Cap IW sig ability needed?

Does cap iw really need his sig ability to be good? I was reading his sig ability and was thinking that the only parts of it that I would find myself needing a lot would be the petrify and maybe the armor break. So does he really need to be awakened to be worth ranking up to something like r5 as a 5 star or r2 as a 6 star, or am I just missing something really important about his sig?

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Riptide

His damage is amazing with or without. A good chunk of his utility comes from his sig. I would personally still rank him , but awaken and sig as soon as possible.

Denzel116

Does cap iw really need his sig ability to be good? I was reading his sig ability and was thinking that the only parts of it that I would find myself needing a lot would be the petrify and maybe the armor break. So does he really need to be awakened to be worth ranking up to something like r5 as a 5 star or r2 as a 6 star, or am I just missing something really important about his sig?

Does he NEED it?

Without it, he still bangs. He’s like...super. But with his awakened ability at 200 he’s like supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

That’s honestly the best way I can describe it.

MegaSkater67

Personally I would want a sig level of at least 160 for him to be reliable with the benefits he gains from that. One of the big ones is the skill bonus, it allows him to shrug off any debuff in the game in exchange for one kinetic charge. So if you parry a few times you can take on all sorts of nodes and champions like biohazard, hazard shift, abomination, Morningstar etc. The problem with this one is that without sig 200 there’s always a chance that he won’t shrug off that debuff, so it’s never safe until you reach max sig for that reason. The other benefits don’t need sig 200, but the higher the level the better. Petrify and armour break are the two other most important ones for me personally as these allow you to significantly reduce/reverse healing or easily deal with champs line killmonger and Emma frost. If you want a full breakdown on cap I wrote a guide for him some time ago, I can leave it below if you want to refer to it for anything. But in short, would I rank him unduped? Honestly that would depend on the rest of your roster and what you need for me. I wouldn’t rank him without the sig, but to many people that could still be invaluable. Anyway, here is the guide if that’s of any use to you:

A guide to Captain America Infinity War

**Overview:**

If you're looking for damage or utility, Cap can give you the best of both worlds and make it look easy. He excels with a parry reliant playstyle, so he's actually very easy to use. All of the following will be based on an unawakened Cap, I'll come to his signature ability later on and explain why that can be so useful.

To begin with, all of his abilities are passive effects, so you never need to worry about nodes like buffet or nullify abilities. This applies to his kinetic charges and passive fury effects. Cap gains kinetic potential in 3 different ways primarily. When you parry an attack, you will have a 100% chance to gain one kinetic potential, regular blocks will have a 50% chance and being struck by the opponent gives you a 15% chance to gain one charge. These are capped at 5 stacks and are key to utilising Cap effectively. Kinetic potential provides the following benefits and are based on a Rank 5 Level 65 Captain America Infinity war:

\-1150.5 attack

\-700 Physical resistance

\-700 Energy resistance

\-The ability to nullify unstoppable buffs (not passives) when your attacks make contact. This has a 100% chance to trigger. Be aware that this does act as a nullify so it won’t work against champions that are immune to nullify. Thing would be a good example of this.

\-30% Chance for incoming attacks to glance. This applies to blocked hits as well and glancing hits will have -100% offensive ability accuracy. The chance to glance is doubled when facing mystic opponents.

After using a special attack, Cap will lose all of his kinetic potential charges. It’s worth mentioning that the energy resistance he gains can be quite useful against certain types of unavoidable damage such as coldsnap or limbo. Since they both deal direct energy damage this increased resistance will limit how much damage those abilities can do to you. To test this, start a fight with an awakened iceman and watch the damage for a few seconds without blocking or getting hit. Then parry or block some attacks and you should see a clear difference when you become kinetically charged.

**Playstyle:**

Cap is a fantastic character because he flawlessly combines the ability to tank incoming damage and deal a lot of damage in return. The best way to maximise your damage output is to use a parry heavy playstyle. By doing this, you gain 1 more kinetic potential each time you parry and you keep refreshing his passive fury effect which can provide a very significant increase to your base attack. When you parry with cap, you will always take 0 damage thanks to his high block proficiency. The only time this doesn’t apply is when the opponent has block penetration. It doesn’t matter how high their attack rating is, block penetration is the one to watch out for. A reduction in your block proficiency can impact this in a similar way, incinerate debuffs or certain nodes could cause this.

Whenever you use your heavy attack it will activate a passive fury effect for 5 seconds. The strength of this fury will depend on the number of kinetic potential charges active at the time. Each charge will increase your attack by 1150.5 at 5/65. You then receive another increase of 1150.5 because you are considered kinetically charged. This is a total increase of 6903 attack so you’ll be seeing some very impressive damage numbers. The focus then is to build up to SP2, activate your passive fury and then cancel that heavy attack into the special. If this attack is critical you could deal up to 90,000 damage in a single hit without suicide masteries. I’ll go into more detail about that below.

**Special Attacks:**

**SP1-** This attack gives cap a little bit more utility with some decent damage depending on how you use it. It applies 3 stacks of bleed (one for each hit) and reduces the opponent’s defensive ability accuracy by 100% for the duration of this attack, this only applies if you are kinetically charged. You can use this to prevent abilities from triggering, an example could be pushing Magik over a bar of power to prevent limbo from activating. To increase your bleed damage, simply build up your kinetic potential and cancel a heavy attack into it. You can allow the first hit to connect and then throw the special.

**SP2-** This is where the big damage comes from. As I mentioned before you can hit up to 90k damage with this attack by gaining 5 kinetic potential charges and using it with your passive fury effect active. On top of the increased attack from your fury and being kinetically charged, this attack also benefits from an additional 1150.5 attack per charge and an increased stun duration per charge too. So, your base attack when using this can be increased by up to 12,655.5

1150.5x5=5753.5

5753.5+6903=12,655.5

This number excludes the standard base attack listed below his total health.

**SP3-** This attack is also capable of doing some very impressive damage, it can be particularly useful against champions like Mr Sinister as it can’t be critical which in turn, means that he can’t heal from it and undo the damage. Cap gains 2301 attack for up to two different classes on his team when he is kinetically charged, this doesn’t include himself though. That means that he can increase his attack by up to 11,505 when using a SP3. You can expect close to or more than 50k damage in ideal circumstances for this attack.

2301x2=4602

4602+6903=11,505

**Signature ability:**

Cap gains a lot of valuable utility from this and benefits greatly from being at a high signature level. He gains different bonuses by having a variety of class types on his team, my personal favourites are cosmic, mystic and skill:

Mutant- X% chance to gain 1 Kinetic potential after using a special attack

Skill- X% chance to shrug off a debuff when it is gained by consuming one kinetic potential

Science-X% chance to place a weakness debuff on the opponent when using parry

Mystic-X% chance to gain one kinetic potential whenever a buff expires on the opponent or you nullify an unstoppable buff

Cosmic-X% chance to place an armour break debuff on the opponent when using parry

Tech-X% chance to place a petrify debuff on the when using parry, this reduces healing abilities by 25%

Signature level estimates for the value of X above. Level 50 and level 200 are both accurate values taken from in game examples.

\-Level 50 (52% chance)

\-Level 100 (65-70% chance)

\-Level 150(80-90% chance)

\-Level 200 (100% chance)

If you want to reverse healing with cap the trick is to combine despair with petrify and stack as many debuffs as possible. It would be beneficial to bring a science and cosmic along with a tech so that you get 3 debuffs each time you parry.

Batman_bruce31

Cap IW is a snake.
If u want a poisonous snake....awaken him.
If u want a pet snake.....fine unawakened.

Both of them bite pretty hard but poisonous snakes are more powerful and have more utility.

_Bruce

MaxtheSilent

Lots of champs can hit hard. Few have his level of damage and utility combined when he's awakened at high sig.

Magrailothos

Took my 6-star Cap to R2 Unawakened, as my very first R2. No regrets.

@MegaSkater67 has given an excellent breakdown. My main tip is not to sleep on the SP1 - if you chain it after a Heavy, you stay getting some pretty serious bleed damage; and the 100% AAR is useful in a load of situations.

Go for it!

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Fancyson

Cap is great unawakened because he still has the perfect block, counters evade and unstoppable, and great damage. However, the awakened ability is really what takes him to the next level. Ideally you want him max sig, but what no one talks about is how good his awakened ability is at a low sig level. You can't reliably reverse healing or shrug debuffs, but you still gain the utility of armor breaks, mitigating heal and power gain, as well as dealing with disstrack even if its only 50-60% reliability. I have him at sig 60 and he still is one of my most used champions. I can't wait to get him to 200 eventually.

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Hammerbro_64

The amount of content that you can get around with just perfect parry heavy combos is actually crazy. If they can be stunned for the full duration there really isn’t much he can’t do. (This is oversimplifying but not by very much)

Kerneas

From my experience, he is kinda like the anime characters who gain strength during the story:

1) unawakened
Very strong, nice damage, but less utility. The adventure begins

2) awakened at sig 1-150
Stronger, growing in power. Utility starts becoming more reliable.

3) max sig
Ultimate true potential super sayian (idk I dont watch DB), reliable utility, max sttength. Increased damage, pretty reliable immunity, works like a charm for a majority of fights.

So to conclude: he is usable without awakening and he does great job even unawakened. But if you compare that to the potential he has awakened and high sig, he looks like a toddler next to a wrestler

Despacito

No, but it helps deal with a lot of annoying nodes. Plus the armor breaks allow you to do truckloads of damage

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Nameless_IW

i have a very important question about CAIW kinetic charges.

I know while kinetically charged he gains 1150.50 attack rating. and some of resistance.

My questions are:

1. Would his basic attack hit the same with 1 kinetic charge as opposed to 5.

2. Would he take less damage with 5 kinetic charge while taking blocked hits from contact hits? energy based hits? and what about energy based specials like Apocalypse sp1?

I'm asking these questions because I know his sp2 damage scales based off how many kinetic charges he's got.

if anybody knows please shed some light.

Magrailothos

i have a very important question about CAIW kinetic charges.

I know while kinetically charged he gains 1150.50 attack rating. and some of resistance.

My questions are:

1. Would his basic attack hit the same with 1 kinetic charge as opposed to 5.

2. Would he take less damage with 5 kinetic charge while taking blocked hits from contact hits? energy based hits? and what about energy based specials like Apocalypse sp1?

I'm asking these questions because I know his sp2 damage scales based off how many kinetic charges he's got.

if anybody knows please shed some light.

1. Yes, unless he has a Fury passive - the Fury passive gets stronger the more charges he has. That's why his Parry-Heavy-Special rotation does so much damage. The Special-2 gains twice over from charges, so hits ridiculously hard.

2. No, he doesn't get any greater defensive bonuses from five charges then he does from one. But his Physical and Energy resistance plus his Glancing ability can save him from a lot of hurt.

Magrailothos

Took my 6-star Cap to R2 Unawakened, as my very first R2. No regrets.

@MegaSkater67 has given an excellent breakdown. My main tip is not to sleep on the SP1 - if you chain it after a Heavy, you stay getting some pretty serious bleed damage; and the 100% AAR is useful in a load of situations.

Go for it!
unduped cap has 100% aar ?

Only in his SP1. Very useful against champs like Magik, or those with predictable cheat death/regen/armour mechanics.