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Warlock - Still “Beyond God Tier”?

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    HolrosHolros Posts: 361 ★★★
    Cliffordcan said:

    G99 is a garbage can next to Worlock. He is easily way better than her. Better power control (especially if the opponent regens). Can heal block literally the whole fight (not just reverse a tiny bit for a few seconds after SP2). Better regen. Better with suicides.

    He actually has a great damage output. Need to parry heavy for that bleed. Also, his SP2 slaps.

    No dumb finishing a fight with SP3, then being too powerful to get to SP3 the next fight and losing all your benefits and starting at square 0 for most content.

    If you are not sure of something you don't have to speak, better power control?, for real?.
    And besides all those cons of g99 are things that can easily be played around and I have given explanation countless times on how it can be done,so I won't do that here
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    HolrosHolros Posts: 361 ★★★
    Kill_Grey said:

    Cliffordcan said:

    G99 is a garbage can next to Worlock. He is easily way better than her. Better power control (especially if the opponent regens). Can heal block literally the whole fight (not just reverse a tiny bit for a few seconds after SP2). Better regen. Better with suicides.

    He actually has a great damage output. Need to parry heavy for that bleed. Also, his SP2 slaps.

    No dumb finishing a fight with SP3, then being too powerful to get to SP3 the next fight and losing all your benefits and starting at square 0 for most content.

    Bruh, you are spitting complete nonsense.

    Warlock does not have better power power control; I haven't seen anyone comfortably take on an all or nothing fight that is not a regener with him.

    His Regen is nowhere close to Guilly's. In fact, for saying that absolute nonsense, you are proving to be dumb. I don't see Warlock healing on his mediums with absolute ease, neither have I seen him shoot back up to 55% health almost instantly. You call a mediocre Regen of about 5% health per infection, that is only on his SP 3 good? You are tripping.

    As for heal countering, I agree that warlock beats Guilly in that regard; but I don't think I've seen a healing scenario that I can't overpower with Guilly. Have you ever heard of variant 3 Kang? RoL wolverine? LoL X-23? Those 3 easily have the most ridiculous Regen potentials in the game. Guilly soloes them without stress.

    And please, how is Warlock better with suicides? Please enlighten me. Because I've not seen warlock covering recoil damage just by throwing his mediums. I haven't seen him dip below 15% health due to recoil damage, and instantly shoot up to 50%+.

    It's apparent you haven't even played with Guilly. You might not like her, but don't say s**t about her, or you're inviting my attention.
    Preach pastor,PREACH!!!!
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    Kill_GreyKill_Grey Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★
    Lol, @Holros has joined the chat 😆

    Good to see you, sir ✊🏽
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    Normax_XNormax_X Posts: 540 ★★★
    Yes
    Kill_Grey said:

    Normax_X said:

    hIs DaMaGe SuCks
    and no i wasnt boosted, with class disadvantage and no synergies he's dropping 50k heavies

    Looks like a rank 3 6*, and I saw the word "fury" pop up, meaning you're probably playing against a biohazard cyclops with the Ultron synergy.

    If you claim "no synergies", then it could be icarus, I can also see you're probably running suicides.

    It's not every scenario you'd get such numbers bruh.
    as i said, without synergies he's dropping 50k heavies, the 70k is with ultron synergy on biohazard, not the highest damage in the world but nowhere close to bad damage

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    Kill_GreyKill_Grey Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★
    Normax_X said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Normax_X said:

    hIs DaMaGe SuCks
    and no i wasnt boosted, with class disadvantage and no synergies he's dropping 50k heavies

    Looks like a rank 3 6*, and I saw the word "fury" pop up, meaning you're probably playing against a biohazard cyclops with the Ultron synergy.

    If you claim "no synergies", then it could be icarus, I can also see you're probably running suicides.

    It's not every scenario you'd get such numbers bruh.
    as i said, without synergies he's dropping 50k heavies, the 70k is with ultron synergy on biohazard, not the highest damage in the world but nowhere close to bad damage

    Yeah, it's pretty damn OP, not gonna lie

    Lol
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    HolrosHolros Posts: 361 ★★★
    Kill_Grey said:

    Lol, @Holros has joined the chat 😆

    Good to see you, sir ✊🏽

    Same here big man,G99 gang for life (or until kabam nerfs her)
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    Kill_GreyKill_Grey Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★
    Holros said:

    Kill_Grey said:

    Lol, @Holros has joined the chat 😆

    Good to see you, sir ✊🏽

    Same here big man,G99 gang for life (or until kabam nerfs her)
    Lmao, it's way too late for that 😆

    I hope... 🥺
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    Normax_XNormax_X Posts: 540 ★★★
    Yes
    charmkevver said:

    Lunae said:

    Honestly I feel he's slightly overrated only because players remember his reputation pre fix, largely just because he was super beyond god tier and no ones really questioned it since. Can't say I'm a fan of my 6*, but I rarely feel the need or urge to even use him. His synergies are underrated though.

    This is what I was wondering , if more people felt this way. I think some ppl do but it looks like the majority still love this guy.

    As for guilly vs warlock, I only have experience with guilly and I love her. Fortunately for me I’m not choosing between them. I think I’d choose her. No one mentioned her non-crits either. But I agree warlock has better heal block and immunities but she outshines in power control, regen, and damage.

    I’m seeing some say his damage is good but what about without suicides? Does anyone play him like that in act 6? He seems like a noodle when I play him. And I don’t have time for noodles
    tbf I've only ever played him with suicides lol i cant argue whether his damage is way too crappy without them or not, but utility wise he covers up a LOT, i dont have guilly either so idk, but with suicides he's doing a hell of a gd job in war and act6 stuff

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    Kill_GreyKill_Grey Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★
    charmkevver said:

    Lunae said:

    Honestly I feel he's slightly overrated only because players remember his reputation pre fix, largely just because he was super beyond god tier and no ones really questioned it since. Can't say I'm a fan of my 6*, but I rarely feel the need or urge to even use him. His synergies are underrated though.

    This is what I was wondering , if more people felt this way. I think some ppl do but it looks like the majority still love this guy.

    As for guilly vs warlock, I only have experience with guilly and I love her. Fortunately for me I’m not choosing between them. I think I’d choose her. No one mentioned her non-crits either. But I agree warlock has better heal block and immunities but she outshines in power control, regen, and damage.

    I’m seeing some say his damage is good but what about without suicides? Does anyone play him like that in act 6? He seems like a noodle when I play him. And I don’t have time for noodles
    I have played around with Warlock a lot. Granted, he's just a 4*. But I've used him in RoL, act 5, act 6, monthly EQ (even in cavalier difficulty for the 4* challenge), I believe I've used him in war and AQ as well.

    What I'm trying to say is that I'm not a noob to playing warlock. All my opinions on him are based on my experiences playing him.
    Furthermore, even if I got a 5* in the future, I might not have much need to rank him up. For power control, I have Guilly, Quake, basically Ghost, Void, hulkbuster. For Regen control, I use Guilly to overpower that sometimes, but whenever I need some absolute control, I use my Void, or archangel. For immunities, Ghost, Claire and Guilly have me covered. For armor break, I have CMM and hulkbuster. For bleed, I've not really ran into scenarios where I absolutely need a bleeder other than "do you bleed"; but nevertheless AA somewhat has me covered in that regard.
    For sustainability through Regen, Claire and Guilly easily cover that as well.

    However, if I did get a 6*, I might have no choice but to use him, and I might decide to take him all the way to rank 3 since I'm at 50% of a tech, and also I reach the point where I'd have waited long enough for g99 or Ghost.

    What I'm saying is that I'm not really in need of his utilities, since I have other champs that do it better. Like is said a lot, he's the best against healing. But my AA does it better for me, because he's fast, efficient, and a lot of Regeners aren't immune to bleed or poison.
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    PulyamanPulyaman Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★
    Kill_Grey said:

    charmkevver said:

    Lunae said:

    Honestly I feel he's slightly overrated only because players remember his reputation pre fix, largely just because he was super beyond god tier and no ones really questioned it since. Can't say I'm a fan of my 6*, but I rarely feel the need or urge to even use him. His synergies are underrated though.

    This is what I was wondering , if more people felt this way. I think some ppl do but it looks like the majority still love this guy.

    As for guilly vs warlock, I only have experience with guilly and I love her. Fortunately for me I’m not choosing between them. I think I’d choose her. No one mentioned her non-crits either. But I agree warlock has better heal block and immunities but she outshines in power control, regen, and damage.

    I’m seeing some say his damage is good but what about without suicides? Does anyone play him like that in act 6? He seems like a noodle when I play him. And I don’t have time for noodles
    I have played around with Warlock a lot. Granted, he's just a 4*. But I've used him in RoL, act 5, act 6, monthly EQ (even in cavalier difficulty for the 4* challenge), I believe I've used him in war and AQ as well.

    What I'm trying to say is that I'm not a noob to playing warlock. All my opinions on him are based on my experiences playing him.
    Furthermore, even if I got a 5* in the future, I might not have much need to rank him up. For power control, I have Guilly, Quake, basically Ghost, Void, hulkbuster. For Regen control, I use Guilly to overpower that sometimes, but whenever I need some absolute control, I use my Void, or archangel. For immunities, Ghost, Claire and Guilly have me covered. For armor break, I have CMM and hulkbuster. For bleed, I've not really ran into scenarios where I absolutely need a bleeder other than "do you bleed"; but nevertheless AA somewhat has me covered in that regard.
    For sustainability through Regen, Claire and Guilly easily cover that as well.

    However, if I did get a 6*, I might have no choice but to use him, and I might decide to take him all the way to rank 3 since I'm at 50% of a tech, and also I reach the point where I'd have waited long enough for g99 or Ghost.

    What I'm saying is that I'm not really in need of his utilities, since I have other champs that do it better. Like is said a lot, he's the best against healing. But my AA does it better for me, because he's fast, efficient, and a lot of Regeners aren't immune to bleed or poison.
    I am not saying you are wrong. But, the reason Warlock is considered very good is he does a lot of things. He might not be the best heal block or armor break or damage or regen or have a lots if immunities, but he can do all of these effortlessly. I don't really like champs that regen when health get low, just a personal preference. G2099 cannot armor break, CMM cannot heal up at will, AA has no immunities, Void cannot bleed. See what I mean? The champs that listed cannot do what Warlock can do. They have a single utility, Warlock is a Swiss army knife.
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    RockypantherxRockypantherx Posts: 3,900 ★★★★★
    Yes
    charmkevver said:

    Normax_X said:



    tbf I've only ever played him with suicides lol i cant argue whether his damage is way too crappy without them or not, but utility wise he covers up a LOT, i dont have guilly either so idk, but with suicides he's doing a hell of a gd job in war and act6 stuff

    If it’s a case that he’s just a really good suicides champ, I can understand. That’s just like Omega.
    His damage is still pretty good without suicides. I used him throughout Act 6 100% without suicides and he did perfectly well.

    On a side note, Omega doesn’t need the suicides either. He was my second most used champ in Act 6 100% behind Ghost.

    Both become much better with suicides, but neither require them
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    RockypantherxRockypantherx Posts: 3,900 ★★★★★
    Yes
    charmkevver said:

    The broader question here is Swiss Army knife vs. Specialist. Jack of all trades vs Master. Warlock is the jack of all trades but is he best at any one single thing? Probably not, but he’s got versatility which means he’s probably best in a progressing roster vs an endgame roster stacked with specialists.

    Is that pretty much the case? Or is warlock best at one single thing? Anyone with experience?

    I’ve got a pretty stacked roster (around 30+ R5/R2’s, and a R3). I still find him incredibly useful in any situation with healing, in fact he’s my number 1 counter. The infection is just so powerful
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    EtjamaEtjama Posts: 7,981 ★★★★★
    Yes
    Still top 6 champ in the game imo.
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    EtjamaEtjama Posts: 7,981 ★★★★★
    Yes
    And he in no way needs suicides. I was using him for path clearing in 6.4 completion with no suicides. Had zero problems whatsoever.
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    BerjibsBerjibs Posts: 1,523 ★★★★
    Yes
    Predictable thread direction going on here - making stuff up to argue a point.

    Never played warlock in post nerf act 6 yet alone pre nerf but telling everyone that has what the score is. Lools ok guys.
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    BerjibsBerjibs Posts: 1,523 ★★★★
    Yes
    Reminds me of the “nobody got aegon to 500/1000 combo in act 6” comments the other day.

    Er yep done both actually. 🙈

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    BerjibsBerjibs Posts: 1,523 ★★★★
    edited October 2020
    Yes
    Holros said:

    Cliffordcan said:

    G99 is a garbage can next to Worlock. He is easily way better than her. Better power control (especially if the opponent regens). Can heal block literally the whole fight (not just reverse a tiny bit for a few seconds after SP2). Better regen. Better with suicides.

    He actually has a great damage output. Need to parry heavy for that bleed. Also, his SP2 slaps.

    No dumb finishing a fight with SP3, then being too powerful to get to SP3 the next fight and losing all your benefits and starting at square 0 for most content.

    If you are not sure of something you don't have to speak,


    ☝️some good advice here
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    HolrosHolros Posts: 361 ★★★
    Berjibs said:

    Predictable thread direction going on here - making stuff up to argue a point.

    Never played warlock in post nerf act 6 yet alone pre nerf but telling everyone that has what the score is. Lools ok guys.

    I know right, agenda gas agend(pidgin for anything to push the agenda)
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    HolrosHolros Posts: 361 ★★★
    Berjibs said:

    Holros said:

    Cliffordcan said:

    G99 is a garbage can next to Worlock. He is easily way better than her. Better power control (especially if the opponent regens). Can heal block literally the whole fight (not just reverse a tiny bit for a few seconds after SP2). Better regen. Better with suicides.

    He actually has a great damage output. Need to parry heavy for that bleed. Also, his SP2 slaps.

    No dumb finishing a fight with SP3, then being too powerful to get to SP3 the next fight and losing all your benefits and starting at square 0 for most content.

    If you are not sure of something you don't have to speak,


    ☝️some good advice here
    Thanks big man
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    BerjibsBerjibs Posts: 1,523 ★★★★
    Yes
    Holros said:

    Berjibs said:

    Holros said:

    Cliffordcan said:

    G99 is a garbage can next to Worlock. He is easily way better than her. Better power control (especially if the opponent regens). Can heal block literally the whole fight (not just reverse a tiny bit for a few seconds after SP2). Better regen. Better with suicides.

    He actually has a great damage output. Need to parry heavy for that bleed. Also, his SP2 slaps.

    No dumb finishing a fight with SP3, then being too powerful to get to SP3 the next fight and losing all your benefits and starting at square 0 for most content.

    If you are not sure of something you don't have to speak,


    ☝️some good advice here
    Thanks big man
    Soz I’m just teasing
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    EtjamaEtjama Posts: 7,981 ★★★★★
    edited October 2020
    Yes
    Healing is a big problem in this game and Warlock counters it better than anyone. That's why he's used everywhere. He's used a ton in War, he's used everywhere in Act 6, he's even used for niche fights in Abyss. That's why he'll always be above G99 in my eyes. She doesn't do anything better than anyone else.

    And anyone who says his damage is trash hasn't bothered to use him. His damage is probably better than 80% of champs in this game. The G99 lovers always ignore her initial ramp-up. Warlock will be done with the first 3 fights before G99's first one is down.

    (Didn't wanna make this a Warlock vs. G99 thread, but that happened long before I got here and I'm not going to deal with people trashing on Warlock for no reason.)
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