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    StevieManWonderStevieManWonder Posts: 5,017 ★★★★★
    Kaloco15 said:

    Kaloco15 said:

    Kaloco15 said:

    DNA3000 said:

    EazyE1983 said:

    Anyone else think it’s shameful to have a rank 3 6* as a requirement to be Thronebreaker? I’m right there but you have to spend a lot of money or be in top tier alliance to get a rank 3

    Well, first of all Thronebreaker is the highest progression tier that exists in the game, and its been only a couple months since it was released. Who do you expect such a progression tier to target? The highest progression players, however they got there, are in fact ranking r3s now. Everyone in the target audience for Thronebreaker either have r3s or could rank one up for the title without any difficulty.

    There's nothing shameful about that. If you aren't in that target group yet, but just outside it, you'll get there eventually. T5CC is getting easier to get all the time. Cavalier players who are just getting all the free to play sources of T5CC will almost certainly have their first rank 3 sometime in 2021 if not sooner.

    As to what the Thronebreaker offers will likely contain, I think it is fair to say that the Thronebreaker offers will focus on 6* champions, 6* rank up resources, and that will almost certainly include T5CC or r3 rank up materials of some kind.

    I can also anticipate the complaint. Thronebreakers will be getting the very resource non-Thronebreakers need to become Thronebreaker, namely T5CC. But that's the point. Those resources should be very hard to obtain until you reach a point in the game where you've demonstrated you can earn them and put them to use, whereupon the game's reward system shifts to making it easier to get so you can make more progress. That's how progression games work.
    I have plenty of r3 options but don’t have the right champs to do abyss just yet and can’t do act 6 completion because it’s so grueling and again not the right champs rng to me
    If they make money based offers different due to a r3 6* - that’s gonna rub a lot of people wrong
    It’s money that gives different rewards
    The money value is the same but because someone’s willing to spend to finish abyss they get way better in game rewards
    It’s a way to push people to finish other content (aka spend money) to then get more when spending money
    You aren’t gonna convince anyway you’re correct dude
    I'm sorry but what you just stated, literally supports the argument that you're not ready for thronebreaker then. You dont have to accomplish everything immediately. I didnt jump on the abyss immediately. I studied the paths, the counters, and how to fight with what champs. Then grinded in the arena for months because I know the abyss takes revives. Now im thronebreaker because I put the effort in. You either got to do the same, put the effort in or buy the units to push through it.
    I humbly disagree with you... look let’s be real here skill can only get you so far in this game other then that it’s rng/ luck neither of which I have on my side....I have explored act 6 and got a skill t5cc and I have 0 use for it atm....and I’ve been grinding units for three weeks now for cyber weekend and possibly for my first abyss run if I can’t get a R3 just from the cav offers... I will try and get lucky with the 2 six stars and t5cc but most likely won’t... the thronebreaker title isnt solely tied to putting in effort... I know dudes in my ally and outside of my ally who have only bought stuff and haven’t come close to exploring act 6 or starting abyss yet that have their first r3 before me even tho I’ve done far more content than them... my six star roster is terrible besides Two or three champs one of which needs an awakening(void) it all comes down to six star luck at the end of the day and I have 0 of it atm past 10 all been misses. Nobody can say my roster isn’t developed enough bc I have 24 max five stars and I could have more but I don’t have any I want to rank atm. <<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029252/uploads/editor/mo/7vv6f3gk0ukz.png" alt="" />
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    ll t
    You have Squirrel Girl.
    Ya no if I ever was to even consider ranking her I’d need her awakened and sig 150+ and even then I most likely wouldn’t
    Why? What's stopping you?
    The game is a miserable slug if we're sitting around waiting for the "perfect" Rank Ups. This is what happens when God Tier culture becomes tenet. People don't look at anything but the "best". The great irony is, you Rank SOMETHING, then earn more Resources to build more on that. Sitting around waiting for an Aegon is no way to play and actually enjoy the game. I'd Rank her.
    A champ such as squirrel girl won’t help me progress in any way moving forward once act 7 content comes out and she’s not that good in general even at max sig.. I don’t want an aegon... stealthy, Nick, night thrasher if I could get decent sig or killmonger awakened lol I’m not asking for any one specific champ I just want someone that’ll give me use offensively mainly and if they’re a good defender that’s a plus also
    Luckily Act 7 will be easy enough that you can do it with most champions.
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    WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    Kaloco15 said:

    Kaloco15 said:


    Kaloco15 said:

    DNA3000 said:

    EazyE1983 said:

    Anyone else think it’s shameful to have a rank 3 6* as a requirement to be Thronebreaker? I’m right there but you have to spend a lot of money or be in top tier alliance to get a rank 3

    Well, first of all Thronebreaker is the highest progression tier that exists in the game, and its been only a couple months since it was released. Who do you expect such a progression tier to target? The highest progression players, however they got there, are in fact ranking r3s now. Everyone in the target audience for Thronebreaker either have r3s or could rank one up for the title without any difficulty.

    There's nothing shameful about that. If you aren't in that target group yet, but just outside it, you'll get there eventually. T5CC is getting easier to get all the time. Cavalier players who are just getting all the free to play sources of T5CC will almost certainly have their first rank 3 sometime in 2021 if not sooner.

    As to what the Thronebreaker offers will likely contain, I think it is fair to say that the Thronebreaker offers will focus on 6* champions, 6* rank up resources, and that will almost certainly include T5CC or r3 rank up materials of some kind.

    I can also anticipate the complaint. Thronebreakers will be getting the very resource non-Thronebreakers need to become Thronebreaker, namely T5CC. But that's the point. Those resources should be very hard to obtain until you reach a point in the game where you've demonstrated you can earn them and put them to use, whereupon the game's reward system shifts to making it easier to get so you can make more progress. That's how progression games work.
    I have plenty of r3 options but don’t have the right champs to do abyss just yet and can’t do act 6 completion because it’s so grueling and again not the right champs rng to me
    If they make money based offers different due to a r3 6* - that’s gonna rub a lot of people wrong
    It’s money that gives different rewards
    The money value is the same but because someone’s willing to spend to finish abyss they get way better in game rewards
    It’s a way to push people to finish other content (aka spend money) to then get more when spending money
    You aren’t gonna convince anyway you’re correct dude
    I'm sorry but what you just stated, literally supports the argument that you're not ready for thronebreaker then. You dont have to accomplish everything immediately. I didnt jump on the abyss immediately. I studied the paths, the counters, and how to fight with what champs. Then grinded in the arena for months because I know the abyss takes revives. Now im thronebreaker because I put the effort in. You either got to do the same, put the effort in or buy the units to push through it.
    I humbly disagree with you... look let’s be real here skill can only get you so far in this game other then that it’s rng/ luck neither of which I have on my side....I have explored act 6 and got a skill t5cc and I have 0 use for it atm....and I’ve been grinding units for three weeks now for cyber weekend and possibly for my first abyss run if I can’t get a R3 just from the cav offers... I will try and get lucky with the 2 six stars and t5cc but most likely won’t... the thronebreaker title isnt solely tied to putting in effort... I know dudes in my ally and outside of my ally who have only bought stuff and haven’t come close to exploring act 6 or starting abyss yet that have their first r3 before me even tho I’ve done far more content than them... my six star roster is terrible besides Two or three champs one of which needs an awakening(void) it all comes down to six star luck at the end of the day and I have 0 of it atm past 10 all been misses. Nobody can say my roster isn’t developed enough bc I have 24 max five stars and I could have more but I don’t have any I want to rank atm. <<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029252/uploads/editor/mo/7vv6f3gk0ukz.png" alt="" />
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    ll t
    Yes, spending in a f2p game will get you more faster. That's how they fund the game, by selling time. It's not a charity and if you're not selling something people want, no one is going to buy it.
    I’m aware man... that’s not my problem that spending gets u loads of good stuff that’s required for the game to keep on keeping on and for The quality Of it to stay high... my problem is when a person willing to drop loads of cash that’s just become cav and only completed 6.1 can have an opportunity at a 6 star r3 on cyber weekend or fourth if they whale out... while I who has done everything in the game accept abyss wont have a r3 before him... that’s a major flaw imo and everyone seems to just pass it over as “spending will obviously get you farther.” No it’s that kabam should put less rng in the rewards of the longest and hardest content in the game like abyss and act 6 exploration... honestly neither of which r that hard it’s more the length that’s painful.... you mention by “selling time” but then there are people including I Believe urself ( I may be mistaken Ab u tho pardon me if I am) who I’ve seen that said if you haven’t explored act 6 or abyss This isn’t meant for you... well look where I am everything accept abyss and no r3... I would’ve been happy if they locked it behind act 6 exploration so it actually relied on skill and time spent... but then there were ppl that say ppl will still complain who cares at least it isn’t locked behind rng
    I actually said it should have been locked behind original Act 6 exploration or current and a R3. This was meant to separate the heavy spenders and grinders. It was supposed to be around 7.2 from what I think Miike said originally. By that time people were going to have multiple R3s just from getting through the content.

    With the massive backlash to Act 6 and the amount of time it took them to adjust it, there was a large period of time that outside of alliance events there was a massive lack of high tier rewards people could earn. There's not much that could be done about that with how badly people wanted act 6 changed.

    Myself and a lot of the people it seems they were targeting with the title explored Act 6 as it was originally and have been treading water since March. We've had R3s for months. They lowered the requirements to cover a larger percentage of the playerbase but it was brought down so low that a lot of people it's not aimed at thought it was. You've explored Act 6 which even today takes a large roster just due to niche requirements but it's still far easier than it was before. I get that it sucks but there are going to be people that have finished content that don't make the cut and those that haven't but do. I've been saying for months, if you want t5cc join a map 7 alliance with max modifiers. If people aren't doing that, they're slowing themselves down
    Alright fair enough I wasn’t come at you at all... I’m just saying it can be upsetting sometimes when beating some of the best content isn’t enough to push you to where u want to be and others that have put in way less work progress faster cuz of spending... also I explored nearly half of act 6 in the form of all of 6.1 and fragments of the other chapters before the nerf and once I hopped into it afterwards to finish the other half cuz I wanted to wait for 6.2 stuff to be nerfed( mainly mordo that’s ab it) after going back in the it was basically the exact same thing in 6.4 and 6.3 which got nerfed the heaviest... I’m in an ally which focuses on war though which ya that’s my choice... but I love my ally and I prefer having good company than map 7 even tho that’s a huge source of t5cc... do you believe a t5cc selector should’ve replaced the fully formed random crystal in act 6 that literally would’ve saved all my problems... I choose science which was the only class I could use and r3 torch happily end of story!
    And I promise I wasn't trying to take any shots either just saying that's unfortunately just where the state of the game is due to a few different circumstances. Original Act 6 sucked for a lot of it. Was it manageable for a very large roster? Sure, doesn't mean it was fun. It was very niche and very punishing of mistakes. The fact that the difficulty was reduced so much just means that some people are going to have to live with finishing it and still not be at that last progression level unfortunately now.

    I fully understand sticking with a group of people you enjoy over rewards (it's what I'm doing now, I've stepped back farther in the game than I've been in a veryong time). When you make those choices though, you have to accept that it hinders your progression.

    I don't feel that act 6 should have given a selector, no. T4cc was just as hard to come by back when R4s were the apex of ranks. This is just not a game that lends to having a ton of control on resource/champ accumulation. It's not fun to deal with currently but it's a temporary problem like everything else in this game. You just have to decide how important it is to shorten how long you wait.
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    WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★

    Sadal said:


    Ok so the way I see it July 4th and cyber deals are equal progression of about 6 months to a year of grinding.... so others should get to skip a 2 years worth of grinding while others who did the grinding only get to skip 1.... no kabam has stated they want balance and it to be fair.... the only way for that with these deals is to lock them to you title level when they drop or allow all players to buy the deals for their title level, the ones they have already achieved and the ones the progress into....

    Yes. That's how pay to win works.

    @Worknprogress has a ton of R3's. He didn't get them from deals, he gets from high level AQ and AW. 100% act 6 gets you 1 T5cc and abyss gives you 3 iirc. That's a possible 4 R3's.

    How about save some of that money and join a high level AQ/aw alliance and actually grind the resources.
    While yes the vast majority of t5cc I've used has come from AQ/AW/content, it would be disingenuous to say that what I've spent on crystals had not given me a significant advantage in having the options to R3 in the first place.

    Overall though yes there is actually a significant amount of t5cc available to earn monthly that's completely not dependent on spending a penny. If anyone is complaining about available t5cc in game and isn't running in a 3bg map 7 alliance, they really have no leg to stand on currently as far as I'm concerned
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,377 ★★★★★

    Sadal said:


    Ok so the way I see it July 4th and cyber deals are equal progression of about 6 months to a year of grinding.... so others should get to skip a 2 years worth of grinding while others who did the grinding only get to skip 1.... no kabam has stated they want balance and it to be fair.... the only way for that with these deals is to lock them to you title level when they drop or allow all players to buy the deals for their title level, the ones they have already achieved and the ones the progress into....

    Yes. That's how pay to win works.

    @Worknprogress has a ton of R3's. He didn't get them from deals, he gets from high level AQ and AW. 100% act 6 gets you 1 T5cc and abyss gives you 3 iirc. That's a possible 4 R3's.

    How about save some of that money and join a high level AQ/aw alliance and actually grind the resources.
    While yes the vast majority of t5cc I've used has come from AQ/AW/content, it would be disingenuous to say that what I've spent on crystals had not given me a significant advantage in having the options to R3 in the first place.

    Overall though yes there is actually a significant amount of t5cc available to earn monthly that's completely not dependent on spending a penny. If anyone is complaining about available t5cc in game and isn't running in a 3bg map 7 alliance, they really have no leg to stand on currently as far as I'm concerned
    That was basically my point. If you didn't have the champs to rank, you'd still have the resources to take champs up.
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    WOLF_LINKWOLF_LINK Posts: 1,359 ★★★★
    I‘m not Pay 2 Win, so I don‘t care much about those deals. During July 4th I only took the 10$ offer twice, I guess. Something cheap with Sig Stones? Yeah.

    Sure, the Odins with 6* Nexus were tempting, but they are way too expensive. My 6* luck is decent anyway (Fury, Omega Red, Guillotine 2099, VenomTheDuck, Mojo, Carnage, some more trashy ones).
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    My first r3 was warlock, only because of RNG luck after finishing abyss. It just so happens he is high on prestige list. Since then I have played map7 and worked on exploring act 6. Since then, I have ranked up Namor, G99, Torch, CapIW, Doom, Aegon, Domino, Corvus, and lastly BWCV.
    Between Corvus and bwcv, I didn’t do much as I didn’t have the champs that I “wanted”.
    There is a big difference to rank up a champ that you want vs ranking up a r3 for access to better rewards.
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,359 ★★★★★
    I mean it's one thing to strive for Champs, but it's another to write off anything else but.
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    Xva23Xva23 Posts: 500 ★★★
    Aight, I'm gonna go sleep till cyber weekend, to avoid all the agression here. Byeee
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    KilikKilik Posts: 13

    Posting this again because it's getting lost.

    Hey everybody,

    So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.

    Any chance to confirm it'll be the case before we get the offers? I'm rushing to 100% explore Act 6 so I can get a chance to form another T5CC. I only have 1 skill and it'd really hurt to use it on Mole Man…
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,377 ★★★★★
    Kilik said:

    Posting this again because it's getting lost.

    Hey everybody,

    So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.

    Any chance to confirm it'll be the case before we get the offers? I'm rushing to 100% explore Act 6 so I can get a chance to form another T5CC. I only have 1 skill and it'd really hurt to use it on Mole Man…
    You're not going to get anything more than what he said.
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    ch4rnch4rn Posts: 275 ★★
    Kilik said:

    Posting this again because it's getting lost.

    Hey everybody,

    So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.

    Any chance to confirm it'll be the case before we get the offers? I'm rushing to 100% explore Act 6 so I can get a chance to form another T5CC. I only have 1 skill and it'd really hurt to use it on Mole Man…
    This has been said on a number of occasions now. It's bewildering what more needs to be said from the mods?
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    Evil_TwinEvil_Twin Posts: 66
    For anyone that actually did this last year or on July 4th - when you went from Uncollected to Cavalier - were you able to get the Odin deals for both levels or was it just the Unit deals you were able to double dip on?
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    TyEdgeTyEdge Posts: 2,985 ★★★★★

    I mean it's one thing to strive for Champs, but it's another to write off anything else but.

    This was an absolutely true statement when 6-stars were first released and they’d be on par with the 4/55 champs at the top of your roster. It’s not a true statement once you have a stable of 5/65 and 2/35 champs. Ranking a 5-star to relevance requires 10 t2a and 13 class catalysts, to say nothing of 22 alphas or whatever it is. The progression model became broken when leaving champs at rank 1 became the norm.
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    WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    zeezee57 said:

    Sadal said:


    Ok so the way I see it July 4th and cyber deals are equal progression of about 6 months to a year of grinding.... so others should get to skip a 2 years worth of grinding while others who did the grinding only get to skip 1.... no kabam has stated they want balance and it to be fair.... the only way for that with these deals is to lock them to you title level when they drop or allow all players to buy the deals for their title level, the ones they have already achieved and the ones the progress into....

    Yes. That's how pay to win works.

    @Worknprogress has a ton of R3's. He didn't get them from deals, he gets from high level AQ and AW. 100% act 6 gets you 1 T5cc and abyss gives you 3 iirc. That's a possible 4 R3's.

    How about save some of that money and join a high level AQ/aw alliance and actually grind the resources.
    While yes the vast majority of t5cc I've used has come from AQ/AW/content, it would be disingenuous to say that what I've spent on crystals had not given me a significant advantage in having the options to R3 in the first place.

    Overall though yes there is actually a significant amount of t5cc available to earn monthly that's completely not dependent on spending a penny. If anyone is complaining about available t5cc in game and isn't running in a 3bg map 7 alliance, they really have no leg to stand on currently as far as I'm concerned
    If you think you're getting t5cc from AQ and not spending or living in the game like BG you're mistaken. How many allies get t5cc from AQ? Top 50 or so? Overall there really isn't a significant amount of t5cc to earn monthly, not for the vast majority of players.
    Literally every single one running map 7 with max modifiers. It's completely irrelevant what your prestige is as you get it from honor rewards. So that's 100% on your willingness to finish content everyday has absolutely nothing to do with spending or "living your life in the game". Map 7 takes less time than map 6.
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    WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    If you're not willing to run map 7, that's a you problem not a game problem. If your roster can't handle it, then you don't need to be worrying about t5cc to begin with.
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,359 ★★★★★
    TyEdge said:

    I mean it's one thing to strive for Champs, but it's another to write off anything else but.

    This was an absolutely true statement when 6-stars were first released and they’d be on par with the 4/55 champs at the top of your roster. It’s not a true statement once you have a stable of 5/65 and 2/35 champs. Ranking a 5-star to relevance requires 10 t2a and 13 class catalysts, to say nothing of 22 alphas or whatever it is. The progression model became broken when leaving champs at rank 1 became the norm.
    No, it's been true all along. Even back to the SW/Thor days. People just cherry pick Champs.
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    Evil_TwinEvil_Twin Posts: 66
    Ebony_Naw said:

    Evil_Twin said:

    For anyone that actually did this last year or on July 4th - when you went from Uncollected to Cavalier - were you able to get the Odin deals for both levels or was it just the Unit deals you were able to double dip on?

    My progression point changed the first time they made them progression based, and all offers- cash and unit deals, refreshed.
    Did you actually buy the cash deals at the different levels? I am afraid I will buy the Cav cash deals and then won't be able to buy the Throne cash deals.
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    KilikKilik Posts: 13
    ch4rn said:

    Kilik said:

    Posting this again because it's getting lost.

    Hey everybody,

    So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.

    Any chance to confirm it'll be the case before we get the offers? I'm rushing to 100% explore Act 6 so I can get a chance to form another T5CC. I only have 1 skill and it'd really hurt to use it on Mole Man…
    This has been said on a number of occasions now. It's bewildering what more needs to be said from the mods?
    What's been said? His message neither confirms nor denies a player becoming thronebreaker during the weekend will get thronebreaker deals. It's vague to say the least.
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    rnr87rnr87 Posts: 394
    It seems too me its 1 of those wait and see kind of things they aren't gonna say any more than has already been said it looks like more than likely you will be able too but they won't put a guarantee on it. Its a 50/50 shot either wait and see or if your able do the rank up for the better deals.
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,359 ★★★★★
    Kilik said:

    ch4rn said:

    Kilik said:

    Posting this again because it's getting lost.

    Hey everybody,

    So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.

    Any chance to confirm it'll be the case before we get the offers? I'm rushing to 100% explore Act 6 so I can get a chance to form another T5CC. I only have 1 skill and it'd really hurt to use it on Mole Man…
    This has been said on a number of occasions now. It's bewildering what more needs to be said from the mods?
    What's been said? His message neither confirms nor denies a player becoming thronebreaker during the weekend will get thronebreaker deals. It's vague to say the least.
    It's vague for a reason. There is no guarantee because it's not an intended outcome. He's pretty sure we will (wink, wink), but there's no promise or guarantee of it because they don't endorse it as something that's meant to happen.
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    ch4rnch4rn Posts: 275 ★★
    Kilik said:

    ch4rn said:

    Kilik said:

    Posting this again because it's getting lost.

    Hey everybody,

    So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.

    Any chance to confirm it'll be the case before we get the offers? I'm rushing to 100% explore Act 6 so I can get a chance to form another T5CC. I only have 1 skill and it'd really hurt to use it on Mole Man…
    This has been said on a number of occasions now. It's bewildering what more needs to be said from the mods?
    What's been said? His message neither confirms nor denies a player becoming thronebreaker during the weekend will get thronebreaker deals. It's vague to say the least.
    Jheez... Being able to access your current tier and higher tier rewards has always been an unintentional thing, so they won't be confirming that you can access TB deals if you aren't TB by the time they drop.

    If you don't want to leave it to chance, you know what's gotta be done, even if it means ranking a champion that you don't want to.
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