CapIW and hype should be BG tier. Void, Red guardian and Sorcerer should be a tier up. Apocalypse and Sunspot are too highly rated Vision aarkus should be demigod tier minimum
Hype I agree with Cap IW needs 200 sigs to be beyond god and in the current 6* focused meta that’s still pretty far off. Also as a long time Cap and Hype user I just think Cap isn’t on that same insane level. Haven’t played any Red Guardian but I’ll probably move him up. Sorcerer should be up a tier but idk about other peoples opinions on that. I love her and think she’s 2nd best in mystic but I’m unsure how well that will go down Void I might move up. Was unsure as to where to put him as I’ve literally never used him. Sunspot I’ll move down fine Apocalypse stays there. He has the potential to completely change so many champions and himself is a banger. Vision Aarkus I cen see moving up
Idk bout that. I’ve used him a lot and without suicides full boosts he can be underwhelming in a lot of longer content. Also in places like 6.3 and onwards he is much harder to use. Still great but not that good.
CHIEF DON'T DO THESE PLEASE. 1) Spenders exist 2) Sig stones becoming more available 3) 6-Star focused meta doesn't make 5 stars completely invalid
@Mr_Predictor loads of good suggestions but I could see you on,y looked at the first of the tier lists of posted as there were MANY changes made. I’ve made loads of changes now. Latest list below:
Notes: 1. Beyond God tier section now just the top 15 champs in game. No specific order but I’m limiting beyond god to 15 champs. I tried putting in all the suggestions to beyond god and it was literally the 3rd biggest section, what’s the point of high god at that point? 2. Apocalypse doesn’t move. He is better than all the high god champs. 3. Cap IW, whilst I love him, is flawed and the fact that you need sigs just to unlock his full utility is my main problem. A champions utility should not vary on sig level alone. IMO champs like Hyperion have the perfect sig ability where it just enhances current abilities. Sigs like Corvus/NF are fine as only the gem is needed not a copious number of other stones.
@Mr_Predictor loads of good suggestions but I could see you on,y looked at the first of the tier lists of posted as there were MANY changes made. I’ve made loads of changes now. Latest list below:
Notes: 1. Beyond God tier section now just the top 15 champs in game. No specific order but I’m limiting beyond god to 15 champs. I tried putting in all the suggestions to beyond god and it was literally the 3rd biggest section, what’s the point of high god at that point? 2. Apocalypse doesn’t move. He is better than all the high god champs. 3. Cap IW, whilst I love him, is flawed and the fact that you need sigs just to unlock his full utility is my main problem. A champions utility should not vary on sig level alone. IMO champs like Hyperion have the perfect sig ability where it just enhances current abilities. Sigs like Corvus/NF are fine as only the gem is needed not a copious number of other stones.
CapIW and hype should be BG tier. Void, Red guardian and Sorcerer should be a tier up. Apocalypse and Sunspot are too highly rated Vision aarkus should be demigod tier minimum
Hype I agree with Cap IW needs 200 sigs to be beyond god and in the current 6* focused meta that’s still pretty far off. Also as a long time Cap and Hype user I just think Cap isn’t on that same insane level. Haven’t played any Red Guardian but I’ll probably move him up. Sorcerer should be up a tier but idk about other peoples opinions on that. I love her and think she’s 2nd best in mystic but I’m unsure how well that will go down Void I might move up. Was unsure as to where to put him as I’ve literally never used him. Sunspot I’ll move down fine Apocalypse stays there. He has the potential to completely change so many champions and himself is a banger. Vision Aarkus I cen see moving up
Idk bout that. I’ve used him a lot and without suicides full boosts he can be underwhelming in a lot of longer content. Also in places like 6.3 and onwards he is much harder to use. Still great but not that good.
Most people are still working towards their first r3, think it's too early to make 6* focused lists.Until 6* Sig stones become more easily available most r3s get outperformed by their high sig 5* counterparts even with the act 7 globals.
Ive used both hype and Cap for a long time but Cap outperforms him at Sig 200. He needs max sig to get all his utility reliably but it makes him one of the most versatile champs in the game. Being able to shrug off any debuff guaranteed from the first parry is an ability that is useful in every game mode.
If you're going to stick with the 6* focus then namor should be moved down.
@Mr_Predictor loads of good suggestions but I could see you on,y looked at the first of the tier lists of posted as there were MANY changes made. I’ve made loads of changes now. Latest list below:
Notes: 1. Beyond God tier section now just the top 15 champs in game. No specific order but I’m limiting beyond god to 15 champs. I tried putting in all the suggestions to beyond god and it was literally the 3rd biggest section, what’s the point of high god at that point? 2. Apocalypse doesn’t move. He is better than all the high god champs. 3. Cap IW, whilst I love him, is flawed and the fact that you need sigs just to unlock his full utility is my main problem. A champions utility should not vary on sig level alone. IMO champs like Hyperion have the perfect sig ability where it just enhances current abilities. Sigs like Corvus/NF are fine as only the gem is needed not a copious number of other stones.
This list is much better now! Also, shulk and nebs still too low. You were good where you have LS and Sunspot imo. I don't think I asked for apoc to be moved lol. Also, champs need different requirements to be good. That's like demoting ghost because she 'needs' hood or demoting apoc because he 'needs' cable. Sigs are becoming MUCH more again and some champs require an investment.
@Mr_Predictor loads of good suggestions but I could see you on,y looked at the first of the tier lists of posted as there were MANY changes made. I’ve made loads of changes now. Latest list below:
Notes: 1. Beyond God tier section now just the top 15 champs in game. No specific order but I’m limiting beyond god to 15 champs. I tried putting in all the suggestions to beyond god and it was literally the 3rd biggest section, what’s the point of high god at that point? 2. Apocalypse doesn’t move. He is better than all the high god champs. 3. Cap IW, whilst I love him, is flawed and the fact that you need sigs just to unlock his full utility is my main problem. A champions utility should not vary on sig level alone. IMO champs like Hyperion have the perfect sig ability where it just enhances current abilities. Sigs like Corvus/NF are fine as only the gem is needed not a copious number of other stones.
@Mr_Predictor loads of good suggestions but I could see you on,y looked at the first of the tier lists of posted as there were MANY changes made. I’ve made loads of changes now. Latest list below:
Notes: 1. Beyond God tier section now just the top 15 champs in game. No specific order but I’m limiting beyond god to 15 champs. I tried putting in all the suggestions to beyond god and it was literally the 3rd biggest section, what’s the point of high god at that point? 2. Apocalypse doesn’t move. He is better than all the high god champs. 3. Cap IW, whilst I love him, is flawed and the fact that you need sigs just to unlock his full utility is my main problem. A champions utility should not vary on sig level alone. IMO champs like Hyperion have the perfect sig ability where it just enhances current abilities. Sigs like Corvus/NF are fine as only the gem is needed not a copious number of other stones.
then why do you have Ægon in beyond god tier
Bc Ægon only needs 50 sigs to do LOL unitless.
??? You want Aegon at max sig 100%. LOL is barely important in todays game. What about namor then? Sig 50 namor good enough?
Corvus in Beyond God. Damage through the roof, indestructible is crazy, a LOT of reach as an r3 6-Star
Sparkles in Beyond God. Same as Corvus, but still has great reach even as 5/65.
Torch in Beyond God. Just my personal opinion though, not too bad in high god. Heal block is insane (can reduce regen rate by 60% 3 hits into a fight). Mystic annihilator. His pre-fight ability is stupidly insane and with it, he has soooo much burst damage for a lot of stuff. Thrives when there are energy attacks (becoming more popular) and some immunities and miss countering to top it off. Not to mention incinerates for diss track.
Hype in beyond god. Damage is insane, bonus points if you can heavy counter. Great for both buffed up and diss track. Poison immune, so can be used for poison nodes and caustic temper. Regen for decent Sustainability. Armor break and incinerates coupled with power gain. High energy Resistance allows him to be viable option for incinerate nodes, shock nodes and other energy damage nodes (bonus points if you run WP).
Void AND Cap IW in Beyond God. Lumped them together bc they do alot of the same things. Firstly, heal block. With FOTV or 2 Petrifies, void can heal block amazingly. Any additionaly debuffs (found all over his kit) reverses it greatly. Cap can heal reverse in a 3 parries with max despair. 1% regen, aggression regen, buffet, maso, and many other things get countered so hard by both of these 2.
Power control. Pretty much the same thing. I ise void a LOT for hype, Kt, and all types of other stuff. Cap IW can do the same thing in once again, a matter of parries.
Let's seperate them now. Void is like the king of diss track once you get going, which also synergizes well with despair. I see a lot of complaints about his damage, but you'll want that sig 200 for that full potential (got mine at sig 160 and his damage is great). When you get 2 FOTVs active, you reduce regen rate by 200% and power gain rate by the same. Not saying that's easily accessible, but it can be done and it's insane when done. You can also technically super slow play void by cornering yourself and spamming parry. Incin immunity and low base damage for nodes like backblast and rage.
Cap IW. 2nd best science 100%. Coming from the owner of an r2 Torch also. I've gone over part of his kit already, but there is more to cover. Firstly, Sustainability. Through the ROOF. Perfect block and glancing for days. Simple but efficient playstyle of parry and heavy. You technically don't even need to stun the opponent either. If they are stun immune, spam parry and build to sp3. Bleeds for diss track. Not to mention purify, unstoppable countering and great synergies. Also, he's technically not synergy reliant either, you just need a solid champ of a certain class for his sig ability.
Ronan in good. Self explanatory.
Rhulk in god easily. If it were me, he qould be high god. Hazard shift for starters, not to mention incin and poison nodes. Stustainable as hell with the big damage to match. Simple but efficient champ that has found his way back into the meta.
Sentinel and Emma in God. Tigra in High God. High skill cap. Abom in good. Solid with RG. Aarkus in God.
Shulk in High God easy. Mate. Slow. Unstoppable and evade. Just off a heavy. Petrify and exhaustion for diss track. Champion counter. One of the highest damage potentials in game. Can bypass LOL Enrage AND Abyss hit cap. Poison immunity and solid shrug off.
Nebula is very good. Robot shut off on par with dusa and mags witb proxima synergy. Would be god if her Sustainability wasn't so bad.
Sorcerer and RG High god.
Also, I want to take a moment to appreciate you not putting thing in beyond god.
Dragon Man and Dusa high god. Magik High God. Stark in god or high god. Doc Oc god. Gwenpool demi god or god.
CapIW and hype should be BG tier. Void, Red guardian and Sorcerer should be a tier up. Apocalypse and Sunspot are too highly rated Vision aarkus should be demigod tier minimum
Hype I agree with Cap IW needs 200 sigs to be beyond god and in the current 6* focused meta that’s still pretty far off. Also as a long time Cap and Hype user I just think Cap isn’t on that same insane level. Haven’t played any Red Guardian but I’ll probably move him up. Sorcerer should be up a tier but idk about other peoples opinions on that. I love her and think she’s 2nd best in mystic but I’m unsure how well that will go down Void I might move up. Was unsure as to where to put him as I’ve literally never used him. Sunspot I’ll move down fine Apocalypse stays there. He has the potential to completely change so many champions and himself is a banger. Vision Aarkus I cen see moving up
Idk bout that. I’ve used him a lot and without suicides full boosts he can be underwhelming in a lot of longer content. Also in places like 6.3 and onwards he is much harder to use. Still great but not that good.
Maybe I'm coming from a different place since I'm using a R2 6* in act 7. Still can do 300k health oppoents
If your rationale for capIW not being in the top tier is he needs sig 200 to be there then why have you put namor there? There’s not much consistency with this tier list @TP33
I have a lot of problems with this (the latest list), but CAIW, Void, and G99 not being in BGT is criminal and you obviously have no experience with them. Also Rhulk is at least a tier too high. The rest, while still not very good, I can at least get by on.
Edit: She-Hulk, Hit-Monkey, Havok, Emma, Sunspot all desevere High God.
Edit edit: Holy ****, Claire isn't in BGT either. I've really gotta stop looking at this list
I have a lot of problems with this (the latest list), but CAIW, Void, and G99 not being in BGT is criminal and you obviously have no experience with them. Also Rhulk is at least a tier too high. The rest, while still not very good, I can at least get by on.
Ayyy baby are you a Shepherd? Cause you got my goat with this tier list.
Seeing CAIW below Sunspot and Thing told me you haven’t played with more than a 4* unduped CAIW
I’ve played with the 4* R5 sig 99 alongside a 4* R5 sig 80(ish) Thing and did so for possibly 8 months. Idk I just see more use in a Thing on both offense and defense. Also I’ve changed around sunspot and cap anyways now so.
@Kill_Grey That beyond god tier is meant to be reserved for those champs that if rerun in Cav crystals would see people buying them in the masses. Tbh anything from the high god tier I would R3 as a 6* immidiately.
then why isn’t CMM in beyond god tier? People would buy those cavs if they came back
CMM needs a NF more than you’d think. I use her, love her. But she’s not as good without NF. Tried running her in some act 6 and honestly binary does run out without him. My final word on Corvus is just personally I don’t like his reliance on landing those first 20 hits. I prefer a champion that I can use who doesn’t have a hit ‘cap’. I’ve moved him up though so you should be happy.
I hate Corvus but his original placement sucked
that is the worst argument I’ve ever heard. At least Nick is also great
Ghost needs Hood (and Wasp, but not as much) to reach her true potential
I don't why you need hood... She is amazing without hood... Hood synergy is just cherry on top which gives you survivability ...the thing 95% champion can't give ....
Ayyy baby are you a Shepherd? Cause you got my goat with this tier list.
Seeing CAIW below Sunspot and Thing told me you haven’t played with more than a 4* unduped CAIW
I’ve played with the 4* R5 sig 99 alongside a 4* R5 sig 80(ish) Thing and did so for possibly 8 months. Idk I just see more use in a Thing on both offense and defense. Also I’ve changed around sunspot and cap anyways now so.
@Kill_Grey That beyond god tier is meant to be reserved for those champs that if rerun in Cav crystals would see people buying them in the masses. Tbh anything from the high god tier I would R3 as a 6* immidiately.
then why isn’t CMM in beyond god tier? People would buy those cavs if they came back
CMM needs a NF more than you’d think. I use her, love her. But she’s not as good without NF. Tried running her in some act 6 and honestly binary does run out without him. My final word on Corvus is just personally I don’t like his reliance on landing those first 20 hits. I prefer a champion that I can use who doesn’t have a hit ‘cap’. I’ve moved him up though so you should be happy.
I hate Corvus but his original placement sucked
that is the worst argument I’ve ever heard. At least Nick is also great
Ghost needs Hood (and Wasp, but not as much) to reach her true potential
I don't why you need hood... She is amazing without hood... Hood synergy is just cherry on top which gives you survivability ...the thing 95% champion can't give ....
Well she does need Hood to reach her "true potential". Spidey's not saying Ghost needs them, but of course she needs him if you're looking for the best Ghost possible.
I get trying to be an influencer/voice in the community, sure. But clearly not having enough experience with the game, its champs, and its mechanics is a sign you need to do some more studying before making something like this and trying to guide the community. Don't try so hard to make your voice heard when you don't know what you're saying. Take some more time to learn and then move forward with this. Looks like you've still got a lot of work to do.
@Mr_Predictor loads of good suggestions but I could see you on,y looked at the first of the tier lists of posted as there were MANY changes made. I’ve made loads of changes now. Latest list below:
Notes: 1. Beyond God tier section now just the top 15 champs in game. No specific order but I’m limiting beyond god to 15 champs. I tried putting in all the suggestions to beyond god and it was literally the 3rd biggest section, what’s the point of high god at that point? 2. Apocalypse doesn’t move. He is better than all the high god champs. 3. Cap IW, whilst I love him, is flawed and the fact that you need sigs just to unlock his full utility is my main problem. A champions utility should not vary on sig level alone. IMO champs like Hyperion have the perfect sig ability where it just enhances current abilities. Sigs like Corvus/NF are fine as only the gem is needed not a copious number of other stones.
then why do you have Ægon in beyond god tier
Bc Ægon only needs 50 sigs to do LOL unitless.
??? You want Aegon at max sig 100%. LOL is barely important in todays game. What about namor then? Sig 50 namor good enough?
My point is that Ægon definitely doesn’t NEED to be max sig. he performs very well at lower sigs. Mine is currently sig 100 and can transfer around 60% of combo. This means that nearly 100 sigs equate to only a 15% change in potency. Whilst to do stuff like AOL you do want him at max sig it’s not needed for reliable performance.
For everyone saying cap IW should be a tier higher I will. Also She Hulk, G2099 and BWCV go up
Beyond God was meant to be reserved for the top 15 champions but if you want it you can get it.
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1) Spenders exist
2) Sig stones becoming more available
3) 6-Star focused meta doesn't make 5 stars completely invalid
Notes:
1. Beyond God tier section now just the top 15 champs in game. No specific order but I’m limiting beyond god to 15 champs. I tried putting in all the suggestions to beyond god and it was literally the 3rd biggest section, what’s the point of high god at that point?
2. Apocalypse doesn’t move. He is better than all the high god champs.
3. Cap IW, whilst I love him, is flawed and the fact that you need sigs just to unlock his full utility is my main problem. A champions utility should not vary on sig level alone. IMO champs like Hyperion have the perfect sig ability where it just enhances current abilities. Sigs like Corvus/NF are fine as only the gem is needed not a copious number of other stones.
Ive used both hype and Cap for a long time but Cap outperforms him at Sig 200. He needs max sig to get all his utility reliably but it makes him one of the most versatile champs in the game. Being able to shrug off any debuff guaranteed from the first parry is an ability that is useful in every game mode.
If you're going to stick with the 6* focus then namor should be moved down.
You want Aegon at max sig 100%. LOL is barely important in todays game. What about namor then? Sig 50 namor good enough?
Edit: She-Hulk, Hit-Monkey, Havok, Emma, Sunspot all desevere High God.
Edit edit: Holy ****, Claire isn't in BGT either. I've really gotta stop looking at this list
And I quite honestly agree.
For everyone saying cap IW should be a tier higher I will. Also She Hulk, G2099 and BWCV go up
Beyond God was meant to be reserved for the top 15 champions but if you want it you can get it.
Updated list, everyone’s happy now.