Potential Delay to v44.1 Launch
We are currently working through some issues that may affect the release window of v44.1. This means that the update may not release on Monday as it usually does. We are working to resolve the issue holding us up as quickly as possible, but will keep you all updated, especially if the delay results in any changes to the content release schedule.
We are currently working through some issues that may affect the release window of v44.1. This means that the update may not release on Monday as it usually does. We are working to resolve the issue holding us up as quickly as possible, but will keep you all updated, especially if the delay results in any changes to the content release schedule.
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Ummm, the main war discussion thread
So its the OP’s fault for trusting what kabam says not at all on kabam for misleading them? Thats like telling a girl who got **** it was her fault for wearing a miniskirt.
Thats a stupid analogy and not even a similar comparison. Multiple comments were made by mods, multiple threads were made by users, some just chose to read one comment and run with it while most waited for the final changes to be declared.
That's not a case at all, actually. Personally, it has nothing to do with how I feel. It has to do with what they're for. I keep my feelings objective because they usually offend. Lol.
Those who don't follow the forums and couldn't see all the threads or Mikes comments were left in the dark and could have made some bad choices since Kabam didn't make a point to consistently send in game messages. That could probably be a valid argument.
Why woulsnt you just say that initially then I would have agreed with you. Putting the blame soley on the OP doesnt make sense. Ive been waiting to rank anyone until the dust settles and the OP had to much faith in kabam. i see this as kabam misleading people more then people using poor judgement
Its every OP that creates these threads. Not thinking so much of others and why they would need or want them but rather making arguments to cover their own foolish mistakes or selfish reasonings.
Im obviously against them, but after Miikes comment today I instantly seen a major problem with it for those in game who don't see the threads. I don't understand how those in favor of RDT's couldn't spot that.
Because it would involve thinking of other people's problems rather than their desire to remake their roster whenever they want? I want RDTs for purely selfish reasons as well, but I know it won't help things in the long term of the actual game. Would trade RDTs for bug fixes to champs like Vision, female champs that drop hits, etc.
Id trade RDT's for many things. Bug fixes or more interesting new content for starters
The other side of that is waiting or using weaker champs both could result in a lose. People are making the argument that they should have waited...because kabam is still working on it although it was clearly stated how diversity was going to work.
So basically do nothing and risk a lose or try to win and lose resources.
Imagine an NFL game where everyone showed up ready to play and told you can't use 22 players...lawsuits would be everywhere.
Kabam has created a no win situation here. Either use resources that might be wasted or be at a higher risk of losing.
Like I said earlier I don't care if rtds are issued but just pointing out how ridiculous the situation is.
You are correct I don't follow every thread, but I do have time enough to read the updates posted by @Kabam Miike and just 10 days ago he said: "Many of you may have also noticed that Defender Diversity is not taking the entire Alliance’s placed Defenders into account, and is only counting each Battlegroup. This is not intentional, and will be fixed as soon as we can."
I don't understand how anyone could defend an outright lie like this. This was not an in game message, this was a published update post by a senior moderator.
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/17902/15-0-alliance-wars-update-updated-september-22-9-35-pt#latest
EDIT: You're still quoting and debating after given an better argument in your favor vs the reasoning of your own mistakes
People ranked based on an official response from a Kabam employee. Even if misleading us was unintentional it would still be their liability not the user.
It is a valid argument for RDTs but not a new one. The argument in its strongest form would be this: players use rank up resources based on the current set of options available to them. If those options are not presented accurately or if they are changed in unpredictable ways, players should be allowed to change their choices which were made based on incomplete or incorrect information. This is something I usually call the "informed choice principle" in game design.
But the problem with this argument is a problem I've stated before: it is a valid rationale for *wanting* RDTs and claiming it would be fair to have them, but it doesn't counter the reason why they aren't given out. People make up reasons why they think they aren't given out and attack those, but I don't think any of those reasons fully encapsulate the rationale for why Kabam doesn't want to give out RDTs. I believe it is the same reason most MMOs are either very stingy with similar kinds of things or almost never issue them at all. They want the act of spending resources to be permanent in a game that is always changing, irrespective of bugs or problems. Even in a perfect game the players are supposed to know that there will always be better choices in the future and when they spend resources now they are not going to spend the same resources on the better option in the future. There is always a choice, and it is always intended to be a painful choice: everything you spend now means you won't be able to spend later. Every choice to choose today is probably eliminating a future choice tomorrow.
Regardless of why the future changes, whether it is because of new content or a bug fix or to implement a player-driven suggestion or to balance the game, players are supposed to factor that into their spending decisions. If not today, if not tomorrow, then eventually your choice today will be superceded by a better choice tomorrow. Or your reasons for choosing today will not be as valid tomorrow. That's intentional.
Where you balance the preservation of the permanence of choice and the validity of the presentation of the options to choose from - in other words, what's the definition of a fair choice - is a subjective and somewhat arbitrary one. Neither argument "wins" over the other, because that's based on the values of the player and the values of the developers. You and I will never completely 100% agree on what the definition of "fair" is, and neither will the devs fully agree with any one particular player.
I agree with more than 90% of what your saying. This will probably be the first time we don't fully agree though on a topic we both commented on.
Bad & false info was put out, Ill agree there. But the argument as that being the actual cause for premature rank ups seems very flawed to me.
When the announcement of AW 2.0 arrived no one had a clue what to expect. A main discussion thread was started and everyone instantly flocked to it with concerns and pointed out everything wrong with the whole concept. At this point, I wouldn't assume any one decided to instantly start new rank ups. If they did, than theres no solid argument there for RDT's since rank ups were started before the new content even hit and no full understanding of it was even known.
After AW 2.0 finally hit is when players had actual decisions to make, rank up or don't rank up. But at this point everyone seen the drastic errors in the system and jumped on the main discussion thread. After one war the flaws were pointed out at a rapid pace. This was enough knowledge alone for everyone to know not to rank up champs. Many were even going the route of zero defenders while it was fixed or chose to use lower ranked champs to meet diversity. Miike did at this point put an an announcement and did state diversity was glitched and would change to be for the alliance as a whole and not per bg. Was this enough cause for rank ups? Hardly not, as we all knew AW was bugged. And if you read Miikes announcement it would have been even smarter to jump over to the main discussion thread to see what users were suggesting and fighting against it to have it fixed. Any rank ups at this point still would arguably been of bad choice. This may not be a fair comparison but works for me: When a company puts out a new product or service do you believe them when they say it flawless or do you base a choice off customer reviews? This is one of those situations where the communities comments spoke volumes.
As the issue went on we were lead to believe diversity would be changing. We were also informed more changes were going to continue to happen. Even at this point the info pointed out (later today to be changed), never suggested it to be a good time to settle with whats in front of you and start rank ups. The info alone that "more changes would follow" was accurate enough info, in my opinion, to say don't do anything until you see this system in its final stage. And many, if not most, chose to hold for those reasons. Also, had anyone been following the main discussion thread they would have seen that Miike also pointed out that changes were being planned to counter the thoughts that our top defenders were now useless and could become our favorites again.
So to sum it up, if the argument is "I based my choices off the announcements on the forums" than you made mistakes not making the effort to follow the rest put in front of us. I feel a bigger injustice for those not on the forums who received little to no info and are in the dark still and could very easily had done many rank ups.
I can see how its an argument for "wanting" RDT's. From my perspective its just a very 1/2 ass argument.
Saying people are being jerks for strongly disagreeing is no different than me saying everyone else is jerks for disagreeing with me. I do strongly believe the OP and others jumped the gun knowing so much was not cast in stone, regardless of the single comment in question from Miike. I am open minded and am willing to have the debate and am open to having my mind changed, which does happen. Something that should never be expected when creating a thread is for every member to agree with whats said or expect those who disagree to have to sit in silence while other who agree comment freely. People are gonna disagree, doesn't make them "jerks."
Many of us are just in a strong agreement that RDT's should only be dished out for the purpose they were created for. And that is only when champs are changed. Can argue all day champs were affected by changes in the game. But they weren't changed and still perform the exact same.
All the arguments against them may make you "sort of" want them. But all argument for them "sort of" makes me wish they were never introduced. Now people demand them every time they are unhappy, make a bad choice, or look for any other reason they can because they got a new champ they don't have resources for. RDT's were never introduced for any of those reasons and has been stated they will hold there original purpose.
Part of what problem?