Guaranteed Crits Do Not EXIST is game

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So this makes me wonder; Is anything in the game guaranteed? Or are they all just increased chance to activate?

So is the " Guaranteed Crit" in Ghost description intentional? It did they just take a short cut and forget that crit resistance exists in the game?

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danielmath

cannot always supersedes guaranteed, like how blade sp1 can't bleed sentinel but he cannot be bled

Lvernon15

This is a different case, it’s a reduction, not a cannot

StevieManWonder

The only guarantee I know of in the game—aside from immunities—is that glancing hits will never be critical

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DNA3000

If you're asking a technical question, then yes, there are things in the game that are guaranteed. First, there are things with literally no activation chance. If there isn't a chance, it always happens, and if there's no chance, there's no way to reduce that chance either (barring some new mechanic that supercedes it explicitly). So for example there's no way to stop adrenalin from working: it is not an ability with an activation chance (as far as I'm aware). There are nodes that work this way as well, for example I don't believe Starburst has ability accuracy, so it always happens. The second way for something to be guaranteed to happen is if it has a 100% activation chance and is immune to ability accuracy modification.

However, many things that seem guaranteed or are even described as guaranteed are just 100% chance to happen or higher, and can be reduced below 100% through ability accuracy reduction. Also, even "guaranteed" things can be activation suppressed. For example, an immunity can make an otherwise guaranteed effect to not occur, and the game engine supports "immunity" to almost anything.

DNA3000

This "rule" has been floating around for a while, but I don't believe it has a fundamental basis in the game. I think it derives from the fact that "cannot" is usually associated with immunity, and immunity takes precedence over most other game mechanics. But I don't think this rule is true in general, not technically and especially not colloquially. Which is to say, a player (or even a game developer writing in-game descriptions) might describe an effect as a "cannot" when it isn't actually implemented that way.

For example, someone might describe an unblockable attacks as "cannot be blocked" but there are champs with the ability to block otherwise unblockable attacks. That's a "you cannot" being overridden by a "yes I can." That's because the correct way to describe this situation as unblockable attacks CAN break blocks, while champs that can block unblockable attacks CAN block attacks flagged as unblockable.

I think as a general rule of thumb, CANNOT usually overrides GUARANTEED in most situations. But it isn't a real rule, and it isn't one players should rely on.

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Chikel

Besides Glancing mechanic? Is there anything else that bypasses immunity to AAR?

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Chikel

I completely forgot about him. I think Magneto can bypass it too for #Metal champions?
However, I don't think anything can bypass immunity to dot unless that dot depends on another effect. Like Mysterio's poison being dependent on him helmet

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Chikel

For real? I don't have him as 5* so I haven't used him since his buff

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Solswerd

Your post was near the top of "Recent Discussions" when I found it just now. Also near the top of "Bugs and Known Issues" section of the forum.

DNA3000

I'm not sure what you mean by "true immunity." The game is software, and it does whatever the devs tell it to do.

For example, if I want to make a Bleed that bypasses Bleed immunity, I make an effect called "bleedx" which of course no one is immune to, call it "Bleed" in the game, and bingo, a bleed that bypasses bleed immunity. Stuff like that happens all the time in games like this. For every rule, there is a way to work around the rule. I don't know how "AAR that bypasses AAR immunity" is actually implemented in the game, like for Blade, but it doesn't say anything about how immunity to AAR itself is implemented. The programmer (or mechanics designer as the case may be) basically has the final say.

CoatHang3r

Saw the post and saved the screenshot from support.

But you were told by support that Corvus has a 200% chance to crit and Ghost has a 100% chance to crit. I don’t buy the Corvus side because in testing Corvus against the dulled node still always crits even when he is supposed to have 50%x4 reduced chance to crit.

Kill_Grey

Starburst is affected by ability accuracy, my dude. Quake can do starburst fights without losing any health.

Kill_Grey

Glancing isn't even supposed to bypass AAR immunity. Old man Logan is unaffected by glancing, but archangel is for no reason.

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StevieManWonder

As far as I know, Blade can’t bypass natural glancing abilities. He might be able to bypass nodes that give glancing but not actual glancing. But the three characters that can glance (Ant-Man, CapIW, and Storm X) aren’t champions that he can activate Danger Sense against at all.

Chikel

Oml can bypass glancing? Is he viable for micro reflect Ant-Man ? I heard that fight is pure BS.

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Kill_Grey

No, I mean his offensive ability accuracy isn't affected by glancing compared to AA, but he can still be glanced.

GroundedWisdom

Guaranteed Crit is a mechanic in and of itself. Corvus is an example, and Maw is a counter for Guaranteed Crits. The hit itself isn't the guarantee. It's a guarantee that it will be a Crit.

GroundedWisdom

"X hit is guaranteed to be a Crit, wherever possible to land."

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GroundedWisdom

Certain hits are guaranteed to be Critical with Ghost. Same with Corvus. In the case of Maw, any hits that are guaranteed to be Critical will miss. Now, just because they're guaranteed to Crit doesn't mean they're guaranteed to do Damage, and that will change based on other factors.