they don't, whatever. I'm done with Act 6.

    I do feel however that Kabam is going a little overboard with nerfing Act 6. I don't know, with that level of attack reduction, will Act 6 be even significantly different from 5.4?

    Champion nerf is deserved as are some niche encounters like Mr Sinister and Acid Wash Mysterio. Attack reduction in 6.3 and 6.4 was needed but not to this degree.

    Now the Cavalier Difficulty has got me worried. Will it be tuned in line with Act 6 difficulty in its current state or its nerfed version? I hope it's the former.

    Yeah, they absolutely are gutting it. I'm pretty disappointed honestly. I'm done with it though so oh well. The things you mentioned and removing strength of number from 6.2.5 mordo are really all I personally felt were justified.

    I don't want or expect compensation as whatever we get will be absolutely meaningless so I'd rather they did nothing honestly.
    I feel bad that I'm upset that they are nerfing it so hard, but it is ridiculous. 40-60% reduction and up to 75% for bosses? The Hydra Adaptoid boss had about 40K attack (39,312) and with a 75% reduction, that brings it down to 10K (9,828).
    It's not even going to be the same fight anymore.
    One blocked hit with my r4 Stealthy took off somewhere around 2,200 health, now it'll take off around 550. The difference is huge. Is it any wonder why people who 100% feel like we deserve significant compensation?
    Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are nerfing it, but I think they are nerfing it too hard. I was expecting a 25-30% reduction in attack values across the board, that would have made exploration a lot easier, but still difficult. This attack value reduction instead makes the content a cakewalk and now people are going to get the same rewards for between 40-75% less effort than those of us who completed and explored Act 6 in its current form. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for our compensation to include more rewards, though my original post was a bit much (aim high).
    Maybe I'm just being salty, but I do think we should get a little something extra in our compensation, after all, it was a lot harder for us. What do I think is reasonable now, after gauging the responses from my first?
    10K Six star shards
    50% t5cc selector
    2t5b
    8t2a
    I would also be more than happy to have this as compensation:
    a bunch of revives that don't expire
    potions that don't expire
    exclusive Orange title
    exclusive Profile pic
    I think the attack reductions are warranted. I dont really see an issue with how much they are being reduced. And i disagree with the content being a cakewalk with these reductions. 1 combo and you'll probably still die or get very close to it.
    Not even close. The attack reduction is huge. You'll be able to sit there and block with R4s let alone R5s and survive. Basically anyone is going to be able to get through it at the level it will be brought down to.

    I'm fine with that if that's what they want to do but do not for a second act like a 50% attack reduction is some trivial change.
    I am going to make a counter argument, one that I have said before, it’s main story content. Everyone should be able to do it.

    I personally don’t really think reducing the attack values were needed, I would have preferred more focus on certain fights but if the game has a future past act 6, everyone should reasonably be able to beat it
    That counter only makes sense based on other games though. There's nothing that says that's how this game has to be made.

    If they shift in that direction, that's fine but it's not how the game has been designed ever really. Also it doesn't mean everyone should be able to do it NOW.

    It also brings into play if story content isn't going to be the apex of difficulty, why should it contain the apex of rewards? Would you be fine with all new new tier resources getting added to side quests like variant and having the difficulty jacked up as well?
    Its been half a year since its been released, even more than that for 6.3. Judging by all these complaints (excluding you of course) not many were "ready" in your eyes. They unitmanned it through. Thats why there is so much regret in this thread. I, for one, saw this and said eff it.
    The "apex" of content is Abyss (before that was LoL). Story content has to be reasonable so everyone can get through. While the attack reductions are surprising, the niche nodes still make it a pain (in a way), which makes it more reasonable. 30% reduction is welcome in my eyes. The current 50-70% makes it a lot more pleasant.
    Previously (in before acts), attack values were never as high as the healthpools of your highest ranked characters. That is a real killer right there, that is what destroyed act6.
    I'm not talking about stuff we get every 3+ plus years when I say apex of difficulty. I'm talking regular frequently added game content. You can't legitimately expect there to only be anything difficult every few years, that's ridiculous.

    Attack values weren't THAT far off healthpools in later Act 5 either. 4/40 4*s have what around 11k health? Attack values in a lot of paths were 7-8k.

    Like I said, if they want to make story content more accessible that's fine. The question from that point is, why should the newest tier of resources also be gained from it? Would people be so okay with Act content being gutted but having the same happen to the rewards and then adding all the high tier stuff to side events? I don't think they would personally. We'd have the same complaints just about different content. The only difference is this "story content should be easy" trope wouldn't fly.
    5* R4s were the top champs available for act5. There was nobody with 30k attack. You also didnt have the plethora of nodes you have in act6, you could take a wide variety of champs to clear the content. (i did it when it released). right now, r5s/r3s and still you are taking massive damage (6.3/6.4 only). That isnt fun.
    Really really tough content can form the apex (unit collector). The summer of pain seems like another maze, yes that can be really really tough. Static content that is a pathway to progression? No.
    My attack teams for the vast majority of Act 5 consisted of zero 5*s at all let alone any at R4. My 5* roster was horrendous so myself and plenty of other people were mostly using 4*s and quite a lot of them only at R4.

    Again, making story content easy is fine. I just see no justification for the newest tier resources being gained through it at that point.
  • GomezlinkGomezlink Posts: 129
    edited June 2020
    People talk about rewards, but it's all RNG, it can come in quantities of crystal fragments, that still depends on RNG, and can venture into several extremely difficult contents, and a guy who does the basics have with the best champions that you
  • pseudosanepseudosane Posts: 698 ★★★★

    H3t3r said:

    arsjum said:

    You guys are having a pointless debate. None of us have an idea what the compensation will look like, if it's ever given.

    I have 100% cleared it and I'll take whatever Kabam gives. If they don't, whatever. I'm done with Act 6.

    I do feel however that Kabam is going a little overboard with nerfing Act 6. I don't know, with that level of attack reduction, will Act 6 be even significantly different from 5.4?

    Champion nerf is deserved as are some niche encounters like Mr Sinister and Acid Wash Mysterio. Attack reduction in 6.3 and 6.4 was needed but not to this degree.

    Now the Cavalier Difficulty has got me worried. Will it be tuned in line with Act 6 difficulty in its current state or its nerfed version? I hope it's the former.

    Yeah, they absolutely are gutting it. I'm pretty disappointed honestly. I'm done with it though so oh well. The things you mentioned and removing strength of number from 6.2.5 mordo are really all I personally felt were justified.

    I don't want or expect compensation as whatever we get will be absolutely meaningless so I'd rather they did nothing honestly.
    I feel bad that I'm upset that they are nerfing it so hard, but it is ridiculous. 40-60% reduction and up to 75% for bosses? The Hydra Adaptoid boss had about 40K attack (39,312) and with a 75% reduction, that brings it down to 10K (9,828).
    It's not even going to be the same fight anymore.
    One blocked hit with my r4 Stealthy took off somewhere around 2,200 health, now it'll take off around 550. The difference is huge. Is it any wonder why people who 100% feel like we deserve significant compensation?
    Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are nerfing it, but I think they are nerfing it too hard. I was expecting a 25-30% reduction in attack values across the board, that would have made exploration a lot easier, but still difficult. This attack value reduction instead makes the content a cakewalk and now people are going to get the same rewards for between 40-75% less effort than those of us who completed and explored Act 6 in its current form. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for our compensation to include more rewards, though my original post was a bit much (aim high).
    Maybe I'm just being salty, but I do think we should get a little something extra in our compensation, after all, it was a lot harder for us. What do I think is reasonable now, after gauging the responses from my first?
    10K Six star shards
    50% t5cc selector
    2t5b
    8t2a
    I would also be more than happy to have this as compensation:
    a bunch of revives that don't expire
    potions that don't expire
    exclusive Orange title
    exclusive Profile pic
    I think the attack reductions are warranted. I dont really see an issue with how much they are being reduced. And i disagree with the content being a cakewalk with these reductions. 1 combo and you'll probably still die or get very close to it.
    Not even close. The attack reduction is huge. You'll be able to sit there and block with R4s let alone R5s and survive. Basically anyone is going to be able to get through it at the level it will be brought down to.

    I'm fine with that if that's what they want to do but do not for a second act like a 50% attack reduction is some trivial change.
    I am going to make a counter argument, one that I have said before, it’s main story content. Everyone should be able to do it.

    I personally don’t really think reducing the attack values were needed, I would have preferred more focus on certain fights but if the game has a future past act 6, everyone should reasonably be able to beat it
    That counter only makes sense based on other games though. There's nothing that says that's how this game has to be made.

    If they shift in that direction, that's fine but it's not how the game has been designed ever really. Also it doesn't mean everyone should be able to do it NOW.

    It also brings into play if story content isn't going to be the apex of difficulty, why should it contain the apex of rewards? Would you be fine with all new new tier resources getting added to side quests like variant and having the difficulty jacked up as well?
    Its been half a year since its been released, even more than that for 6.3. Judging by all these complaints (excluding you of course) not many were "ready" in your eyes. They unitmanned it through. Thats why there is so much regret in this thread. I, for one, saw this and said eff it.
    The "apex" of content is Abyss (before that was LoL). Story content has to be reasonable so everyone can get through. While the attack reductions are surprising, the niche nodes still make it a pain (in a way), which makes it more reasonable. 30% reduction is welcome in my eyes. The current 50-70% makes it a lot more pleasant.
    Previously (in before acts), attack values were never as high as the healthpools of your highest ranked characters. That is a real killer right there, that is what destroyed act6.
    I'm not talking about stuff we get every 3+ plus years when I say apex of difficulty. I'm talking regular frequently added game content. You can't legitimately expect there to only be anything difficult every few years, that's ridiculous.

    Attack values weren't THAT far off healthpools in later Act 5 either. 4/40 4*s have what around 11k health? Attack values in a lot of paths were 7-8k.

    Like I said, if they want to make story content more accessible that's fine. The question from that point is, why should the newest tier of resources also be gained from it? Would people be so okay with Act content being gutted but having the same happen to the rewards and then adding all the high tier stuff to side events? I don't think they would personally. We'd have the same complaints just about different content. The only difference is this "story content should be easy" trope wouldn't fly.
    5* R4s were the top champs available for act5. There was nobody with 30k attack. You also didnt have the plethora of nodes you have in act6, you could take a wide variety of champs to clear the content. (i did it when it released). right now, r5s/r3s and still you are taking massive damage (6.3/6.4 only). That isnt fun.
    Really really tough content can form the apex (unit collector). The summer of pain seems like another maze, yes that can be really really tough. Static content that is a pathway to progression? No.

    H3t3r said:

    arsjum said:

    You guys are having a pointless debate. None of us have an idea what the compensation will look like, if it's ever given.

    I have 100% cleared it and I'll take whatever Kabam gives. If they don't, whatever. I'm done with Act 6.

    I do feel however that Kabam is going a little overboard with nerfing Act 6. I don't know, with that level of attack reduction, will Act 6 be even significantly different from 5.4?

    Champion nerf is deserved as are some niche encounters like Mr Sinister and Acid Wash Mysterio. Attack reduction in 6.3 and 6.4 was needed but not to this degree.

    Now the Cavalier Difficulty has got me worried. Will it be tuned in line with Act 6 difficulty in its current state or its nerfed version? I hope it's the former.

    Yeah, they absolutely are gutting it. I'm pretty disappointed honestly. I'm done with it though so oh well. The things you mentioned and removing strength of number from 6.2.5 mordo are really all I personally felt were justified.

    I don't want or expect compensation as whatever we get will be absolutely meaningless so I'd rather they did nothing honestly.
    I feel bad that I'm upset that they are nerfing it so hard, but it is ridiculous. 40-60% reduction and up to 75% for bosses? The Hydra Adaptoid boss had about 40K attack (39,312) and with a 75% reduction, that brings it down to 10K (9,828).
    It's not even going to be the same fight anymore.
    One blocked hit with my r4 Stealthy took off somewhere around 2,200 health, now it'll take off around 550. The difference is huge. Is it any wonder why people who 100% feel like we deserve significant compensation?
    Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are nerfing it, but I think they are nerfing it too hard. I was expecting a 25-30% reduction in attack values across the board, that would have made exploration a lot easier, but still difficult. This attack value reduction instead makes the content a cakewalk and now people are going to get the same rewards for between 40-75% less effort than those of us who completed and explored Act 6 in its current form. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for our compensation to include more rewards, though my original post was a bit much (aim high).
    Maybe I'm just being salty, but I do think we should get a little something extra in our compensation, after all, it was a lot harder for us. What do I think is reasonable now, after gauging the responses from my first?
    10K Six star shards
    50% t5cc selector
    2t5b
    8t2a
    I would also be more than happy to have this as compensation:
    a bunch of revives that don't expire
    potions that don't expire
    exclusive Orange title
    exclusive Profile pic
    I think the attack reductions are warranted. I dont really see an issue with how much they are being reduced. And i disagree with the content being a cakewalk with these reductions. 1 combo and you'll probably still die or get very close to it.
    Not even close. The attack reduction is huge. You'll be able to sit there and block with R4s let alone R5s and survive. Basically anyone is going to be able to get through it at the level it will be brought down to.

    I'm fine with that if that's what they want to do but do not for a second act like a 50% attack reduction is some trivial change.
    I am going to make a counter argument, one that I have said before, it’s main story content. Everyone should be able to do it.

    I personally don’t really think reducing the attack values were needed, I would have preferred more focus on certain fights but if the game has a future past act 6, everyone should reasonably be able to beat it
    That counter only makes sense based on other games though. There's nothing that says that's how this game has to be made.

    If they shift in that direction, that's fine but it's not how the game has been designed ever really. Also it doesn't mean everyone should be able to do it NOW.

    It also brings into play if story content isn't going to be the apex of difficulty, why should it contain the apex of rewards? Would you be fine with all new new tier resources getting added to side quests like variant and having the difficulty jacked up as well?
    Its been half a year since its been released, even more than that for 6.3. Judging by all these complaints (excluding you of course) not many were "ready" in your eyes. They unitmanned it through. Thats why there is so much regret in this thread. I, for one, saw this and said eff it.
    The "apex" of content is Abyss (before that was LoL). Story content has to be reasonable so everyone can get through. While the attack reductions are surprising, the niche nodes still make it a pain (in a way), which makes it more reasonable. 30% reduction is welcome in my eyes. The current 50-70% makes it a lot more pleasant.
    Previously (in before acts), attack values were never as high as the healthpools of your highest ranked characters. That is a real killer right there, that is what destroyed act6.
    I'm not talking about stuff we get every 3+ plus years when I say apex of difficulty. I'm talking regular frequently added game content. You can't legitimately expect there to only be anything difficult every few years, that's ridiculous.

    Attack values weren't THAT far off healthpools in later Act 5 either. 4/40 4*s have what around 11k health? Attack values in a lot of paths were 7-8k.

    Like I said, if they want to make story content more accessible that's fine. The question from that point is, why should the newest tier of resources also be gained from it? Would people be so okay with Act content being gutted but having the same happen to the rewards and then adding all the high tier stuff to side events? I don't think they would personally. We'd have the same complaints just about different content. The only difference is this "story content should be easy" trope wouldn't fly.
    5* R4s were the top champs available for act5. There was nobody with 30k attack. You also didnt have the plethora of nodes you have in act6, you could take a wide variety of champs to clear the content. (i did it when it released). right now, r5s/r3s and still you are taking massive damage (6.3/6.4 only). That isnt fun.
    Really really tough content can form the apex (unit collector). The summer of pain seems like another maze, yes that can be really really tough. Static content that is a pathway to progression? No.
    My attack teams for the vast majority of Act 5 consisted of zero 5*s at all let alone any at R4. My 5* roster was horrendous so myself and plenty of other people were mostly using 4*s and quite a lot of them only at R4.

    Again, making story content easy is fine. I just see no justification for the newest tier resources being gained through it at that point.
    mine was also 4* for the most part. My only r4 5* was OG cap marvel, that isnt the point though, It was possible to even take a combo to the face and come out alive at the end. Here in 6,3 it is insta death. CHamp like GG/punisher with hard to evade specials, man their specials murder your damn block. That was never an issue in act5. Even those like cable now, do a number when you block it. That stuff just isnt fair, isnt fun at all. Again, the game should never punish you that horribly for progression based content. Apex content, yes. Not for those 'needed' for progression.

    as for you rewards points, that is why the rewards are so pathetic. 1 t5cc random. Abyss is more pleasant and gives three times the rewards.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 5,722 ★★★★★
    Knation said:

    I could be wrong but I read the attack reduction being more targeted at 6.3 and 6.4

    6.3 and 6.4 are the only chapters where attack went crazy. 6.1 and 6.2 were already easily manageable
    That diss track iceman was the perfect example fully boosted quake healed her up and it still did all like 40k of her health attack just became ridiculous in 6:4
    Used marvel with cosmic power boost for the diss trak path. Wasn't too bad with her really since she just goes indestructible immediately and you can blitz most fights with sp2s in binary. Without her, a lot of that path would have sucked
  • TheTalentsTheTalents Posts: 1,665 ★★★★★

    Knation said:

    I could be wrong but I read the attack reduction being more targeted at 6.3 and 6.4

    6.3 and 6.4 are the only chapters where attack went crazy. 6.1 and 6.2 were already easily manageable
    That diss track iceman was the perfect example fully boosted quake healed her up and it still did all like 40k of her health attack just became ridiculous in 6:4
    Used marvel with cosmic power boost for the diss trak path. Wasn't too bad with her really since she just goes indestructible immediately and you can blitz most fights with sp2s in binary. Without her, a lot of that path would have sucked
    i still don't have a 5 or 6 star CMM and it was a awlful. I had to do it with CapIW, Quake, hyperion and I forget the rest but it certainly wasn't easy and it took some units.
  • TheTalentsTheTalents Posts: 1,665 ★★★★★
    To answer your question though I'm fine with Acts being much easier. (Easier meaning less attack) Act 6 is still not easy though, the nodes are too complicated for anybody to walk through them with ease even with a descent roster.

    You just will be getting punished less which means less revives used to finish fights. I think Kabam should move towards end game rewards with similar side quests such as the maze. This is the direction they seem to be headed and I cosign this. I also only did initial clear of the maze because I didn't have a great solution for the Champion boss at that time and I didn't cry about it. I just got better and improved my roster. If side quests being hard is the expectation I think people will complain but it won't be the massive threads that we had with the Champion boss or act 6 gates.
  • LightYagami85LightYagami85 Posts: 9
    @Kabam Miike how about players that spent a lot units on tryin to finish The Champion in 6.2.6?
    Will there be compensations as well or only for the ones who did it?
    I mean it’s possible to spent ten thousands of units there and don’t finish him at all. So as far as I read they will be lost if one doesn’t finish him before the update.
  • Panchulon21Panchulon21 Posts: 1,913 ★★★★

    @Kabam Miike how about players that spent a lot units on tryin to finish The Champion in 6.2.6?
    Will there be compensations as well or only for the ones who did it?
    I mean it’s possible to spent ten thousands of units there and don’t finish him at all. So as far as I read they will be lost if one doesn’t finish him before the update.

    I think they will compensate with consumables.
  • WerewrymWerewrym Posts: 2,670 Guardian
    My biggest problem with act 6 was that two champs were really required for exploration. Ghost and Quake. Overall Act 6 was actually not too difficult but the paths where you needed a Ghost or Quake you REALLY needed a Ghost or Quake. I was lucky enough to obtain quake during my run at 100% act 6 and she made things way easier. If I didn't have her I'm sure it would have cost me a lot more than it did. I still to this day cannot get my hands on a Ghost and if I had her I'm sure I could have saved a lot of revives. Overall though act 6 100% was very cheap for me.
  • Panchulon21Panchulon21 Posts: 1,913 ★★★★

    Summoners!

    Part 1 of our Roadmap is live! Head over to our blog to read thoughts on the past, present, and future of Quests in Marvel Contest of Champions! Our team goes over what we've learned from the Book 2 Act 1 Beta Test and how we'll be moving forward revisions to Act 6 and the Champion Boss Fight, and much more! Read all about it on our Blog! Click here!

    As we mention in the post, we'd like to hear from you, our players, on what your Act 6 Pain Points with certain bosses were. We have some of our own plans and targets in the works, but they’re still early on and we don’t want to limit the possibilities by talking specifics just yet.

    We're going to set up a player focus group with a selection of 20-30 Summoners from across The Battlerealm and work with them to do some discovery surrounding what made some of the more troubling fights problematic. We're looking for players that have attempted Act 6 and can identify areas in which they felt they faced a challenge that was more difficult than they expected.

    Apply to be part of the Act 6 Pain Point Player Focus Group here.

    Here's my feedback on road to Cavalier difficulty: 6.1.5 boss fight (Crossbones) is absurd with the nodes in place. Unless you have the right champion to counter the nodes, you're basically stuck and can't progress any further (double immune bleed + poison, and easily accessible heal block). I have two R5 champs (Dr. Doom and Captain America Infinity War) who are no use on this fight. I use my R4 duped Darkhawk. I boosted the **** out of him (30% champion boost, 10% attack boost, health boost, +8% tech special boost). I get in 106 hits before I'm KO, and he's still at 98% health because of his insane regen and my inability to get off anything other than sp1 before my power is drained. I can heal block at sp3, but that's never going to happen with the power drain node.

    I either have to take him to R5 and hope that's enough (I REALLY don't want to R5 him just for one fight knowing that still may not even work), or wait until I get a champ like Sentinel, Iron Man Infinity War, etc.that can better manage the nodes. I have 25 5-star champs and none of them can handle this fight... who knows how long it's going to take me until I pull one who can, then be able to actually rank them up to a high enough level for this fight.
    Hey when I cleared this fight and did it at 100% I didn’t have any viable counter for it either. No ghost, no Ms, no sentinel (still no sentinel at 5/6). I steamed rolled through with AA, rogue and ghost rider. One run I actually solod with ghost rider. It was like 900 hits but I did it. Another took revives with AA and rogue took revives and heavy boosts.

    Point being if you really want to clear something and progress, sometimes you have to
  • Haji_SaabHaji_Saab Posts: 5,123 ★★★★★
    Since people are now dissing the developer of 6.2.5, I have to say my opinion.

    I absolutely loved it. I used champs like Groot, Vulture, Psylocke, Doc Oc and Rogue just because of the gates and I enjoyed it. Looking at the reaction on forum and in LINE chats, we will probably never see a quest like this again. But one can only hope.
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