Why Science/Mystic is statistically the best dual class crystal

Here's a spreadsheet I made that basically transforms Seatin's Tier List into drop rates for the basic and dual class crystals: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iJInCxqf5rTtmkdoIMdpVEILBOphFmNQMEtB8KePk30/edit?usp=sharing

Of course, this is kind of irrelevant if you're only looking for specific champs/classes. But for the majority of players with newer rosters like me, it would be helpful to know which crystal has the best overall pool for progression. In my opinion, any champ that's God Tier and above is considered a good pull.

So after doing some quick maths...

- Out of the 146 champs in the Basic pool, there's a 38% chance of a God Tier and above.
- Out of the 51 champs in the Mutant/Skill pool, a 33% chance of a God Tier and above.
- Out of the 44 champs in the Science/Mystic pool, a 41% chance of a God Tier and above.
- Out of the 51 champs in the Cosmic/Tech pool, a 39% chance of a God Tier and above.

Based on these stats, I would go for the Science/Mystic crystal if I only wanted the highest chance to pull God Tier and above champs and wasn't after certain champs/classes.

Check out the spreadsheet if you want all the nitty gritty details and stats for the rest of the tiers (I'll try my best to keep it up to date). Again, these are just numbers. In the end, it's really up to RNG whether or not you'll get the champs you want, and good luck with your pulls everyone!

Comments

WolverDominator

But odds depends on your current personal roster.
What if I want doom but already duped all other mystic science god tier + ???
It’s not the number of existing god tier you should count, but the number of desired ones ... 🤨

Thicco_Mode

pretty cool. I assumed that this was the case myself. but like @WolverDominator said, it depends on your roster. and newer players shouldn't always go for the same classes because they might not have enough of that class catalyst

Cowabunga

Yeah I agree as well. This would really only make sense in a vacuum like if this was your first 5*. Everything after that depends on your roster.

pete8388

I appreciate this write up. Let’s me know the basic isn’t so bad if I don’t know what I want and not targeting anyone specific. Coincidentally though, I really do need some science/mystic help

pete8388

@Cowabunga Do you like doing these type of statistics? If you do, would it possible to go one step further with this and add the 5 star featured crystal as well? Since the featured crystal costs more, you would have to factor that into the calculation.

It’s something I have been interested in, but have been too lazy to calculate myself. What is the real statistical value of paying extra for the featured compared to the basics?

TyEdge

@Cowabunga Do you like doing these type of statistics? If you do, would it possible to go one step further with this and add the 5 star featured crystal as well? Since the featured crystal costs more, you would have to factor that into the calculation.

It’s something I have been interested in, but have been too lazy to calculate myself. What is the real statistical value of paying extra for the featured compared to the basics?

The value is getting a jump on the new champs before they’re in the basic, honestly.

TyEdge

But odds depends on your current personal roster.
What if I want doom but already duped all other mystic science god tier + ???
It’s not the number of existing god tier you should count, but the number of desired ones ... 🤨

He specifically addressed that in his post, allowing that it’s different for filled-out rosters.

The other perk to science/mystic is that since it’s the smallest, your chance of a dupe is higher over time as well.

Iryse

Yet I got an Iron fist yesterday 🙄

Cowabunga

@Cowabunga Do you like doing these type of statistics? If you do, would it possible to go one step further with this and add the 5 star featured crystal as well? Since the featured crystal costs more, you would have to factor that into the calculation.

It’s something I have been interested in, but have been too lazy to calculate myself. What is the real statistical value of paying extra for the featured compared to the basics?

Yeah for sure! I'll compare them to the featured crystal to find out whether the extra 5k shards is worth the tradeoff. The featured pool changes a lot, so the value can increase or decrease every couple months.

KingKiah

I need aegon on both accounts so I'm going for skill and mutant until I get them
I have doom on one account so I could go mystic on my other for doom
That account also needs human torch
So it depends on what you need

Cowabunga

I need aegon on both accounts so I'm going for skill and mutant until I get them
I have doom on one account so I could go mystic on my other for doom
That account also needs human torch
So it depends on what you need

Yeah tbh all the dual crystals are pretty balanced. You can't really go wrong with picking one over the other.

SpideyFunko

I just saw the username...

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Ab_Samad

So much for a statistically the best dual class crystal lol

Cowabunga

So much for a statistically the best dual class crystal lol

Oof that's brutal.

Cowabunga

Anyways...featured crystal is up! I converted the basic and dual rates to match the cost of the featured crystal. And believe it or not, the featured crystal has the best value!

pete8388

Awesome! Thanks for your amazing work!

TyEdge

So much for a statistically the best dual class crystal lol
Oof that's brutal.

I opened 8 of them:
Antman
Wasp
Wasp
Iron Fist
Magik
Morningstar
Morningstar
Red Hulk

Magik was the only new champ. 5 were already duped. I know what you’re thinking...you should’ve hedged with another crystal. Well, I did three skill crystals. Karnak, Blue Cyclops and Night Thrasher. Even the last one stung, since I already awakened my 5 and already had the 6.

That’s okay. “Go clear some content and you’ll get something better,” you might say. I cleared variant 1 and added 20 sigs to Ronan.

At least I got Magik, and I have a 3-4 2015 gem. Blah.

Cowabunga

So much for a statistically the best dual class crystal lol
Oof that's brutal.
I opened 8 of them:
Antman
Wasp
Wasp
Iron Fist
Magik
Morningstar
Morningstar
Red Hulk

Magik was the only new champ. 5 were already duped. I know what you’re thinking...you should’ve hedged with another crystal. Well, I did three skill crystals. Karnak, Blue Cyclops and Night Thrasher. Even the last one stung, since I already awakened my 5 and already had the 6.

That’s okay. “Go clear some content and you’ll get something better,” you might say. I cleared variant 1 and added 20 sigs to Ronan.

At least I got Magik, and I have a 3-4 2015 gem. Blah.

I would gladly take all of those except for iron fist and antman

, but Magik is such a sick pull!

rdxevil

I don't have a single good mystic champ... All my mystic t4c are expiring so was waiting for this class from long time (yeah from the time it was announced)

Don't want to remember that moment again but here what I got from saving my crystals for around 3 months.. Including the crystals from 4th July deal..

Duped Wasp(okay but don't have ghost)
Cap America classic
Duped spider man classic
Rhino..

So frustrated that opened basic 5*
And duped iron man classic..

Game forced closed..
Next day went for nightmare to try again for doom and it was beyond all tier CYCLOPS

Game force closed.. Atleast not trying herald difficulty this time..

swmcsw

Don't worry, I've been trying for caiw for so long. Have a ton t2a and science t4cc in overflow. Had a bunch of shards from lol 100 and 4th July. Tried 7 crystals. All 7 mystics. Man thing dup, guilly dup, iron fist, dorm dup, loki dup, and doom dup who i already have sig 200 lol. Rng can suck sometimes.

Phuleproof

I've currently opened 8 of the mystic/science crystals as I need Doom, CV and Rulk most. What I got:

Iron Fist
Yellow Jacket
Man Thing
Diablo
Diablo
Sentry
Miles Morales
Man Thing

RNG is not my friend at the moment, but you've got to just keep chipping away

Pulyaman

Try duping Rhino on back to back crystals

Spurgeon14

In my want list for Mystic/Science included Doom, BWCV, and CAIW. My first 3 Mystic/Science crystals were as follows:

I was absolutely shocked I pulled back to back CAIWs and Sorcerer Supreme u is pretty sick too, I just need to get used to her. Yesterday I awakened my Hood. May try Tech/Cosmic next for Warlock or Ghost.

Toyota_2015

Thebg_J

Opened 2 5* got majik and HOOD, both useless when I already have a maxed 4* doom.

Never again 😂. I’ll stick to random, less disappointment

Bsweezy0821

Yeah I just pulled a 5* Loki from it... my bad luck with 5* continues

zuffy

Just garbage so far. Still no human torch

allinashes

I'm starting to sour on the duals a bit. They're an improvement if you're searching for a specific champ for content, but not the answer unfortunately.

I've opened 21 of the science/mystic looking for Torch for my Abyss team with zero luck. And an additional couple mutant/skill looking for NF. At this point, I'd gladly pay an additional 200k shards lump sum to be able to just get Torch or NF guaranteed.

I have a average roster for a low-ish spender who's been playing a while, with 113 5* champs. I'm not much interested in any more 5* champs besides Torch and NF for Abyss.

The thought that I could open another 20 crystals and still not get Torch or NF. Or that I could do 20 more of each for nothing makes me really tired.

Thebg_J

Recap- opened 2 5* science/mystic and got majik, HOOD. Already have a maxed 4* Doom, no need for the new 5*’s .

Opened a regular 5* before those 2^ and got venom the duck.

Just opened my 4th 5* (regular)......iron fist 😂😂🤪🤪🤬. 3 mystics and 1 cosmic so far.