Changes to Guardian

Rotelly

I purchased a large number of crystals based on Guardians synergy ability.

This is not what i "purchased" if it is changed!

Rotelly

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/215546/upcoming-change-to-guardians-true-northern-defense-synergy#latest

culturalreference1

i r5'ed guardian specifically for this synergy, if the armor up rating gives it the same or better damage reduction upon block/parry then fine by me.

TheLegend27

It looks like we'll still get the same benefit after the change, just from a different source (armor instead of BP). So what's the problem?

Rotelly

Will the armor buff only help champs like cull/stealth spiderman and hit monkey or only champs that generate armor buffs?

Rotelly

I went for him specifically for the interaction with domino and changed my masteries to max block prof

culturalreference1

Rotelly said:

Will the armor buff only help champs like cull/stealth spiderman and hit monkey or only champs that generate armor buffs?

no, every champion has an armor stat. this synergy should just increase that to a point that's equal or better than the block proficiency rating.

though i wonder if the block proficiency is better than having armor. in other words, what else depends on block proficiency that removing this synergy would affect? parry?

Rotelly

If block prof and armor were equal why have both?

Rotelly

guessing one reduces damage on blocking and the other reduces overall damage taken

culturalreference1

Rotelly said:

If block prof and armor were equal why have both?

because the block proficiency makes domino pretty op

Rotelly said:

guessing one reduces damage on blocking and the other reduces overall damage taken

the post says increase armor while blocking, so in every case it will only be during block.

how does true strike and the pierce mastery interact with this change? @Kabam Miike

The_enlightened

I wonder how it will interact with champs like Corvus’ true strike

Eb0ny-O-M4w

culturalreference1 said:

Rotelly said:

Will the armor buff only help champs like cull/stealth spiderman and hit monkey or only champs that generate armor buffs?

no, every champion has an armor stat. this synergy should just increase that to a point that's equal or better than the block proficiency rating.

But some champion's have 0 armor rating, while all have block proficiency

PurpleIsPimpin

Can we have some elaboration on this one? I used a 6* generic gem to awaken and 6* sigs because of how much I valued this synergy. This is a huge nerf, that fundamentally impacts his roster impact

Odachi

Rotelly said:

I purchased a large number of crystals based on Guardians synergy ability.

This is not what i "purchased" if it is changed!

Did you buy it specifically to buff your domino?

culturalreference1

will-o-wisp said:

culturalreference1 said:

Rotelly said:

Will the armor buff only help champs like cull/stealth spiderman and hit monkey or only champs that generate armor buffs?

no, every champion has an armor stat. this synergy should just increase that to a point that's equal or better than the block proficiency rating.

But some champion's have 0 armor rating, while all have block proficiency

does that make a difference?

Rotelly

Odachi said:

Rotelly said:

I purchased a large number of crystals based on Guardians synergy ability.

This is not what i "purchased" if it is changed!

Did you buy it specifically to buff your domino?

Yes, I have a 5* (r5) & 6* (r2) domino and this synergy was great for act 6 content

Doomsfist79

Rotelly said:

I purchased a large number of crystals based on Guardians synergy ability.

This is not what i "purchased" if it is changed!

You should know better by now.. sorry to say.. but that's on you.. anyone who's played this game for more than 6 months.. knows this is how it goes..

Worknprogress

It doesn't even work the same against higher CR opponents. Not sure why it needed to be changed but whatever. Who really cares what a R3 6* Domino does in RoL? She definitely doesn't do the same in act 6

Rotelly

Worknprogress said:

It doesn't even work the same against higher CR opponents. Not sure why it needed to be changed but whatever. Who really cares what a R3 6* Domino does in RoL? She definitely doesn't do the same in act 6

If you change your masteries to max block prof and bring 5/6* luke cage and IF every hit is perfect

Odachi

so why

Rotelly said:

Odachi said:

Rotelly said:

I purchased a large number of crystals based on Guardians synergy ability.

This is not what i "purchased" if it is changed!

Did you buy it specifically to buff your domino?

Yes, I have a 5* (r5) & 6* (r2) domino and this synergy was great for act 6 content

so why didn't you put him in the team from your other complaining post today about the skill day herald quest? Just wondering is all... https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/1349901

Worknprogress

Hmmm. I only tested her at R3 with 6* Guardian alone

Worknprogress

If that is the case absolutely no one can be mad it's getting changed. I was glad it didn't work when I tested bc I assumed it wouldn't need to be changed then

Rotelly

Because I didn't know what nodes were on the lane and focused on Mutant champs rather than block prof.

Demonzfyre

Rotelly said:

I purchased a large number of crystals based on Guardians synergy ability.

This is not what i "purchased" if it is changed!

I guess you missed the part in the ToS that they can make changes when they want without your permission. Plus you didn't buy crystals for the Synergy with Domino. No one knew what would happen when he was released. This was recent. Put your pitchforks away.

Worknprogress

I always run max block prof anyway so I'll check it out a little later

Rotelly

Demonzfyre said:

Rotelly said:

I purchased a large number of crystals based on Guardians synergy ability.

This is not what i "purchased" if it is changed!

I guess you missed the part in the ToS that they can make changes when they want without your permission. Plus you didn't buy crystals for the Synergy with Domino. No one knew what would happen when he was released. This was recent. Put your pitchforks away.

What do you mean no one knew what would happen when he was release? It was in his champion notes. Clear as day to anyone who can read

Demonzfyre

Rotelly said:

Demonzfyre said:

Rotelly said:

I purchased a large number of crystals based on Guardians synergy ability.

This is not what i "purchased" if it is changed!

I guess you missed the part in the ToS that they can make changes when they want without your permission. Plus you didn't buy crystals for the Synergy with Domino. No one knew what would happen when he was released. This was recent. Put your pitchforks away.

What do you mean no one knew what would happen when he was release? It was in his champion notes. Clear as day to anyone who can read

You didn't know that Domino was going to 3 bars of power right away.

Kabam Miike

culturalreference1 said:

Rotelly said:

If block prof and armor were equal why have both?

because the block proficiency makes domino pretty op

Rotelly said:

guessing one reduces damage on blocking and the other reduces overall damage taken

the post says increase armor while blocking, so in every case it will only be during block.

how does true strike and the pierce mastery interact with this change? @Kabam Miike

They will still interact with it, so it won't be very helpful against those nodes, BUT, this is a huge buff in other ways. For instance, nothing that interacts with Block Proficiency will interact with this Armor rating increase. Bubble Shield, Incinerate, and Soft Guard for example.

This is also a positive for any Champ that already has high Block Proficiency.

Ultimatheory

Demonzfyre said:

Rotelly said:

I purchased a large number of crystals based on Guardians synergy ability.

This is not what i "purchased" if it is changed!

I guess you missed the part in the ToS that they can make changes when they want without your permission. Plus you didn't buy crystals for the Synergy with Domino. No one knew what would happen when he was released. This was recent. Put your pitchforks away.

This was talked about almost as soon as the champion spotlight was released. You can go to the thread if you want and see that @C0atHang3r mentioned this interaction right on the first page.

I also snatched him up in arena specifically to pair with my 6* rank 3 Domino. I can understand it’s an OP synergy though so if they want to nerf it then c’est la vie. I don’t know how they could have missed it though since it was mentioned in the comment section of his spotlight and I saw it talked about in multiple chat rooms prior to his crystal and arena release.

culturalreference1

Kabam Miike said:

culturalreference1 said:

Rotelly said:

If block prof and armor were equal why have both?

because the block proficiency makes domino pretty op

Rotelly said:

guessing one reduces damage on blocking and the other reduces overall damage taken

the post says increase armor while blocking, so in every case it will only be during block.

how does true strike and the pierce mastery interact with this change? @Kabam Miike

They will still interact with it, so it won't be very helpful against those nodes, BUT, this is a huge buff in other ways. For instance, nothing that interacts with Block Proficiency will interact with this Armor rating increase. Bubble Shield, Incinerate, and Soft Guard for example.

This is also a positive for any Champ that already has high Block Proficiency.

thanks. sounds like a pretty decent trade off on the surface.

Demonzfyre

Ultimatheory said:

Demonzfyre said:

Rotelly said:

I purchased a large number of crystals based on Guardians synergy ability.

This is not what i "purchased" if it is changed!

I guess you missed the part in the ToS that they can make changes when they want without your permission. Plus you didn't buy crystals for the Synergy with Domino. No one knew what would happen when he was released. This was recent. Put your pitchforks away.

This was talked about almost as soon as the champion spotlight was released. You can go to the thread if you want and see that @C0atHang3r mentioned this interaction right on the first page.

I also snatched him up in arena specifically to pair with my 6* rank 3 Domino. I can understand it’s an OP synergy though so if they want to nerf it then c’est la vie. I don’t know how they could have missed it though since it was mentioned in the comment section of his spotlight and I saw it talked about in multiple chat rooms prior to his crystal and arena release.

@Ultimatheory



He did indeed mention it but no one was really talking about it much. Hadn't really seen any videos on it either since his release. Only could find a couple.

I don't know how it went unnoticed either.