Reasoning behind Gambit nerf?

WRIR

Honestly I feel like 400% doesn't break the game, and we were given a champion spotlight. Why was he nerfed after that? Why do you show us things and then subsequently nerf them for seemingly no reason. I just don't understand. I was very happy about the gambit update. Had you either not shown us 400% in the spotlight, or better yet, left it alone, I still would be. But I feel bad because you gimped gambits damage, when he isn't even friggen magneto!

DarkSoulDLX

Your right 400% Special damage isn't really anything game breaking. In my view he still is quite a vastly damage limited champion

TrashPanda12

Agreed. He kinda relies on crits on his specials so 400% boost would not break the game.

DarkSoulDLX

TrashPanda12 said:

Agreed. He kinda relies on crits on his specials so 400% boost would not break the game.

I would change his awakened ability to optimize critical rating as well and my point is he is far from the most versatile and most powerful damage output in the game - people should comprehend that

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Kabam Miike

After the time the spotlight was written, a bug with Gambit was found where his sig was not properly increasing his crit damage per prowess. After fixing this bug his damage was much higher than we had wanted, to bring it back to a manageable level we reduced the potency of each prowess from 40% to 30%. He has a fairly respectable amount of damage, but a massive suite of utility which is a comfortable spot for us.

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Burro

So it was his sig ability that was making the damage too much? I’ve got him as a 6 star but not awake. If his signature ability makes a significant difference in his damage I’ll probably wait to rank him until he is awake.

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Iron_Patriot_is_lit

To be honest I wouldn’t have a problem pulling this guy as a 5 or 6*. This buff by no means makes him a “god tier” but now he hosts a decent lump of utility and his solid damage is much easier to get off now. He seems like a fun champ and I wouldn’t take problem pulling him as opposed to prebuff.

jpl7340

Kabam Miike said:

After the time the spotlight was written, a bug with Gambit was found where his sig was not properly increasing his crit damage per prowess. After fixing this bug his damage was much higher than we had wanted, to bring it back to a manageable level we reduced the potency of each prowess from 40% to 30%. He has a fairly respectable amount of damage, but a massive suite of utility which is a comfortable spot for us.

This creates a problem for those that do not have Gambit awakened/at high sig. Would keeping the 400% special dmg and changing his sig to crit chance instead of crit dmg not be a better fix? It would also fix his dmg inconsistency issues as well. And you wouldn’t NEED a high sig, but would be very beneficial.

Also, the stun stacking thing is not very impressive. It’s quite underwhelming and doesn’t seem to do enough. The -40% combat rating would be very nice if you could keep the increased stun duration without sacrificing his damage. The -40% heal rate is underwhelming as it takes way too much effort to reverse healing. And even if you accomplish this, it’s uptime is ridiculously low, and basically not worth it. And having to wait for his s3 to get 2 guaranteed stacks of stun is probably the most impractical aspect of his kit. 2 stuns on his s1 would be much better, and I don’t see how it would break anything. Please revisit that aspect of his kit.

Nameless_IW

Kabam Miike said:

After the time the spotlight was written, a bug with Gambit was found where his sig was not properly increasing his crit damage per prowess. After fixing this bug his damage was much higher than we had wanted, to bring it back to a manageable level we reduced the potency of each prowess from 40% to 30%. He has a fairly respectable amount of damage, but a massive suite of utility which is a comfortable spot for us.

I get all that but why wasn't your lovely community notified of that -100% decrease in prowess potency??? i mean seriously -100% decrease in your special attack could mean winning or losing the match. Why would kabam wait for the community to find out on their own and then you would place this additional "Extra Insight from the Dev..." where is the "Transparency" you guys talked sooo much about in your Road Maps???? I know you guys are in no obligation to tells us everything but when you have hundreds of thousands of people waiting anxiously for this buff to go Live, i think it is a big deal to let the community know ahead of time.

Moot4Life

Kabam Miike said:

After the time the spotlight was written, a bug with Gambit was found where his sig was not properly increasing his crit damage per prowess. After fixing this bug his damage was much higher than we had wanted, to bring it back to a manageable level we reduced the potency of each prowess from 40% to 30%. He has a fairly respectable amount of damage, but a massive suite of utility which is a comfortable spot for us.

how do you sell a 5*
no point in taking gambit up anymore when there are so many other better mutants

also why did you edit the champion spotlight so late???

WRIR

Can we at least get like 35%....everyone knows that giving something then taking it is the worst.

WRIR

Like why not nerf the Sig Ability? That sounds easier and less noticable.

Masterpuff

He’s nowhere near game breaking so I can’t see how the extra 10% would have made a difference but ok

StevieManWonder

While I think it’s completely sketchy and totally against what Kabam promised in the Dev Diaries, I still think Gambit is a good champ. I’m still gonna take my unawakened one up to 6r3 and I’m gonna love him because he still has good damage and utility. However, changing it last minute and not telling us beforehand is a horrible move and it really should be reverted. Having him deal 400% prowess is fine and not remotely game breaking.

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LeNoirFaineant

Primerprime5 said:

Kabam Miike said:

After the time the spotlight was written, a bug with Gambit was found where his sig was not properly increasing his crit damage per prowess. After fixing this bug his damage was much higher than we had wanted, to bring it back to a manageable level we reduced the potency of each prowess from 40% to 30%. He has a fairly respectable amount of damage, but a massive suite of utility which is a comfortable spot for us.

You made a mistake that incited players to spend a lot of resources (and hence money) on a character, only to leave them high and dry with the excuse that you "didn't mean to". A mistake that benefits you? How ABSOLUTELY convenient for you lot, eh? You made a promise, and failed to deliver on it. The fact that you didn't release an official statement before such an uproar and changed the values incognito does nothing to convince us of your legitimacy. I'm personally not upset over the character (it's just a game, so there's no point in getting furious over it), but rather over the complete lack of transparency and accountability on your behalf.

To be fair, if a bug was holding him back, no one ranked him based on OP damage because no one played him with the OP damage. Nevertheless, Kabam once again botched the handling of this.

ThēMandalorian

Still won't be ranking either champion. Much better options out there and he's still ****.

Should have left well enough alone and kept it 40% instead of being what looks like as deceptive again nerfing a fresh out of the now "buffed" champ immediately.

Bad move all around.

Player1994

Gambit 300% special damage = Arena fedder
Gambit 400% special damage = Arena fedder

Falcon = ########## it's what he deserve lol

spigwender

I like gambit in his current state. His buff was incredibly well made. That being said, I feel like 40% prowesses would not be game breaking, and would make him feel so much better. Regardless, I will either max him next or max him after I max dragon man and/or stealth spidey.

Duke_Silver

Lame move guys, he’s still decent, but really lame move.

ch4rn

A bug was found? Wow, so original from the developers yet again

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Saiyan

I have a unique issue with the Gambit buff that I find very odd. It's that his damage is no better or even worse than it was pre buff.


This is from a video by Swedeah L where this part showed his raw damage with no boost or synergies and get last year he was doing about 95k damage.

Explain to me how is 180% prowess (sig 40) doing more damage than 300% prowess at any sig?

Even if there are synergies and boost we arent seeing. I've still seen Youtube videos from today of Horseman Gambit doing less or the same damage which didn't exist a year ago.

Yes he's better overall but how is his damage worse or the same now?

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Aleor

Saiyan said:

I have a unique issue with the Gambit buff that I find very odd. It's that his damage is no better or even worse than it was pre buff.


This is from a video by Swedeah L where this part showed his raw damage with no boost or synergies and get last year he was doing about 95k damage.

Explain to me how is 180% prowess (sig 40) doing more damage than 300% prowess at any sig?

Even if there are synergies and boost we arent seeing. I've still seen Youtube videos from today of Horseman Gambit doing less or the same damage which didn't exist a year ago.

Yes he's better overall but how is his damage worse or the same now?

My r2 6* sp2 with 10 prowess deals about 28-29k with no synergies or suicides. His sig only affects critical hits, so it's very strange to see that damage stayed the same, while I'd expect 400% to be more than 280%. Starting at 25k pre-nerf, it should be 36k. Also 6* should have a little higher attack, I believe. Maybe bleed suicides with mutant mastery maxed? But even then he'd probably have less hp on first pic. Or maybe they changed his base attack

WRIR

Duke_Silver said:

Lame move guys, he’s still decent, but really lame move.

Saiyan said:

I have a unique issue with the Gambit buff that I find very odd. It's that his damage is no better or even worse than it was pre buff.


This is from a video by Swedeah L where this part showed his raw damage with no boost or synergies and get last year he was doing about 95k damage.

Explain to me how is 180% prowess (sig 40) doing more damage than 300% prowess at any sig?

Even if there are synergies and boost we arent seeing. I've still seen Youtube videos from today of Horseman Gambit doing less or the same damage which didn't exist a year ago.

Yes he's better overall but how is his damage worse or the same now?

Max suicides, max everything I believe. Max suicides give 30% extra attcl and 60% extra special damage. Im sure gambit now max suicides will do more damagr.