The physics of the battlerealm: what applies and what doesn’t?

Can you not just accept this is a mobile video game that doesn't need scientific analysis and move on with your life? Sheeesh

SpideyFunko

English please

Mohit_7

I can't understand properly what you are trying to explain.

Ghostboytjie

Where can I learn that language? Google translate doesnt have it

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ItsDamien

The easy answer.... It's a different universe. Even within the Marvel Multiverse, MCOC isn't the same Universe as the as the main universe of Earth-616. It's not even the same Universe as the MCU, Earth-199999. MCOC is based in the Earth-TRN517 Universe. While some things are similar to our own universe, or even the universe of any other Marvel Multiverse, because it is it's own entity it means that certain characters will work differently than expected by our own reality rules, and different from any rules of any other Marvel Multiverse.

@ItsDamien I know it’s a different universe I’m trying to single out it’s laws in order to learn more about it. Thanks for the positive feedback though.

For those that don’t understand don’t worry about it this discussion was just me writing down my thoughts on the battle realm.

@Qacob not really no. Anyways what else am I mean to do? It’s not like I can go outside.

@Qacob not really no. Anyways what else am I mean to do? It’s not like I can go outside.

Is this your next resort?

@Qacob not really no. Anyways what else am I mean to do? It’s not like I can go outside.
Is this your next resort?

Pretty much. Have to excersise the brain somehow

@Qacob not really no. Anyways what else am I mean to do? It’s not like I can go outside.
Is this your next resort?
Pretty much. Have to excersise the brain somehow

Like this?... Fair enough. I guess you do you and ill do me....

Artoria77

@Qacob not really no. Anyways what else am I mean to do? It’s not like I can go outside.
Is this your next resort?
Pretty much. Have to excersise the brain somehow

Like this?... Fair enough. I guess you do you and ill do me....

Do you have a problem with it?

@Qacob not really no. Anyways what else am I mean to do? It’s not like I can go outside.
Is this your next resort?
Pretty much. Have to excersise the brain somehow

Like this?... Fair enough. I guess you do you and ill do me....
Do you have a problem with it?

Not at all. Just not my idea of fun

Artoria77

It was a nice read to pass a few seconds of my time.

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SpideyFunko

I think the big issue with statements like "you can't apply real world science to comic books" is that they're mostly made with something in mind that is rather fantastic, like people punching each other through space, time travel, or people that are literally on fire and completely fine with that, none of which nessecarily suggests a difference in the basic laws or physics, biology or chemistry.

Our own universe is gigantic, really weird and mostly still unknown in many of his core aspects.

If we encounter something really really weird in our own universe, then we do not immediately consider that the laws of nature we thought we knew are wrong or flawed. We try to understand and/or come up with the process/mechanism that allows thar weird phenomenon to work the way it does, while being in line with our established laws of nature and functional with our current models.

The reason for that is that our currently established laws and models are already based on a truckload of conclusive observations. That of course does not mean they're 100% correct, we do continuously improve our models and we do from time to time even find better alternatives to currently established models, which could in a few years be the case with something like the string theory replacing our theory of general relativity.

Theories like that allow us to create models, which in turn allow us to make predictions with the assumption that the model we use for that prediction being at least mostly correct.

There are a lot of real world examples for this. Let's think about the continuously accelerating expansion of spacetime. When we learned of that it actually didn't fit with our model. But since our model so far almost perfectly described anything else we encountered and even predicted things/phenomena we discovered way later after that model has already been established (example: the theory of general relativity already suggested the hypothetical existence of black holes as well as their general interaction with space time way before we found the first conclusive evidence for the existence of black holes), rather than starting at square one we tried to come up with a hypothetical concept of dark energy. Now dark energy is a hypothetical type of energy that leads to the continuously accelerating expansion of spacetime, simplified to make this phenomenon fit our current model.

How is that relevant? Even in our real world our scientists need to assume many things to do their jobs. They need to assume that our currently established laws of nature and models will work the same tomorrow as they do today. They need to assume that those laws and models will work the same here as they do in any other spot of our universe.

So if we for example found a region of space in which gravity functions exactly opposite from what we know, rather than scrapping and completely reevaluating our understanding of gravity we would try to find a mechanism/process through which that phenomenon is possible in our current understanding of the universe.

There is too much weird stuff going on in our own universe and even more stuff that could potentially/hypothetically be going on to really look at something like the battlerealm or any of the other marvel universes and confidently conclude that the baseline laws of nature are different rather than the same.

Just think about this:

Nothing we know of so far necessitates that moving through time only allows for one direction. In fact, we already know of quantum particles that do appear to occasionally move backwards through time.

Let me put it this way:

If we were to encounter a rift in spacetime through which we could observe another universe, and for convenience sake let's say we know for a fact that parallel universes to exist and that what we observe there is a parallel universe, then depending on what we observe it would be absolutely unreasonable to not apply our established laws of nature to that parallel universe at least to achieve an initial baseline understanding.

That would also be the case if we were to through such a rift observe a real marvel universe. Our universe and the main marvel universe for example are way way way way too similar for their differences to suggest/imply an innate difference in the baseline laws of physics, biology and chemistry.

Directly observing someone like magneto for example would not imply a difference in the baseline functionality of (electro)magnetism, considering how we would be able to observe (electro)magnetism working generally exactly the same way there as it does here. Much rather than that we would consider there being an additional process/mechanism through which magneto is able to manipulate (electro)magnetism the way he does.

So in the case of someone like iceman we would observe way too many similarities in the makeup of our universes, the functionality of stars, etc. that are all in line with thermodynamics as they appear to work in our universe as well, all of which wouldn't work the way it does with either thermodynamics themselves or the laws allowing us to describe thermodynamics being inherently different. Much rather than that we would consider there being a process/mechanism either simply unknown to us or even exclusive to that universe that allows iceman to work the way he does.

So in short: If we were to seriously observe/explore the marvel universe with the goal of trying to scientifically understand the way some of the really weird things there work, then, considering the massive amount of obvious similarities, reason would dictate us to apply our own laws of nature as a baseline and start from there.

Our own current understanding of our universe allows for so many things, from additional spacial dimensions and particles moving backwards through time to literal rifts/tunnels in spacetime and the spontaneous conversion from energy to matter, all probably weirder and harder to explain than someone like iceman, magneto or human torch.

did you write a thesis paper on this or something

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DarthPhal

This game has talking trees and foul mouthed anthropomorphic raccoons, but let us pause to analyze the physics of hellfire. 😂

@UmbertoDelRio that was very well put! It could be that the battlerealm applies our laws of physics but I did see an argument that if the battlerealm is another universe, and there’s a multiverse, then it must be that in one of these universes the laws of physics differ. Like how there’s a 100% chance of there being a universe in which dog-headed pigs rule the world because there are infinite worlds. But who knows if Newton’s 2nd law of motion or even general relativity applies in the battlerealm? Maybe the battlerealm does have a different set of physics. I mean in the first cutscene of the game the collector says that the normal laws of space and time don’t apply here, he can’t of been lying about that?

Ok to clarify on my point above it was Hammerbro 64 who said that in the previous didcussion

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ItsDamien

Some of the laws of Physics in the game don't apply though. The equal and opposite force for example. When you heavy attack someone and they go flying through the air but you don't shift in any direction yourself. Law of physics states an equal and opposite force would be applied to yourself.

There's a channel I used to watch that did a test based on the physics of Mortal Kombat and launching a person clean off the ground with an uppercut and found that it's humanly impossible to do so.

@ItsDamien when you punch somebody do you go flying back into the air? No (at least I hope not) the 3rd law is slightly more complicated then that but as a constant I found that at least 90% of animations actually push the attacker back very slightly

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SummonerNR

You didn’t follow through enough on the topic of GRAVITY to discuss the most glaring issue of heroes being able to fly (let's go with Hyperion, although the most obvious subject would be his equivalent character in the DC Universe, who needs to go unnamed in Marvel forums).

In order to fly, one would either need to follow aerodynamics within an atmosphere (either flapping or rotating of wings/rotors to build lift opposite that of the air, or once airborne being able to maintain horizontal flight via “lift” under gliding wings), or via propulsion (equal and opposite reaction, blah, blah) from expelling forced air or controlled energy in opposite direction from where you want to go.

Hyperion, Superm(oops), and others that can fly do not seem to exhibit any of these qualities. Except for Rocket Raccoon's jet pack, and Ironman's suits.

I guess you could argue that Magneto can levitate via Mag.Lev. principles, and could control the extent of his levitation via changing the strength of his magnetism. Although what that would be operating against would have to either be sufficient amount of naturally magnetized iron ore stone in the ground of whatever planetoids/asteroid he were on, or against whatever deeper Iron Core might exist (such as at the center of the Earth). But magnetism is fairly weak at distance.

@SummonerNR have you not seen X-Men apocalypse where Magneto uses the earths core to create a pyramid and destroy the camp where his parents were killed? Also good point. I think Hyperions flight comes from the way he uses wind and energy underneath him, it would be good to see an animation of leaves blowing under him etc.

Notsavage19

Also what's interesting is that there might be a force pushing back against a character if they move forward. We see this when a character misses an attack, even if the attack is ranged (think WS SP2). The character shifts back slightly when an attack is missed, meaning that the force exerted on the space where another character is standing is somehow directed back to the attacking character.

Of course, this is a mechanic to keep the two characters from both being in the same spot at once, but it's also interesting when this happens with projectile attacks since there is no risk of both characters being in the same spot with a bullet/arrow/etc. attack.

Notsavage19

A force exists in MCOC preventing characters from corps-a-corps contact.

We see this in the Miss/Phase mechanic, but also in the shifting of placement when a character heavy attacks another character against the wall versus anywhere else on the platform.