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Okay but for real, why do I still hear people say Taskmaster is bad?

Hammerbro_64Hammerbro_64 Posts: 6,624 ★★★★★


I’m not saying TM is the best thing ever, or that he comes close to NF and Ægon, but I still tend to see the general consensus on Taskmaster as a bad champ. He’s not the best for everything, but for where he works, he WORKS. Let’s break it down.

For all numbers I will be using the stuff for a max sig 5/65

Very quickly you will build up a permanent 60% DAAR and a 50% OAAR by executing and baiting different movetypes (light medium heavy L1 L2 and for DAAR, L3). That alone is pretty solid. With 4 exploit weakness concussions, that is already another 50% reduction. A few hits later and bam- 65% AAR, totaling to 125% DAAR and 115% OAAR. For 20 seconds. Anyone who can do that much AAR relatively easily is already pretty solid. But wait, there’s more!

His OAAR from baiting different attacks also raises your perfect block chance by 10% each. That’s a +50% perfect block chance.

One of his coolest abilities imo is his gradual debuff immunity. After 10 debuffs, he can’t gain any more, making him a solid Aarkus counter, a near perfect Havok counter, really any non stacking-dot effects are no problem. Personal space void? No problem. I would go on more about counters, but I think you get the idea. Plenty of nodes he counters handily with that ability.

His heavy-miss mechanic is particularly unappreciated. Not only is it good for building to 5 concussions, but say you are in the process of being pinned in the corner by an obnoxious opponent. Bait out a heavy to set that as your exploit weakness, and you have an easy out with the 1 second miss in case they throw a melee special against the wall, another heavy attack, etc. Obviously you will have to be pretty tight with the timing, but nobody is saying TM doesn’t require moderate levels of skill.

As for damage, when the concussion passive is up, because exploit weakness never expires, you can rack up lots of damage (about 2k bonus damage per “exploit”). This may not seem like a lot, but with L1 set as the target, where you have 4 hits a pop, plus additional bleed damage from the 5+ debuffs in play, it can add up to where damage isn’t a failing point. (It’s not the best, but he has respectable enough damage to where his utility compensates)

I know TM gets a lot of attention (and negative press with the whole maxgaming hullabaloo), but I wanted to share this so people realize that TM is a pretty solid champ worth playing if you can get him duped and sigged up a bit.
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  • Moot4LifeMoot4Life Posts: 2,132 ★★★★
    nah he sucks
  • Thicco_ModeThicco_Mode Posts: 8,780 ★★★★★
    woah an educated person talking about tm. very nice
  • Hammerbro_64Hammerbro_64 Posts: 6,624 ★★★★★
    Moot4Life said:

    nah he sucks

    How though? He has permanent strong AAR for both defense and offense abilities, non-DOT immunity (essentially), strong block proficiency, and respectable damage.

    I remember you saying Hawkeye is better. He has a bleed and a power drain. Das it.
  • KDSuperFlash10KDSuperFlash10 Posts: 5,612 ★★★★★
    He's just not special. His AAR is not 100% and he has no unique abilities that'll make you wanna bring him in a team.
  • Negative_100Negative_100 Posts: 725 ★★★
    I r4 him and I got alot of hate for that. He's unawakened but I still don't regret it.
  • Hammerbro_64Hammerbro_64 Posts: 6,624 ★★★★★
    edited October 2020

    He's just not special. His AAR is not 100% and he has no unique abilities that'll make you wanna bring him in a team.

    Havok and Aarkus counter? Noded-up void counter? The concussions do get to 125%D and 115%O AAR.

    He’s not very broad in terms of usage, as stated, but there are plenty of places he is very handy to have.
  • Negative_100Negative_100 Posts: 725 ★★★

    He's just not special. His AAR is not 100% and he has no unique abilities that'll make you wanna bring him in a team.

    Havok and Aarkus counter? Noded-up void counter? The concussions do get to 125%D and 115%O AAR.

    He’s not very broad in terms of usage, as stated, but there are plenty of places he is very handy to have.
    In my opinion he's the best void counter.
  • KDSuperFlash10KDSuperFlash10 Posts: 5,612 ★★★★★

    He's just not special. His AAR is not 100% and he has no unique abilities that'll make you wanna bring him in a team.

    Havok and Aarkus counter? Noded-up void counter? The concussions do get to 125%D and 115%O AAR.

    He’s not very broad in terms of usage, as stated, but there are plenty of places he is very handy to have.
    Why bring Taskmaster to those fights when you can just bring a better option that tackles more content? Most people use Colossus, Warlock, or Guillotine 2099 for Havok and never look back. Most people use nullifying mystics like Doom and Sym Supreme for Vision (Aarkus). Most people use better skill champs that shrug off debuffs for Void like Aegon, Nick Fury, or even Elsa Bloodstone. But the concussions also require an aggressive play style and the opponents playing into you and they don't have 100% uptime when inflicted. He's an alright champ, nothing special.
  • Hammerbro_64Hammerbro_64 Posts: 6,624 ★★★★★
    @Monke yeah that’s fair. In terms of damage he does lean on synergies a little bit. Utility wise he still is good as can be solo.

    @mlg420_360noscope that is the issue isn’t it? With champs like Quake who are more convenient or champs like Spelthy who have a similar utility piece as TM but with more damage, it is hard to really work into endgame meta. But for people who aren’t quite there like myself, he is still pretty nice.
  • Moot4LifeMoot4Life Posts: 2,132 ★★★★

    Moot4Life said:

    nah he sucks

    How though? He has permanent strong AAR for both defense and offense abilities, non-DOT immunity (essentially), strong block proficiency, and respectable damage.

    I remember you saying Hawkeye is better. He has a bleed and a power drain. Das it.
    because hawkeye is better, the hemorrhage is unlimited with taskmaster synergy and his power drain can delay special attacks by a lot.

    taskmaster is worse because he needs sig level and duplication so a. why would you ever spend those materials on him b. even if he has that he is still sub par and requires an agressive playstyle thats why. also his AAR is unreliable because if you are going into a fight that needs it you wont rely on like 50% you need max possible. and 3 of his exploit weakness equals 1 of his normal bleeds.
  • Moot4LifeMoot4Life Posts: 2,132 ★★★★
    it is a good write up though i will admit
  • Hammerbro_64Hammerbro_64 Posts: 6,624 ★★★★★
    Yeah I agree with a lot of the reasons as to why he isn’t heavily used, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t good anywhere like Groot or DD Netflix.

    I hate to see a champ that is surprisingly solid (except in damage tbh) be treated as the about same tier as folks like Gambit and YJ.
  • Moot4LifeMoot4Life Posts: 2,132 ★★★★

    Yeah I agree with a lot of the reasons as to why he isn’t heavily used, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t good anywhere like Groot or DD Netflix.

    I hate to see a champ that is surprisingly solid (except in damage tbh) be treated as the about same tier as folks like Gambit and YJ.

    cause he is, yellowjacket and gambit both have decent damage with little utility and that is it. he is the inverse.
  • Negative_100Negative_100 Posts: 725 ★★★
    Moot4Life said:

    Yeah I agree with a lot of the reasons as to why he isn’t heavily used, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t good anywhere like Groot or DD Netflix.

    I hate to see a champ that is surprisingly solid (except in damage tbh) be treated as the about same tier as folks like Gambit and YJ.

    cause he is, yellowjacket and gambit both have decent damage with little utility and that is it. he is the inverse.
    No he isn't
  • Moot4LifeMoot4Life Posts: 2,132 ★★★★

    Moot4Life said:

    Yeah I agree with a lot of the reasons as to why he isn’t heavily used, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t good anywhere like Groot or DD Netflix.

    I hate to see a champ that is surprisingly solid (except in damage tbh) be treated as the about same tier as folks like Gambit and YJ.

    cause he is, yellowjacket and gambit both have decent damage with little utility and that is it. he is the inverse.
    No he isn't
    "I hate to see a champ that is surprisingly solid (except in damage tbh)"
    poster said himself he is the inverse
  • Negative_100Negative_100 Posts: 725 ★★★
    I think of you get 5 concussions the exploit weakness resets immediately. Also the five concussions turn into a really long passive concussion.
  • Moot4LifeMoot4Life Posts: 2,132 ★★★★

    I think of you get 5 concussions the exploit weakness resets immediately. Also the five concussions turn into a really long passive concussion.

    so does concussion fall in damage, or utility?
  • Fluffy_pawsFluffy_paws Posts: 1,943 ★★★★★
    I thought this was MaxGaming with their second appreciation thread.

    My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
  • Hammerbro_64Hammerbro_64 Posts: 6,624 ★★★★★
    Moot4Life said:

    Moot4Life said:

    Yeah I agree with a lot of the reasons as to why he isn’t heavily used, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t good anywhere like Groot or DD Netflix.

    I hate to see a champ that is surprisingly solid (except in damage tbh) be treated as the about same tier as folks like Gambit and YJ.

    cause he is, yellowjacket and gambit both have decent damage with little utility and that is it. he is the inverse.
    No he isn't
    "I hate to see a champ that is surprisingly solid (except in damage tbh)"
    poster said himself he is the inverse
    I said he wasn’t solid in damage. He is workable enough to where it’s not something disgusting like Ebony Maw’s output, but it’s nothing compared to someone you think of as having a big dps.
  • Negative_100Negative_100 Posts: 725 ★★★
    Kind of both when you get 5 stacked.
  • Moot4LifeMoot4Life Posts: 2,132 ★★★★

    Moot4Life said:

    Moot4Life said:

    Yeah I agree with a lot of the reasons as to why he isn’t heavily used, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t good anywhere like Groot or DD Netflix.

    I hate to see a champ that is surprisingly solid (except in damage tbh) be treated as the about same tier as folks like Gambit and YJ.

    cause he is, yellowjacket and gambit both have decent damage with little utility and that is it. he is the inverse.
    No he isn't
    "I hate to see a champ that is surprisingly solid (except in damage tbh)"
    poster said himself he is the inverse
    I said he wasn’t solid in damage. He is workable enough to where it’s not something disgusting like Ebony Maw’s output, but it’s nothing compared to someone you think of as having a big dps.
    What is the inverse of having good damage and little utility? Having good utility and little damage. Compared to his utility, his damage is trash. Or you could say, his damage is not solid. Like you said.
  • MaxGamingMaxGaming Posts: 2,572 ★★★★
    Monke said:

    Mainly because Max has been on a rampage saying characters like Longshot and others gods are trash. So we uno reverse card him


    He ain't bad tho, he is synergy reliant for god tier potential.

    only problems are the nodes that prevent power gain, immunities, and also his synergy members aren't great

    People's argument for him being better is that ghost requires synergies

    Which is 100% incorrect. Also, her synergy mate is Wasp, who is easily a God tier packed with utility, whereas Taskmaster is paired up with Crossbones and Hawkeye (no offense to anyone who likes those characters)

    Solid damage, but for me, the utility isn't much, like how Warlock has insane utility, like power drain, heal block, and some might not know, but he reduces offensive aar which can help prevent some abilities from triggering (not a huge amount)

    Great write up @Hammerbro_64!

    I never said they are trash i said meh I dont like them
  • Fluffy_pawsFluffy_paws Posts: 1,943 ★★★★★
    MaxGaming said:

    Monke said:

    Mainly because Max has been on a rampage saying characters like Longshot and others gods are trash. So we uno reverse card him


    He ain't bad tho, he is synergy reliant for god tier potential.

    only problems are the nodes that prevent power gain, immunities, and also his synergy members aren't great

    People's argument for him being better is that ghost requires synergies

    Which is 100% incorrect. Also, her synergy mate is Wasp, who is easily a God tier packed with utility, whereas Taskmaster is paired up with Crossbones and Hawkeye (no offense to anyone who likes those characters)

    Solid damage, but for me, the utility isn't much, like how Warlock has insane utility, like power drain, heal block, and some might not know, but he reduces offensive aar which can help prevent some abilities from triggering (not a huge amount)

    Great write up @Hammerbro_64!

    I never said they are trash i said meh I dont like them
    <img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029252/uploads/editor/ea/mqn5awng1fvc.jpg" alt="
    Bruh
  • Fluffy_pawsFluffy_paws Posts: 1,943 ★★★★★
    MaxGaming said:

    Monke said:

    Mainly because Max has been on a rampage saying characters like Longshot and others gods are trash. So we uno reverse card him


    He ain't bad tho, he is synergy reliant for god tier potential.

    only problems are the nodes that prevent power gain, immunities, and also his synergy members aren't great

    People's argument for him being better is that ghost requires synergies

    Which is 100% incorrect. Also, her synergy mate is Wasp, who is easily a God tier packed with utility, whereas Taskmaster is paired up with Crossbones and Hawkeye (no offense to anyone who likes those characters)

    Solid damage, but for me, the utility isn't much, like how Warlock has insane utility, like power drain, heal block, and some might not know, but he reduces offensive aar which can help prevent some abilities from triggering (not a huge amount)

    Great write up @Hammerbro_64!

    I never said they are trash i said meh I dont like them


    Bruh
  • FintechFintech Posts: 126 ★★
    edited October 2020
    (ignore this one)
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