Defender Diversity one of the best thing kabam has made

ImranImran Posts: 212
edited September 2017 in General Discussion
All blaming kabam for defender diversity! But, with diversity u can use more champ. We use unnecessary champ just in arena. Now, we can use different champ in aw too. Also for this aw fight seems like easy. Now, aw not fill up with spiderman, jugg, nc, iceman, magic. It's a great move by kabam I think.
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  • I appreciate the fact that I don't have to fight like, 5 Magiks in a row. But now, diversity is the game decider, and it's all thanks to the flawed scoring system now (mostly due to the removal of defender kills).

    Diversity is supposed to encourage a variety of defenders to be used. Instead, it is forcing us to bring not just a variety of defenders, but a variety of **** defenders. Out of 50 defenders in your BG, pretty much half of them can't do good in defense. I mean, really, Karnak for defense? No one does that willingly, because they are now forced.

    Diversity is a good idea but when put together with this new scoring system, it's pretty bad
  • CassyCassy Posts: 521
    edited September 2017
    I am too with the new diversity rating.
    In the Old war System,
    In upper class Tier you could only make aus stand with the right Champs in off und def.
    Thats boring and unfair because crystals are random.
    When you got no one who Bypasses thorns, all skill in the World wont help You against a 5* 4/55
  • ImranImran Posts: 212
    Rotmgmoddy wrote: »
    I appreciate the fact that I don't have to fight like, 5 Magiks in a row. But now, diversity is the game decider, and it's all thanks to the flawed scoring system now (mostly due to the removal of defender kills).

    Diversity is supposed to encourage a variety of defenders to be used. Instead, it is forcing us to bring not just a variety of defenders, but a variety of **** defenders. Out of 50 defenders in your BG, pretty much half of them can't do good in defense. I mean, really, Karnak for defense? No one does that willingly, because they are now forced.

    Diversity is a good idea but when put together with this new scoring system, it's pretty bad

    When kabam made hard defender, complain. When kabam made weak defender, complain. WTF!! looks like complain in our dna.
  • ralmadaralmada Posts: 191
    edited September 2017
    It's simple: Kabam should not force us to use heroes that they doesn't put in AQ maps. Just because many heroes are extremely easy to beat.
  • PhantomPhantom Posts: 228
    You could place different champs in the old system, too. Now you just can't place the good ones.
  • Imran wrote: »
    Rotmgmoddy wrote: »
    I appreciate the fact that I don't have to fight like, 5 Magiks in a row. But now, diversity is the game decider, and it's all thanks to the flawed scoring system now (mostly due to the removal of defender kills).

    Diversity is supposed to encourage a variety of defenders to be used. Instead, it is forcing us to bring not just a variety of defenders, but a variety of **** defenders. Out of 50 defenders in your BG, pretty much half of them can't do good in defense. I mean, really, Karnak for defense? No one does that willingly, because they are now forced.

    Diversity is a good idea but when put together with this new scoring system, it's pretty bad

    When kabam made hard defender, complain. When kabam made weak defender, complain. WTF!! looks like complain in our dna.

    I didn't say I hate diversity as a whole, I said that I didn't like how it was executed. It IS a good idea, I already mentioned at least I don't have to fight the same defenders again and again.

    And what exactly is wrong with complaining? People who blindly complain without giving justified reasoning are the ones you should be disliking. These are the forums, there will always be disagreements and criticism because nothing is perfect. At least I gave my own reason as to why diversity isn't perfect now, don't try and derail this thread and make it personal.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 7,044
    chunkyb wrote: »
    Stop saying bad things about diversity. The whole game should be like act 1 and they should add a part where I can dress my champs up in different outfits. More diversity! T4cc should be for everyone in a weekly calendar and I should be able to trade good selfies for battle chips. And whoever can take the most diverse selfies gets a blue title.

    Unfortunately, this is the second snarky post you placed in this thread. That will cost you 125 forum points.
  • chunkybchunkyb Posts: 1,379
    I'll make up for it with MORE diversity and better selfies.

    And you just wait until the Halls of Diversity special quest comes up this month. I'm going for the legend title. I hear each digit of your final time must be unique to qualify.
  • Rotmgmoddy wrote: »
    I appreciate the fact that I don't have to fight like, 5 Magiks in a row. But now, diversity is the game decider, and it's all thanks to the flawed scoring system now (mostly due to the removal of defender kills).

    Diversity is supposed to encourage a variety of defenders to be used. Instead, it is forcing us to bring not just a variety of defenders, but a variety of **** defenders. Out of 50 defenders in your BG, pretty much half of them can't do good in defense. I mean, really, Karnak for defense? No one does that willingly, because they are now forced.

    Diversity is a good idea but when put together with this new scoring system, it's pretty bad

    Put a high sig karnak on an s2 preferred node and he isn't bad at all. He shrugs off stuns almost instantly.
    You have a point but wrong example.
  • TKalTKal Posts: 534
    I like the diversity alone.
    But we need defender kills points back in some way
    And some challenge... new GA is soooo easy... at least hide the class of the champs...
  • CassyCassy Posts: 521
    Not everyone wants wars to be easy... Some of us like the difficult fights. I hate wars now... boring...

    Yeah, cause fighting 5 elektro in middle path 14 war is absolutly not boring. Got it.

    I would like dress up Options. Even streetfigter got that Feature.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 7,044
    Sirnoob wrote: »
    chunkyb wrote: »
    I too hate to be challenged. Difficult things make me have the sads. I don't want to spend time getting good at the game. And if I can't have the same champs that people have worked their butts off for over years of playing, I'm glad that kabam has made it where they can't use them without getting a penalty. Maybe soon, I'll be able to have the uncollected perks without having to face the collector too. Can we just skip act 4 now and get the rewards if we tried really hard?

    Waiting for the update where when someone looses in a quest they get the same rewards as someone who beat it can't have people upset about loosing in a contest also new loosing animation where ur opponent pats u on the head and says u did great for trying here's a thanks for participating trophy

    This should be Deadpool's special three animation.
  • KhanMedina wrote: »
    Rotmgmoddy wrote: »
    I appreciate the fact that I don't have to fight like, 5 Magiks in a row. But now, diversity is the game decider, and it's all thanks to the flawed scoring system now (mostly due to the removal of defender kills).

    Diversity is supposed to encourage a variety of defenders to be used. Instead, it is forcing us to bring not just a variety of defenders, but a variety of **** defenders. Out of 50 defenders in your BG, pretty much half of them can't do good in defense. I mean, really, Karnak for defense? No one does that willingly, because they are now forced.

    Diversity is a good idea but when put together with this new scoring system, it's pretty bad

    Put a high sig karnak on an s2 preferred node and he isn't bad at all. He shrugs off stuns almost instantly.
    You have a point but wrong example.

    That's really just view wise. Some people will find some champs hard, while those same champs may be seen as easier by most other players.

    Karnak is just one example. For me, his L2 is extremely easy to avoid, and none of his abilities are really life threatening and can easily be countered. He just won't do good in defense against most players.

    As for the stun shrug off, that's really just ok at best. It's just like stun immune. Since stun immune is best paired with passive evade but he has none, there really isn't much of an impact with that stun shrug off. So yea, that's why I used him as an example, he is just not good for defense
  • MillybearMillybear Posts: 107
    edited September 2017
    Imran wrote: »
    All blaming kabam for defender diversity! But, with diversity u can use more champ. We use unnecessary champ just in arena. Now, we can use different champ in aw too. Also for this aw fight seems like easy. Now, aw not fill up with spiderman, jugg, nc, iceman, magic. It's a great move by kabam I think.

    Did they brainwashed you??!! :#
  • VoluntarisVoluntaris Posts: 1,114
    forum post with a positive view of unskilled Diversity Parade (previously known as "Wars") - of course it stays open and isn't told to take discussion to main thread.
  • Whether executed properly or not, I agree with the OP. Diversity is a good thing.
  • PhantomPhantom Posts: 228
    Whether executed properly or not, I agree with the OP. Diversity is a good thing.

    I still don't understand you.
  • KhanMedina wrote: »
    Rotmgmoddy wrote: »
    I appreciate the fact that I don't have to fight like, 5 Magiks in a row. But now, diversity is the game decider, and it's all thanks to the flawed scoring system now (mostly due to the removal of defender kills).

    Diversity is supposed to encourage a variety of defenders to be used. Instead, it is forcing us to bring not just a variety of defenders, but a variety of **** defenders. Out of 50 defenders in your BG, pretty much half of them can't do good in defense. I mean, really, Karnak for defense? No one does that willingly, because they are now forced.

    Diversity is a good idea but when put together with this new scoring system, it's pretty bad

    Put a high sig karnak on an s2 preferred node and he isn't bad at all. He shrugs off stuns almost instantly.
    You have a point but wrong example.

    Okay then fight him like a stun immune other than the no stun thing hes **** on defence and specials are amongst the easiest in the game to avoid
  • AW was becoming like AQ. You use the same champs for attack, fighting almost the same champs every time. I think defender diversity is good. This makes sure every war is slightly different based on other alliance's roster.
    I guess the problem is that they have given too many points to defender diversity, so instead of being a tiebreaker, it is turning out to be the main factor in wins.
    May be instead of expecting 50 different champs in every BG, they could do like 30-35. This gives some scope for using good champs but also forces to use some different champs. So we do get some good challenging fights but not like 10 magiks and 10 NC and 10 dormammus.
    Also if they dont wanna count defender kills then add may be something like items used or damage taken numbers to final score?
  • Fraggy wrote: »
    AW was becoming like AQ. You use the same champs for attack, fighting almost the same champs every time. I think defender diversity is good. This makes sure every war is slightly different based on other alliance's roster.
    I guess the problem is that they have given too many points to defender diversity, so instead of being a tiebreaker, it is turning out to be the main factor in wins.
    May be instead of expecting 50 different champs in every BG, they could do like 30-35. This gives some scope for using good champs but also forces to use some different champs. So we do get some good challenging fights but not like 10 magiks and 10 NC and 10 dormammus.
    Also if they dont wanna count defender kills then add may be something like items used or damage taken numbers to final score?

    The problem with that suggestion is it would create the same scenario of having a penalty for making an effort. Item Use, Defender Kills, all the same thing.
  • Fraggy wrote: »
    AW was becoming like AQ. You use the same champs for attack, fighting almost the same champs every time. I think defender diversity is good. This makes sure every war is slightly different based on other alliance's roster.
    I guess the problem is that they have given too many points to defender diversity, so instead of being a tiebreaker, it is turning out to be the main factor in wins.
    May be instead of expecting 50 different champs in every BG, they could do like 30-35. This gives some scope for using good champs but also forces to use some different champs. So we do get some good challenging fights but not like 10 magiks and 10 NC and 10 dormammus.
    Also if they dont wanna count defender kills then add may be something like items used or damage taken numbers to final score?

    The problem with that suggestion is it would create the same scenario of having a penalty for making an effort. Item Use, Defender Kills, all the same thing.

    Not necessarily. If I am low on health, with defender kills, I might not even want to try at all to save on the kill. But if we use item use, I can give it a try and do some damage without using any items. That way I atleast get to try once and after that whether to revive or not is upto the individual or alliance's strategy.
  • PhantomPhantom Posts: 228
    Fraggy wrote: »
    AW was becoming like AQ. You use the same champs for attack, fighting almost the same champs every time. I think defender diversity is good. This makes sure every war is slightly different based on other alliance's roster.
    I guess the problem is that they have given too many points to defender diversity, so instead of being a tiebreaker, it is turning out to be the main factor in wins.
    May be instead of expecting 50 different champs in every BG, they could do like 30-35. This gives some scope for using good champs but also forces to use some different champs. So we do get some good challenging fights but not like 10 magiks and 10 NC and 10 dormammus.
    Also if they dont wanna count defender kills then add may be something like items used or damage taken numbers to final score?

    It actually is the tiebreaker. Offense is too easy at this point. We all tie with Offense. It always comes down to Diversity and Rating. Most AW matchups are with similarly rated alliances, so the deciding factor is almost always Diversity.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 7,044
    Fraggy wrote: »
    Fraggy wrote: »
    AW was becoming like AQ. You use the same champs for attack, fighting almost the same champs every time. I think defender diversity is good. This makes sure every war is slightly different based on other alliance's roster.
    I guess the problem is that they have given too many points to defender diversity, so instead of being a tiebreaker, it is turning out to be the main factor in wins.
    May be instead of expecting 50 different champs in every BG, they could do like 30-35. This gives some scope for using good champs but also forces to use some different champs. So we do get some good challenging fights but not like 10 magiks and 10 NC and 10 dormammus.
    Also if they dont wanna count defender kills then add may be something like items used or damage taken numbers to final score?

    The problem with that suggestion is it would create the same scenario of having a penalty for making an effort. Item Use, Defender Kills, all the same thing.

    Not necessarily. If I am low on health, with defender kills, I might not even want to try at all to save on the kill. But if we use item use, I can give it a try and do some damage without using any items. That way I atleast get to try once and after that whether to revive or not is upto the individual or alliance's strategy.

    That creates the same problem. People would stop trying because they're concerned about giving Points for Items. If they stop trying, things don't get done, and they lose regardless. It shouldn't be a scenario where you have to sacrifice effort for losing through penalty. It means a Loss/Loss situation.

    Reduce the damage of defenders to zero. That solves the problem much more directly than the current system does.
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