Human torch

Can Human torch reverse healing?

he doesn't reverse heal like a Warlock does. he just reduces the rate at which they do heal.

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Can Human torch reverse healing?
he doesn't reverse heal like a Warlock does. he just reduces the rate at which they do heal.

Warlock doesn't "reverse" heal, he blocks it. Torch's incinerates work in a way sort of similar to petrify, where it's overall heal reduction is percentage based, and can go to the negative zone, thereby reversing heal to various extents!

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Can Human torch reverse healing?
he doesn't reverse heal like a Warlock does. he just reduces the rate at which they do heal.

warlock only blocks healing. torch does reduce the rate of healing but he can eventually reverse it

Can Human torch reverse healing?
he doesn't reverse heal like a Warlock does. he just reduces the rate at which they do heal.

He’s a little confused but he’s got the right spirit

Actually he’s very confused

Reference

HT: reduce regeneration by 20%
Warlock: heal block

Agent_X_zzz

each incin reduces heal effectiveness by a flat 20%, so at 5 reverses, paired up with despair it can be done with less

lowlevelplayer

HT: reduce regeneration by 20%
Warlock: heal block

reduce regen by 20% per incinerate, meaning heal block

Can Human torch reverse healing?
he doesn't reverse heal like a Warlock does. he just reduces the rate at which they do heal.
He’s a little confused but he’s got the right spirit

Actually he’s very confused

actually no i'm not. lol geez man. why is everyone so quick to disagree these days. but i'll go ahead and just offer this up despite the fact that my original FACTUAL statement was so quickly targeted.

Human Torch DOES NOT reverse heal like the poster asked and not in the same vane as Warlock like i mentioned. He only reduces their regeneration rate based on his incinerates. So the opponent still heals .. just at a reduced clip. Can it be negative? Sure but the fact remains the opponent is still healing.

Now Warlock on the other hand (if awakened) does more than just heal block. He actually does reverse the process which means .. .instead of going up as healing does it then reverses and goes backward instead. He changes the function of the heal. (Torch does not).

With Warlock, the opponent no longer heals because each time they do, that process is REVERSED and they instead degen. He does this by way of his virus coupled with his signature ability. It amplifies his heal block and actually turns it into a heal reverse.

All it takes is a bit of dialog guys before you disagree or condemn someone's attempt to help which is all I was trying to do. I don't just answer questions for giggles.

Can Human torch reverse healing?
he doesn't reverse heal like a Warlock does. he just reduces the rate at which they do heal.
He’s a little confused but he’s got the right spirit

Actually he’s very confused

Now Warlock on the other hand (if awakened) does more than just heal block. He actually does reverse the process which means .. .instead of going up as healing does it then reverses and goes backward instead. He changes the function of the heal. (Torch does not).

With Warlock, the opponent no longer heals because each time they do, that process is REVERSED and they instead degen. He does this by way of his virus coupled with his signature ability. It amplifies his heal block and actually turns it into a heal reverse.

no offense, but this is plain wrong. I'm going to reference the champion spotlight here.

warlocks virus blocks healing. I think we can all agree on that.

so when the opponent heals, they are power drained. when they are power drained, his sig degens the opponent. this is far from a heal reversal.

they are two totally different things. first, he heal blocks. Then, he deals degen damage if they attempt to heal based on his abilities and sig. that is not heal reversal

here, we see that torch reduces healing by 20% per incinerate. according to the devs, dev notes are not supposed to be gospel and may not be totally confirmed abilities or something like that, so it's best to take them with a grain of salt, but this dev note is pretty cut and dry. His incinerates reduce the healing and can make it negative, aka reverse heal.

here, we see g2099 who has a similar ability with her sp2

@Thicco_Mode no offense taken amigo. BUT would you agree that when an opponent doesn't heal and at every attempt to heal, they instead lose health would be a reversal? i'm sure you would which is exactly what Warlock does.

dancing around it doesn't make it any less a reversal of a mechanic lol. when you attempt to heal, you degenerate instead.

but hey .. no worries man ... i think the OP has his answer. if you're looking for Torch to negatively impact the healing process .. yes he does that. and so does Warlock

Can Human torch reverse healing?
he doesn't reverse heal like a Warlock does. he just reduces the rate at which they do heal.
He’s a little confused but he’s got the right spirit

Actually he’s very confused
actually no i'm not. lol geez man. why is everyone so quick to disagree these days. but i'll go ahead and just offer this up despite the fact that my original FACTUAL statement was so quickly targeted.

Human Torch DOES NOT reverse heal like the poster asked and not in the same vane as Warlock like i mentioned. He only reduces their regeneration rate based on his incinerates. So the opponent still heals .. just at a reduced clip. Can it be negative? Sure but the fact remains the opponent is still healing.

Now Warlock on the other hand (if awakened) does more than just heal block. He actually does reverse the process which means .. .instead of going up as healing does it then reverses and goes backward instead. He changes the function of the heal. (Torch does not).

With Warlock, the opponent no longer heals because each time they do, that process is REVERSED and they instead degen. He does this by way of his virus coupled with his signature ability. It amplifies his heal block and actually turns it into a heal reverse.

All it takes is a bit of dialog guys before you disagree or condemn someone's attempt to help which is all I was trying to do. I don't just answer questions for giggles.

I- um... ughh... huh?

How did you manage to type all that and not realize you’re so wrong

@Thicco_Mode no offense taken amigo. BUT would you agree that when an opponent doesn't heal and at every attempt to heal, they instead lose health would be a reversal? i'm sure you would which is exactly what Warlock does.

dancing around it doesn't make it any less a reversal of a mechanic lol. when you attempt to heal, you degenerate instead.

but hey .. no worries man ... i think the OP has his answer. if you're looking for Torch to negatively impact the healing process .. yes he does that. and so does Warlock

but heal reversal is a literal thing in the game. it's when healing rate goes negative. does torch do that? yes. does warlock? no. I'd definitely agree that it does negatively affect them through degen, but the plain fact is that it's not a heal reversal. also not sure how I'm dancing around it? if anything, I went pretty in depth

@Thicco_Mode no offense taken amigo. BUT would you agree that when an opponent doesn't heal and at every attempt to heal, they instead lose health would be a reversal? i'm sure you would which is exactly what Warlock does.

dancing around it doesn't make it any less a reversal of a mechanic lol. when you attempt to heal, you degenerate instead.

but hey .. no worries man ... i think the OP has his answer. if you're looking for Torch to negatively impact the healing process .. yes he does that. and so does Warlock

Dude you rly need to stop thinking your so smart
WL does not heal reverse

His sig specifically says he deals damage when the opponent is power trained. So even if a node says the defender is power drain or burn immune his sig won’t work

Correlation does not equal causation genius
That’s like saying voids debuffs do damage

@Thicco_Mode no offense taken amigo. BUT would you agree that when an opponent doesn't heal and at every attempt to heal, they instead lose health would be a reversal? i'm sure you would which is exactly what Warlock does.

dancing around it doesn't make it any less a reversal of a mechanic lol. when you attempt to heal, you degenerate instead.

but hey .. no worries man ... i think the OP has his answer. if you're looking for Torch to negatively impact the healing process .. yes he does that. and so does Warlock
but heal reversal is a literal thing in the game. it's when healing rate goes negative. does torch do that? yes. does warlock? no. I'd definitely agree that it does negatively affect them through degen, but the plain fact is that it's not a heal reversal. also not sure how I'm dancing around it? if anything, I went pretty in depth

i like you man lol .. one of the few who actually engage in a conversation without the antics and shenanigans. it's a lost art with most on the internet. so i appreciate the dialog my friend.

BUT ... lol just kidding. no further comment. we can continue in DM (if so desired) so that this thread doesn't lose its intent or become a pointless back a forth banter.

again, appreciate the real dialog dude.

@Thicco_Mode best to not engage with him anymore he’s set and stone in his position where he believes he’s right.
The way mechanics work, function and interact is Important to clarify
Obviously he doesn’t get it and rather just spam nonsense and disagree

I applaud your patience

@Thicco_Mode no offense taken amigo. BUT would you agree that when an opponent doesn't heal and at every attempt to heal, they instead lose health would be a reversal? i'm sure you would which is exactly what Warlock does.

dancing around it doesn't make it any less a reversal of a mechanic lol. when you attempt to heal, you degenerate instead.

but hey .. no worries man ... i think the OP has his answer. if you're looking for Torch to negatively impact the healing process .. yes he does that. and so does Warlock
but heal reversal is a literal thing in the game. it's when healing rate goes negative. does torch do that? yes. does warlock? no. I'd definitely agree that it does negatively affect them through degen, but the plain fact is that it's not a heal reversal. also not sure how I'm dancing around it? if anything, I went pretty in depth
i like you man lol .. one of the few who actually engage in a conversation without the antics and shenanigans. it's a lost art with most on the internet. so i appreciate the dialog my friend.

BUT ... lol just kidding. no further comment. we can continue in DM so that this thread doesn't lost its intent or become a pointless back a forth banter.

again, appreciate the real dialog dude.

same to you my friend! mature people on these forums are a pleasure