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Hear me out... Ronin is the number 1 6* skill champ for non-endgame players
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I understand that overall, Ronin is not close to first.
BUT - AS A 6*, FOR NON-ENDGAME PLAYERS, I SAY HE IS.
The 6* requirement instantly eliminates Blade. Also, he kinda needs sig OR synergies (or both). If he ever becomes 6* available, Ronin will have competition, but I still think Ronin will be better bc ronin works on his own unawakened and is more suicide friendly (blade can't get rid of Liquid Courage).
AEgon and NF need to be awakened - so you pretty much need to have either insane luck, open a whole lot of 6* crystals, have beaten abyss and gotten lucky or just explored abyss, or have explored act 6 and gotten lucky—all but one of which basically means you're endgame—you just can't get them that.
Hit-Monkey seems good at a glance. But overall, he doesn't bleed the opponent enough to be super effective on do you bleed-esque nodes. His block proficiency absolutely sucks, which is another flaw.
Taskmaster - even @MaxGaming doesn't really bother with you. Personally, i think he's pretty good but needs his sig for the utility boost, which puts him sort of in a category w NF and AEgon. Frankly, tho, who would bother awakening him? Even if he's awakened, he's probs worse than Ronin.
Killmonger is a top 5 defender in the game, and I personally think this has created a misconception that he's better on offense than he is... I mean what even are those bleeds? He gains power when he gets debuffs, but doesn't actually get rid of them? Like really???? Overall, way overrated as an attacker.
Gwenpool is also kind of overrated. She has nice bleeds and enervate (good for high level energize, surging vengeance, etc), but isn't an evade counter or a great counter for any other hard defensive champs or nodes - RONIN IS!
Nightthrasher doesn't deal enough damage. He takes a while to ramp up, is stressful, and then still doesn't have great output. Also, any rapid metabolism, tenacity, or purify renders him absolutely useless. And he's supposed to be a skill champ somehow? His basic abilities are like a science champ and his sig is like a tech champ? I mean wth is this?
BWDO is a very good champ. I love her playstyle. But in the current meta, skill means three things: Bleeds, Purify, and Crits—the first two especially. She gets some nice cruelties off the L3 but has no bleed or purify mechanic. This means that if she's your skill champ, you've got a roster hole - none of your champs can handle nodes skill champs are meant to handle, unless you want to decrease your class diversity by adding another skill champ (creating another hole).
Elsa is exactly the same as BWDO, except she can sort of purify. Still no bleeds tho.
Stealthy I absolutely love. He's my top prestige champ and I have him 5/65 at high sig. BUT - SAME AS BWDO!!! Where's the purify and bleeds!!! He has absurdly high raw damage, and is an amazing evade/unstoppable counter, all of which is nice, but he, once again, doesn't fulfill the purpose of a skill champion. If you look at cav diff, you see that in the "Skill" quest, the boost helps Ronin (a real skill champ) massively, but just power locks Stealthy. Putting him on your team means losing the ability to face the niche skill nodes.
So I've already made a super long post about Ronin (see: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/223627/another-the-most-underrated-champion-thread), and that basically sums up why I think he's really good. He has the "skill" mechanics the others don't, has a nice perfect block chance, has disorient + passive defensive AAR. He's great on all kinds of nodes. he doesn't need his sig. Et cetera, et cetera.
Overall, for players who can't awaken NF and AEgon (so pretty much non-endgame players), in my humble opinion, he is the best skill 6*.
I understand that overall, Ronin is not close to first.
BUT - AS A 6*, FOR NON-ENDGAME PLAYERS, I SAY HE IS.
The 6* requirement instantly eliminates Blade. Also, he kinda needs sig OR synergies (or both). If he ever becomes 6* available, Ronin will have competition, but I still think Ronin will be better bc ronin works on his own unawakened and is more suicide friendly (blade can't get rid of Liquid Courage).
AEgon and NF need to be awakened - so you pretty much need to have either insane luck, open a whole lot of 6* crystals, have beaten abyss and gotten lucky or just explored abyss, or have explored act 6 and gotten lucky—all but one of which basically means you're endgame—you just can't get them that.
Hit-Monkey seems good at a glance. But overall, he doesn't bleed the opponent enough to be super effective on do you bleed-esque nodes. His block proficiency absolutely sucks, which is another flaw.
Taskmaster - even @MaxGaming doesn't really bother with you. Personally, i think he's pretty good but needs his sig for the utility boost, which puts him sort of in a category w NF and AEgon. Frankly, tho, who would bother awakening him? Even if he's awakened, he's probs worse than Ronin.
Killmonger is a top 5 defender in the game, and I personally think this has created a misconception that he's better on offense than he is... I mean what even are those bleeds? He gains power when he gets debuffs, but doesn't actually get rid of them? Like really???? Overall, way overrated as an attacker.
Gwenpool is also kind of overrated. She has nice bleeds and enervate (good for high level energize, surging vengeance, etc), but isn't an evade counter or a great counter for any other hard defensive champs or nodes - RONIN IS!
Nightthrasher doesn't deal enough damage. He takes a while to ramp up, is stressful, and then still doesn't have great output. Also, any rapid metabolism, tenacity, or purify renders him absolutely useless. And he's supposed to be a skill champ somehow? His basic abilities are like a science champ and his sig is like a tech champ? I mean wth is this?
BWDO is a very good champ. I love her playstyle. But in the current meta, skill means three things: Bleeds, Purify, and Crits—the first two especially. She gets some nice cruelties off the L3 but has no bleed or purify mechanic. This means that if she's your skill champ, you've got a roster hole - none of your champs can handle nodes skill champs are meant to handle, unless you want to decrease your class diversity by adding another skill champ (creating another hole).
Elsa is exactly the same as BWDO, except she can sort of purify. Still no bleeds tho.
Stealthy I absolutely love. He's my top prestige champ and I have him 5/65 at high sig. BUT - SAME AS BWDO!!! Where's the purify and bleeds!!! He has absurdly high raw damage, and is an amazing evade/unstoppable counter, all of which is nice, but he, once again, doesn't fulfill the purpose of a skill champion. If you look at cav diff, you see that in the "Skill" quest, the boost helps Ronin (a real skill champ) massively, but just power locks Stealthy. Putting him on your team means losing the ability to face the niche skill nodes.
So I've already made a super long post about Ronin (see: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/223627/another-the-most-underrated-champion-thread), and that basically sums up why I think he's really good. He has the "skill" mechanics the others don't, has a nice perfect block chance, has disorient + passive defensive AAR. He's great on all kinds of nodes. he doesn't need his sig. Et cetera, et cetera.
Overall, for players who can't awaken NF and AEgon (so pretty much non-endgame players), in my humble opinion, he is the best skill 6*.
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You’ve also completely undersold stealthy. Because he can’t bleed or purify debuffs he’s not as good as Ronin? I don’t agree with that logic. He super useful for loads of act 6 boss fights, whereas Ronin isn’t. That puts him FAR above ronin for me.
No one uses the power from debuff thing unless it’s icarus. That’s a defensive ability.
Educate yourself. https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/225495/a-guide-of-the-killmonger-variety-from-a-killmonger-player#latest
As for the main point of your post, I disagree somewhat. I can absolutely see your argument, however, you seem to base skill champions usefulness off of Purify and bleed, which I don’t agree with. Bleed is a useful mechanic, but other skill champions have access to much more important mechanics. Purify is great, but again, it’s a somewhat nicher requirement. Most of the time immunities are just going to be better.
But also. What do class as an endgame player? Cav, Throne breaker, breaker of thrones. Because that has a massive impact on your argument. Where do you draw the distinction? If your talking about a player in act 5, then sure I can see it; maybe even early act 6, but anything past that and you don’t want the Swiss army knifeness ronin brings, you want champions that do one or two specific things the best, which I don’t think Ronin does
I wound argue that Hit Monkey, Elsa, Killmonger, Stealthy and Gwenpool are all better candidates for a first 6*. Gwenpool maybe less so these days, but again, that depends on your distinction. My 4* Gwenpool carried me through a very large portion of Act 5 unawakened. Stealthy is 1000% above in my eyes, I dont accept your argument to the contrary. Hit Monkey we haven’t really seen have much prominence or use yet, but I think I would rather have him.
In saying all of this, I don’t own a 5 or 6 star version of ronin unfortunately, so I’ve haven’t had the chance to test his usefulness for myself. All the info I have is from the likes of you and master puff, which I think you’ll understand when I say, you’re both not exactly objective when I comes to Ronin. But I get that, I’m maybe the same with Killmonger.
If duped then nick
Great post though, I pulled 5* ronin on one of my alt accounts, was hoping he had uses.
Also bleed is the debuff with the most common resistance/immune champions with 34. (Poison has the same but it also doesn’t have champions like OR, Elsa bloodstone and Havok who directly turn it into a negative and whom I didn’t include onto that 34)
There’s even 2 special masteries reducing its duration and potency by 30%
Overall I think yes, Ronin is the perfect “old” skill champ. However in the new meta and age of the game, Elsa Bloodstone is.
It's not that Ronin isn't the #1 6* skill champ unawakened (of course he is), but I don't like the way you tried to promote Ronin, by downgrading other champs
@Masterpuff did a far better job explaining why Ronin is a great champion to rank up (don't take it personal)
And the part where you are saying that skill champs must have: Bleed, Purify, Crits, it's not that accurate.
15 out of 32 Skill champs can bleed
9 out of 32 Skill champs can purify a debuff
As far as the Crit goes, Corvus and Ghost would like to have a word with you. The ability to crit isn't class specific at all