Black Friday/Cyber Monday sale [Merged Threads]

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DNA3000

sorry I have to disagree. it gives them an out if you change progression but don't get the new deals
The reality of the situation is this behavior is and has always been unintended - we've known that since the beginning, except for the conspiracy nuts that always think there's a grand conspiracy to everything. Unintended behaviors are subject to change, and since they are unintended they could even change without a deliberate attempt to change them.

Kabam Miike is just informing you of reality. If you don't like to operate with that kind of imperfect information that's understandable, but that doesn't change the fact that that explanation is the only one you can get. If you see it as Kabam giving themselves an "out" if the behavior changes, that's your choice.
did I miss the part where he said this is unintended? I've noticed a lot of people making assumptions. There were several posts in this thread that said you would not get the next tier if your progression changed and claimed it had been addressed before. the reply clearly says it was never addressed before

Yes, you missed the part where Kabam Miike says this was never intentional, and while there has never been an *official* statement about this from Kabam (which is I presume what Kabam Miike meant) this has been discussed before, as more than one poster has confirmed.

In fact, the fact that Kabam Miike says "I can't guarantee it" combined with the fact that his post is not posted as an official announcement means technically Kabam *still* hasn't officially made an announcement about this behavor. Kabam Miike is simply stating his understanding of how the game is going to work as a Kabam community rep, not as a programmer or game designer or official spokesperson. If he was functioning in any of those capacities, he'd be able to be certain.

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Hey everybody,

So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.

Ok this is bull **** then.... I had 3 alliance members in and old alliance who were uncollected buy some cash deals and the unit deals.... the get cavalier and buy those deals too.... and yeah thats great for them and Karam but now they get to double up on the best deals in the game and I'm stuck with one set of deals.... being the highest progression there is.... thats ****.... if you are going to allow them to unlock higher title deals then you need to let those of us at the higher title have access to the lower ones and buy those if we so choose as well as the ones we are currently at

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1_ShuNeu_1

Anyone else think it’s shameful to have a rank 3 6* as a requirement to be Thronebreaker? I’m right there but you have to spend a lot of money or be in top tier alliance to get a rank 3
Well, first of all Thronebreaker is the highest progression tier that exists in the game, and its been only a couple months since it was released. Who do you expect such a progression tier to target? The highest progression players, however they got there, are in fact ranking r3s now. Everyone in the target audience for Thronebreaker either have r3s or could rank one up for the title without any difficulty.

There's nothing shameful about that. If you aren't in that target group yet, but just outside it, you'll get there eventually. T5CC is getting easier to get all the time. Cavalier players who are just getting all the free to play sources of T5CC will almost certainly have their first rank 3 sometime in 2021 if not sooner.

As to what the Thronebreaker offers will likely contain, I think it is fair to say that the Thronebreaker offers will focus on 6* champions, 6* rank up resources, and that will almost certainly include T5CC or r3 rank up materials of some kind.

I can also anticipate the complaint. Thronebreakers will be getting the very resource non-Thronebreakers need to become Thronebreaker, namely T5CC. But that's the point. Those resources should be very hard to obtain until you reach a point in the game where you've demonstrated you can earn them and put them to use, whereupon the game's reward system shifts to making it easier to get so you can make more progress. That's how progression games work.
I have plenty of r3 options but don’t have the right champs to do abyss just yet and can’t do act 6 completion because it’s so grueling and again not the right champs rng to me
If they make money based offers different due to a r3 6* - that’s gonna rub a lot of people wrong
It’s money that gives different rewards
The money value is the same but because someone’s willing to spend to finish abyss they get way better in game rewards
It’s a way to push people to finish other content (aka spend money) to then get more when spending money
You aren’t gonna convince anyway you’re correct dude
I'm sorry but what you just stated, literally supports the argument that you're not ready for thronebreaker then. You dont have to accomplish everything immediately. I didnt jump on the abyss immediately. I studied the paths, the counters, and how to fight with what champs. Then grinded in the arena for months because I know the abyss takes revives. Now im thronebreaker because I put the effort in. You either got to do the same, put the effort in or buy the units to push through it.

So spend money or deal with it? Lol, I didn’t get the correct rng pulls to have the “horseman” for abyss
Your logic is flawed
You like the idea of it being a new tier because now you’re in it.
It’s a dumb system and is to entice people to spend money

Hey everybody,

So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.
Ok this is bull **** then.... I had 3 alliance members in and old alliance who were uncollected buy some cash deals and the unit deals.... the get cavalier and buy those deals too.... and yeah thats great for them and Karam but now they get to double up on the best deals in the game and I'm stuck with one set of deals.... being the highest progression there is.... thats ****.... if you are going to allow them to unlock higher title deals then you need to let those of us at the higher title have access to the lower ones and buy those if we so choose as well as the ones we are currently at
No you don’t... that’s the whole point of progression tiers... why would thronebreakers want uncollected or cav offers they aren’t focused towards them... y’all will find anything to complain ab... anyways it’s usually the highest level players that whale out anyways so most cav/ uncollected players won’t be buying everything...

Umm uncollecteddeals won't benefit me but the t5cc and t5cc shards in the cav deals would benefit me...and I am throne breaker... why should cavalier players be able to buy the unit deals to get an r3 champion and then get the throne breaker deals as well..... they shouldn't period they didn't progress they should get the deals.... but if they are able to get both sets of deals I want access to both sets of deals aswell..... is it fair if an alliance gets double rewards? And other dont.... no its not because it throws balance out of the game....

Anyone else think it’s shameful to have a rank 3 6* as a requirement to be Thronebreaker? I’m right there but you have to spend a lot of money or be in top tier alliance to get a rank 3
Well, first of all Thronebreaker is the highest progression tier that exists in the game, and its been only a couple months since it was released. Who do you expect such a progression tier to target? The highest progression players, however they got there, are in fact ranking r3s now. Everyone in the target audience for Thronebreaker either have r3s or could rank one up for the title without any difficulty.

There's nothing shameful about that. If you aren't in that target group yet, but just outside it, you'll get there eventually. T5CC is getting easier to get all the time. Cavalier players who are just getting all the free to play sources of T5CC will almost certainly have their first rank 3 sometime in 2021 if not sooner.

As to what the Thronebreaker offers will likely contain, I think it is fair to say that the Thronebreaker offers will focus on 6* champions, 6* rank up resources, and that will almost certainly include T5CC or r3 rank up materials of some kind.

I can also anticipate the complaint. Thronebreakers will be getting the very resource non-Thronebreakers need to become Thronebreaker, namely T5CC. But that's the point. Those resources should be very hard to obtain until you reach a point in the game where you've demonstrated you can earn them and put them to use, whereupon the game's reward system shifts to making it easier to get so you can make more progress. That's how progression games work.
I have plenty of r3 options but don’t have the right champs to do abyss just yet and can’t do act 6 completion because it’s so grueling and again not the right champs rng to me
If they make money based offers different due to a r3 6* - that’s gonna rub a lot of people wrong
It’s money that gives different rewards
The money value is the same but because someone’s willing to spend to finish abyss they get way better in game rewards
It’s a way to push people to finish other content (aka spend money) to then get more when spending money
You aren’t gonna convince anyway you’re correct dude
I'm sorry but what you just stated, literally supports the argument that you're not ready for thronebreaker then. You dont have to accomplish everything immediately. I didnt jump on the abyss immediately. I studied the paths, the counters, and how to fight with what champs. Then grinded in the arena for months because I know the abyss takes revives. Now im thronebreaker because I put the effort in. You either got to do the same, put the effort in or buy the units to push through it.
I humbly disagree with you... look let’s be real here skill can only get you so far in this game other then that it’s rng/ luck neither of which I have on my side....I have explored act 6 and got a skill t5cc and I have 0 use for it atm....and I’ve been grinding units for three weeks now for cyber weekend and possibly for my first abyss run if I can’t get a R3 just from the cav offers... I will try and get lucky with the 2 six stars and t5cc but most likely won’t... the thronebreaker title isnt solely tied to putting in effort... I know dudes in my ally and outside of my ally who have only bought stuff and haven’t come close to exploring act 6 or starting abyss yet that have their first r3 before me even tho I’ve done far more content than them... my six star roster is terrible besides Two or three champs one of which needs an awakening(void) it all comes down to six star luck at the end of the day and I have 0 of it atm past 10 all been misses. Nobody can say my roster isn’t developed enough bc I have 24 max five stars and I could have more but I don’t have any I want to rank atm. <<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029252/uploads/editor/mo/7vv6f3gk0ukz.png" alt="" />
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You have Squirrel Girl.

DNA3000

Anyone else think it’s shameful to have a rank 3 6* as a requirement to be Thronebreaker? I’m right there but you have to spend a lot of money or be in top tier alliance to get a rank 3
Well, first of all Thronebreaker is the highest progression tier that exists in the game, and its been only a couple months since it was released. Who do you expect such a progression tier to target? The highest progression players, however they got there, are in fact ranking r3s now. Everyone in the target audience for Thronebreaker either have r3s or could rank one up for the title without any difficulty.

There's nothing shameful about that. If you aren't in that target group yet, but just outside it, you'll get there eventually. T5CC is getting easier to get all the time. Cavalier players who are just getting all the free to play sources of T5CC will almost certainly have their first rank 3 sometime in 2021 if not sooner.

As to what the Thronebreaker offers will likely contain, I think it is fair to say that the Thronebreaker offers will focus on 6* champions, 6* rank up resources, and that will almost certainly include T5CC or r3 rank up materials of some kind.

I can also anticipate the complaint. Thronebreakers will be getting the very resource non-Thronebreakers need to become Thronebreaker, namely T5CC. But that's the point. Those resources should be very hard to obtain until you reach a point in the game where you've demonstrated you can earn them and put them to use, whereupon the game's reward system shifts to making it easier to get so you can make more progress. That's how progression games work.
Furthermore “that’s how progression games work”

No it isn’t dude, why are you making these absolute statements?

You can spend your way to a stacked account which doesn’t show “skill to be worthy of getting the rank up rewards”
You’re so wrong dude the disagrees to agrees shows it

First of all, I believe you're confused about what a progressional game even is. MCOC is a game with reward systems designed around ladders of progress, with resources earned at one ladder used to carry the player to the next step up in the ladder. Specific progress landmarks alter the reward system in a way that makes the rewards more appropriate to the higher progress point in the game. This prevents the player from running into permanent reward rarities. Rare rewards become more common as you progress higher, while another tier of rare rewards take their place. The fact that you discard the title and immediately start talking wildly and tangentially about how the rewards in the game aren't "skill based" implies you think I just made up the term, or you're arguing with an imaginary person in your own head.

This is pretty text book stuff.

And while I'm not someone that gets all that excited about forum flags, I'm more than happy to point out that if you think disagrees proves someone wrong, your own post has more disagrees than agrees. So you must believe you're wrong and need to change your mind.

I have a few reasons to make certain statements about how this game works. I've studied games in general for over thirty years. I've studied progressional games, such as MMOs, for over twenty. I've worked with game developers in the past, and also did contract work for MMOs involving reward systems. This greatly informs my opinion of how progressional games work in general.

Also, I occasionally converse with the developers of this game. I think that's sufficient basis for forming an educated opinion of the game, although of course you're free to disagree there. There's even a button for that.

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Moot4Life

Posting this again because it's getting lost.

Hey everybody,

So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.

TRUE

I wonder how many people here pick out all the marshmallows from the box of Lucky Charms and throw away the cereal. LOL.

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DNA3000

1. You’re not supposed to tag mods and they don’t have to respond.
2. It’s literally bolded, blue, and all caps in the in game message that they will not change during the weekend.
3. No need to be an a**
Genuine question, if we aren't suppose dto tag mods then why can we tag mods?

I don't think tagging the mods is itself explicitly problematic, the problem comes when people think that the mods are required to answer all of your questions. Tagging the mods without specific purpose, repeatedly spam-tagging them, or calling the mods out or demanding responses is the real issue.

The overarching issue is that the mods have finite time, so if everyone started tagging them they wouldn't have enough hours in the day to check on every notification they get when they are tagged somewhere.

Moot4Life

I wonder how many people here pick out all the marshmallows from the box of Lucky Charms and throw away the cereal. LOL.

i know i do

Demonzfyre

Hey everybody,

So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.
Ok this is bull **** then.... I had 3 alliance members in and old alliance who were uncollected buy some cash deals and the unit deals.... the get cavalier and buy those deals too.... and yeah thats great for them and Karam but now they get to double up on the best deals in the game and I'm stuck with one set of deals.... being the highest progression there is.... thats ****.... if you are going to allow them to unlock higher title deals then you need to let those of us at the higher title have access to the lower ones and buy those if we so choose as well as the ones we are currently at

Soooooooooooooooo....................do what they do then? You actually thank them for contributing to keeping the game running. Who cares what others get. Let them do them and you do you.

Hey everybody,

So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.
Ok this is bull **** then.... I had 3 alliance members in and old alliance who were uncollected buy some cash deals and the unit deals.... the get cavalier and buy those deals too.... and yeah thats great for them and Karam but now they get to double up on the best deals in the game and I'm stuck with one set of deals.... being the highest progression there is.... thats ****.... if you are going to allow them to unlock higher title deals then you need to let those of us at the higher title have access to the lower ones and buy those if we so choose as well as the ones we are currently at
No you don’t... that’s the whole point of progression tiers... why would thronebreakers want uncollected or cav offers they aren’t focused towards them... y’all will find anything to complain ab... anyways it’s usually the highest level players that whale out anyways so most cav/ uncollected players won’t be buying everything...
@Sadal look at my breakdown at the start of this page. July 4th, purchasing 3 odins gave you 3 6* nexus crystals, 4.5 T5B, 45% T5CC - plus the 9300 units, you add in the lower unit deals, and the stuff you can purchase with the units - for example.. the 6* awakening gem. They are still relevant, even with the amount the game has changed, the resources in there, with the units are worth it.

If one is allowed to buy as they progress, the others should be allowed the opportunity, if they want to buy the units with the additional items attached.

@DoubleDelta thats what I said exactly you need to tag the person 8m arguing with lol he is the one that said the cav deals are not worth it to thronebreaker.... which the 6 star sig stones, 6 star champions and t5cc in those deals would benefit is

1. You’re not supposed to tag mods and they don’t have to respond.
2. It’s literally bolded, blue, and all caps in the in game message that they will not change during the weekend.
3. No need to be an a**
Genuine question, if we aren't suppose dto tag mods then why can we tag mods?
I don't think tagging the mods is itself explicitly problematic, the problem comes when people think that the mods are required to answer all of your questions. Tagging the mods without specific purpose, repeatedly spam-tagging them, or calling the mods out or demanding responses is the real issue.

The overarching issue is that the mods have finite time, so if everyone started tagging them they wouldn't have enough hours in the day to check on every notification they get when they are tagged somewhere.

Correct. Tagging a specific Mod to bring something to their attention isn't an issue. It's Tagging all Mods to draw attention to Threads, spamming Tags to illicit a response, things of that nature.

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Hey everybody,

So, we've never commented on this, because it's never been an intended reaction, and I cannot guarantee that it will always be this way, but if you change progression levels, you should receive the next tier of offers. While I can't guarantee it 100%, I am very confident in it.
Ok this is bull **** then.... I had 3 alliance members in and old alliance who were uncollected buy some cash deals and the unit deals.... the get cavalier and buy those deals too.... and yeah thats great for them and Karam but now they get to double up on the best deals in the game and I'm stuck with one set of deals.... being the highest progression there is.... thats ****.... if you are going to allow them to unlock higher title deals then you need to let those of us at the higher title have access to the lower ones and buy those if we so choose as well as the ones we are currently at
Soooooooooooooooo....................do what they do then? You actually thank them for contributing to keeping the game running. Who cares what others get. Let them do them and you do you.

Ok so the way I see it July 4th and cyber deals are equal progression of about 6 months to a year of grinding.... so others should get to skip a 2 years worth of grinding while others who did the grinding only get to skip 1.... no kabam has stated they want balance and it to be fair.... the only way for that with these deals is to lock them to you title level when they drop or allow all players to buy the deals for their title level, the ones they have already achieved and the ones the progress into....

@Kaloco14 rank those you would know the be god tier.... i e void... got throne breaker... buy the deals to awaken him...

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Anyone else think it’s shameful to have a rank 3 6* as a requirement to be Thronebreaker? I’m right there but you have to spend a lot of money or be in top tier alliance to get a rank 3
Well, first of all Thronebreaker is the highest progression tier that exists in the game, and its been only a couple months since it was released. Who do you expect such a progression tier to target? The highest progression players, however they got there, are in fact ranking r3s now. Everyone in the target audience for Thronebreaker either have r3s or could rank one up for the title without any difficulty.

There's nothing shameful about that. If you aren't in that target group yet, but just outside it, you'll get there eventually. T5CC is getting easier to get all the time. Cavalier players who are just getting all the free to play sources of T5CC will almost certainly have their first rank 3 sometime in 2021 if not sooner.

As to what the Thronebreaker offers will likely contain, I think it is fair to say that the Thronebreaker offers will focus on 6* champions, 6* rank up resources, and that will almost certainly include T5CC or r3 rank up materials of some kind.

I can also anticipate the complaint. Thronebreakers will be getting the very resource non-Thronebreakers need to become Thronebreaker, namely T5CC. But that's the point. Those resources should be very hard to obtain until you reach a point in the game where you've demonstrated you can earn them and put them to use, whereupon the game's reward system shifts to making it easier to get so you can make more progress. That's how progression games work.
I have plenty of r3 options but don’t have the right champs to do abyss just yet and can’t do act 6 completion because it’s so grueling and again not the right champs rng to me
If they make money based offers different due to a r3 6* - that’s gonna rub a lot of people wrong
It’s money that gives different rewards
The money value is the same but because someone’s willing to spend to finish abyss they get way better in game rewards
It’s a way to push people to finish other content (aka spend money) to then get more when spending money
You aren’t gonna convince anyway you’re correct dude
I'm sorry but what you just stated, literally supports the argument that you're not ready for thronebreaker then. You dont have to accomplish everything immediately. I didnt jump on the abyss immediately. I studied the paths, the counters, and how to fight with what champs. Then grinded in the arena for months because I know the abyss takes revives. Now im thronebreaker because I put the effort in. You either got to do the same, put the effort in or buy the units to push through it.
I humbly disagree with you...

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Anyone else think it’s shameful to have a rank 3 6* as a requirement to be Thronebreaker? I’m right there but you have to spend a lot of money or be in top tier alliance to get a rank 3
Well, first of all Thronebreaker is the highest progression tier that exists in the game, and its been only a couple months since it was released. Who do you expect such a progression tier to target? The highest progression players, however they got there, are in fact ranking r3s now. Everyone in the target audience for Thronebreaker either have r3s or could rank one up for the title without any difficulty.

There's nothing shameful about that. If you aren't in that target group yet, but just outside it, you'll get there eventually. T5CC is getting easier to get all the time. Cavalier players who are just getting all the free to play sources of T5CC will almost certainly have their first rank 3 sometime in 2021 if not sooner.

As to what the Thronebreaker offers will likely contain, I think it is fair to say that the Thronebreaker offers will focus on 6* champions, 6* rank up resources, and that will almost certainly include T5CC or r3 rank up materials of some kind.

I can also anticipate the complaint. Thronebreakers will be getting the very resource non-Thronebreakers need to become Thronebreaker, namely T5CC. But that's the point. Those resources should be very hard to obtain until you reach a point in the game where you've demonstrated you can earn them and put them to use, whereupon the game's reward system shifts to making it easier to get so you can make more progress. That's how progression games work.
I have plenty of r3 options but don’t have the right champs to do abyss just yet and can’t do act 6 completion because it’s so grueling and again not the right champs rng to me
If they make money based offers different due to a r3 6* - that’s gonna rub a lot of people wrong
It’s money that gives different rewards
The money value is the same but because someone’s willing to spend to finish abyss they get way better in game rewards
It’s a way to push people to finish other content (aka spend money) to then get more when spending money
You aren’t gonna convince anyway you’re correct dude
I'm sorry but what you just stated, literally supports the argument that you're not ready for thronebreaker then. You dont have to accomplish everything immediately. I didnt jump on the abyss immediately. I studied the paths, the counters, and how to fight with what champs. Then grinded in the arena for months because I know the abyss takes revives. Now im thronebreaker because I put the effort in. You either got to do the same, put the effort in or buy the units to push through it.
I humbly disagree with you... look let’s be real here skill can only get you so far in this game other then that it’s rng/ luck neither of which I have on my side....I have explored act 6 and got a skill t5cc and I have 0 use for it atm....and I’ve been grinding units for three weeks now for cyber weekend and possibly for my first abyss run if I can’t get a R3 just from the cav offers... I will try and get lucky with the 2 six stars and t5cc but most likely won’t... the thronebreaker title isnt solely tied to putting in effort... I know dudes in my ally and outside of my ally who have only bought stuff and haven’t come close to exploring act 6 or starting abyss yet that have their first r3 before me even tho I’ve done far more content than them... my six star roster is terrible besides Two or three champs one of which needs an awakening(void) it all comes down to six star luck at the end of the day and I have 0 of it atm past 10 all been misses. Nobody can say my roster isn’t developed enough bc I have 24 max five stars and I could have more but I don’t have any I want to rank atm. <<img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/6029252/uploads/editor/mo/7vv6f3gk0ukz.png" alt="" />
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You have Squirrel Girl.
Ya no if I ever was to even consider ranking her I’d need her awakened and sig 150+ and even then I most likely wouldn’t

Why? What's stopping you?
The game is a miserable slug if we're sitting around waiting for the "perfect" Rank Ups. This is what happens when God Tier culture becomes tenet. People don't look at anything but the "best". The great irony is, you Rank SOMETHING, then earn more Resources to build more on that. Sitting around waiting for an Aegon is no way to play and actually enjoy the game. I'd Rank her.

@Kaloco14 you have 5 champs to r3 with out arguing a couple should have the dupe but 2 don't need it and one you have duped.... void could be r3ed better if duped true, capiw could be r3.. yeah the dupe gives him amazing utility but undated he still hits super hard and is tanky af, human torch doesn't need the dupe to go to r3 and put in work and neither does sunspot.... and invisible woman hits hard if you know how to use her and duped at r3 is actually a decent aw defender.... you have champs bud

@Kaloco14 throne breaker is most likely going to have ags for 6 stars in the cash deals somewhere....

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