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What's with the domino bashing?

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    The_Sentry06The_Sentry06 Posts: 7,781 ★★★★★
    edited January 2021
    No one is saying that Domino doesn't have damage. She has that. It's her lack and unreliability of utility which turns off some people. And the fact that as the game has evolved, more champions are starting to get similar damage outputs.
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    ThatGuyYouSaw235ThatGuyYouSaw235 Posts: 3,145 ★★★★★
    edited January 2021
    HI_guys said:

    The funniest domino I still don't get is that domino needs synergies to be good but cable who also needs synergies is better than domino because of the synergy. Like what

    I mean I don't believe Domino is only good with synergies, she just gets better. The thing is, Cable only needs one synergy and even without his he has power gain, incinerate, regen, 95% AAR and true strike. That's kinda why people place him higher because at his peak he has more (reliable) utility than domino and has high damage output.
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    ThatGuyYouSaw235ThatGuyYouSaw235 Posts: 3,145 ★★★★★
    HI_guys said:

    ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

    HI_guys said:

    The funniest domino I still don't get is that domino needs synergies to be good but cable who also needs synergies is better than domino because of the synergy. Like what

    I mean I don't believe Domino is only good with synergies, she just gets better. The thing is, Cable only needs one synergy and even without his he has power gain, incinerate, regen, 95% AAR and true strike. That's kinda why people place him higher because at his peak he has more (reliable) utility than domino and has high damage output.
    Cable without apoc synergy is straight trash . Karnak has true strike, precison and 80% passive concussion that lasts for 40 seconds. But no one is going to ramp him up.
    that's why you use Cable with Apoc... because his damage suddenly gets a strong buff and his utilities are there as well. Karnak on the other hand hits poorly and dare I say you might have actually listed all the utilities Domino has except more reliable.
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    ThatGuyYouSaw235ThatGuyYouSaw235 Posts: 3,145 ★★★★★
    Xmas-Monke said:

    ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

    HI_guys said:

    The funniest domino I still don't get is that domino needs synergies to be good but cable who also needs synergies is better than domino because of the synergy. Like what

    I mean I don't believe Domino is only good with synergies, she just gets better. The thing is, Cable only needs one synergy and even without his he has power gain, incinerate, regen, 95% AAR and true strike. That's kinda why people place him higher because at his peak he has more (reliable) utility than domino and has high damage output.
    Cable is fs not better than Domino w/o synergies, but w/ them he gains the bleed resistance and the insane degen damage, that too usable in stuff like abyss.

    Domino < Cable w/ horseman
    Cable < domino w/ horseman
    never said he was better without synergies cause his damage is really bad without them
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    TheMailmannTheMailmann Posts: 120 ★★
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    Utility wise she’s not even a top 20 mutant (15% AAR INSANE‼️‼️‼️)

    Damage wise her damage is RNG and requires 2 synergies with 1 good champ and 1 alright champ and still her damage doesn’t come close to the top mutants even when RNG lines up so she’s a top 12 mutant damage wise

    Since utility>damage Domino is not a top 20 mutant anymore

    This is honestly the biggest pile of nonsense. Not a top 20 mutant? This is why the Domino hate is so absurd. It ought to be possible to not like a good champ without making them out to be Groot.
    I can name 20 mutants who are more useful than Domino
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    Apocalypse - Tons of utility, consistent immunities, and huge special attacks. Buffs up the entire mutant class.

    Archangel - DOT god, AAR god

    Cable (with Apocalypse synergy) - Both Domino and Cable have little utility, however Cable (especially as a horseman) can regenerate a large chunk of his health every time he crosses a power threshold and can gain power once awakened. His degeneration debuffs, in which only robots are immune to, are extremely potent. He has other small pieces of utility, but they aren't that good.

    Colossus - 6 immunities, extremely tanky, consistent insane damage

    Emma Frost - Lots of utility, evade counter, tanky, tons of immunities

    Gambit (even better as Horseman) - Gambit by himself is better than Domino, but as a horseman, he can achieve 9 hit combos through 1 parry, which is insanely useful. That is in addition to his normal abilities, in which he can counter passive damage back with his medium, heavy, and special attacks, he can reduce regen/power rate, and has -150% bleed resistance (unlike Domino's terrible 50% bleed resistance that is temporary and its length is RNG dependent). He also has a +300% special attack damage with 10 prowess buffs, which are extremely easy to get now with his buff.

    Havok - Tons of utility, insane energy resistance, incinerate immune, huge special attacks, huge DOT, non contact energy attacks

    Iceman - Triple immunities, evade counter, tanky, can tank sp3s, Havok counter, and can do solid damage with coldsnap and frostbite

    Magneto - Metal destroyer, insane utility and damage, nuff said

    Magneto House of X - Metal destroyer as well (extremely potent 70% AAR compared to Domino's terrible 15% AAR), huge special attacks, utility machine, bleed immune. Can also place passive stuns on the opponent instead of stun debuffs on a parry.

    Namor - At sig 200, can reflect ALL damage taken on him to the opponent. Absolutely insane ability. Also can hit really hard once ramped up and can regen some health.

    Old Man Logan - can regenerate a lot of health, has powerful critical bleeds, access to many fury buffs that increase his damage, immune to ability accuracy modification, can armor break, bleed debuffs are 95% less potent, deals extra damage on the opponent for purified debuffs

    Omega Red - Insane DOT, 90% bleed resistance, poison immune, suicide king, AW king, regeneration, ignores all passive damage back with tentacle hits

    Professor X - Easy access to evade and miss counter, huge special attacks, can power control through mind control, immune to reversed controls

    Horseman Psylocke - Can keep the opponent power locked for the entire fight, massive burst off psi charge damage to end off a fight, huge critical rating with the horseman synergy, can power drain and power gain when power draining under a threshold of power

    Rogue - Lots of utility, powerful regeneration off sp1, ALL debuffs have 70% reduced duration, power drain off sp2 (even stronger as horseman with more special attack damage), can replicate buffs which could lead to insane buff combinations and possibilities

    Sabretooth (even better with Sasquatch synergy) - Coldsnap and frostbite immune, absolutely insane damage, can do Labyrinth of Legends and Abyss of Legends (needs Sasquatch synergy), can regenerate health, has consistent non-RNG reliant damage

    Storm (Pyramid X) (even better as a horseman) - Tons of utility through passive stun anti-purify counter (Annihilus and Korg counter, let's see Domino take those fights easily), huge special attacks, can be a full evade counter with long lasting frostbite off sp1, can be coldsnap or shock immune (shock immune is very rare and useful), among other pieces of utility

    Sunspot - Has immense control over the fight with his playstyle, can apply tons of incinerates on the opponent, huge special attacks, consistent perfect block, incinerate immunity, large power gain off siphoning incinerate debuffs onto himself

    Horseman Wolverine - Absolutely insane (Possibly the best mutant in the game). Can almost not die with his insane regeneration, bleed resistance, and insane bleed damage (consistent critical bleeds unlike the RNG dependent Domino who has a chance to not proc bleeds let alone critical bleeds on special attacks).

    Wolverine (Weapon X) - Immune to regeneration rate modification, insane consistent bleed damage, can go unstoppable and unblockable allowing aggressive play, insane regeneration
    So many of these are hilariously bad.

    Weapon X: So the champ literally nobody normal can get can be used as an all-out nuke? Cute, but Domino is accessible to all and has comparable damage, and benefits more from smart play as opposed to mr. all or nothing.

    Sunspot: They honestly have similar damage outputs, but Domino's is more easily accessed. Both have access to perfect block, though while Sunspot's is more reliable, it relies entirely on the opponent not being incinerate immune. If they are, he's useless. Pretty damn good for Red Hulk, though.

    Sabretooth: You're joking, right? Domino can do the freaking Labyrinth. Maybe not as fast with Sasquatch synergy, but that is literally Sabre's only application. Anywhere else, he's relatively weak and only annoying on recovery nodes in war.

    Rogue: If they increased her stolen buff duration I'd be inclined to agree with you. As of the moment, her damage is lacking, and while her regeneration is nice, I like to kill my opponents today, thanks.

    Horseman Wolverine: Unlike Domino, if the opponent is bleed immune, this guy is just as boring as normal Wolverine.

    Psylocke: No, Wrong. Very bad. Any champ with any version of passive power gain (And how many nodes for that are there?) just nopes this entire thing.

    Professor X: Domino has evade counter mechanics too, you know, and has immediately accessible damage output, which makes her more useful in many situations. X is better for longer fights, mind, but Domino is a good nuke for quick ones.

    Old Man Logan: Exact same scenario as Prof X. Good damage, but Domino's is more easily accessible. Also you can't use 'critical bleeds' as an argument when Domino INVENTED that concept. Only Squirrel Girl does them any better, and her bleeds are weak and just used for an instant bleed nuke. His regen is also fairly weak....and Domino also has an armor break.

    White Magneto: His special attacks truly aren't anything overly special. Source: Have a 6*. He's nowhere near the metal destroyer his red brother is, and is honestly useful for his prefight...which Domino can abuse. They go good TOGETHER.

    Namor: While his eventual damage is definitely better than Domino's, there's a buildup to it. His utility allows him to take some fights she can't, but I say again: Domino has an immediately accessible high damage output. I will continue to say this to prove that Domino is either just as useful as, or occasionally better, than champions you mention.

    Iceman: Domino's evade counter is better, and Iceman's damage is absolutely pitiful.

    Gambit: I'm sorry, I've used Gambit, and he's just a bit overhyped. His main use is still Power Reserve L1 spam cheese. His special attacks aren't overly fantastic in base form, and in Horseman form what he mostly gains is perfect block...which you then have to sacrifice to access his damage output. So he functions like Omega now? I'd prefer to use Omega. His utility still isn't all that great. He's still rather difficult to use.

    Emma Frost: This is a case of entirely different situations. Emma's problem is she can't do everything at once. Wanna evade counter? Then you lose all your immunities. Want to be immune to everything? You either need the Colossus synergy or you need to be incredible at managing both your and your opponent's power bars...and even then you can't remain in diamond form when throwing specials. Also...armor break completely shuts all of this down.

    Cable: How is this any different from Domino synergy incinerate spam? Answer, it isn't, and Domino's isn't reliant on the enemy's power level. In addition, Cable's abilities are also RNG based. How is he 'better'?

    AA: If the enemy has even one common immunity, he's ****. Literal feast or famine with AA. Domino, meanwhile, can be used against nearly everyone.

    Every argument of 'better as horseman': Guess who else can become a horseman? Yeah, that's what I thought.

    Now then...you still have, by my count, 14 to go? I could have said something about Storm X and even possibly Havok, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
    See I was right about to hit agree but then you start brining the actual god tiers like AA, Sunspot, and prof x.
    First, Domino doesn't have ALL PERFECT BLOCKS LIKE SUNSPOT and sunspots dmg is way higher, Dominos evade counter is ONLY IF UNLUCKY,


    and the AA argument. Just wth
    All is fair play when the other side is bashing her just as unfairly and unapologetically. They can't handle having their champs' downsides mentioned in passing and using it to call the champ bad? Then maybe they shouldn't do it.

    While I don't fully agree with everything I said, I did it to prove a point.

    Domino bashers are hypocrites.
    I’m not usually a domino basket and I’ve said it before. I only bash her when people put her above the actual best mutants in the game. Like if someone puts her at num 5 of course I would disagree and rant. Plus half the “downsides” aren’t even downsides. There well yeah that champ has it, but domino has a worse version of it so therefore she’s better. The only one was AA which yeah is an actual disadvantage but do you hear yourself? Your saying domino is better than AA. AA can shut down anything with toxins and if they have immunity’s you use one of your other champs to fight that fight. It’s not like your going to only bring in one champ per quest are you.
    You obviously weren't listening.

    I don't agree with everything I said.

    I said it specifically to prove the point that this is basically what many of the Domino bashers are doing.
    How am I not handling getting bashed on. Do I look like I’m throwing a tantrum or reporting you or something? I’m just expressing my opinions
    That's literally not the point. I'm not targeting you specifically with that rant, I was targeting the people who uninformedly bash Domino by pointng out a base deficiency that I could point out a million times in other characters. Literally anything can be spun good or bad with the right wording.

    Here, I'll give you an example.

    "Great bleed immunity, can proc both fury and armor up to reduce damage and increase it at the same time, has a very long and reliable Unstoppable."

    I'm talking about UC.

    Point is Domino doesn't deserve most of the hatred she gets. I have an R3 one and have absolutely no regrets, as she's one of my primary war attackers. 'You don't bring in 3 champs to facilitate 1' is an extremely poor argument, as I do it constantly in war and suffer no repercussions (I am deathless in 3 tier 1 war seasons in a row and counting). Hell, this war I'm using vanilla Domino and still slaughtering.

    I don't get the hate, so I decided to trigger a few Domino bashers in turn. Nothing was directed at you, my guy.
    Domino: No poison, fury, and not good for XL variant
    Abomination: Has poison, fury, and good for XL variant
    Clearly you can see who the better champ is with these facts
    clearly you haven’t tried using domino trinity for variant 2. i explored XL variant using domino trinity as my main path clearer and boss fights. if you haven’t tried using her trinity for that variant you’re missing out because that was the easiest variant with her trinity
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