FAIRNESS about members of the Act 7 BETA program contributing in LEGEND runs

DarkKnightOfMcoc

How fair is it, that members of the BETA program are allowed to contribute in Legend runs after practicing so many days and the rest have to do the run immediately without the chance to do fights multiple times with endless resources, trying out different champs etc.?

Notsavage19

Why not just look at the content creator videos? Testing out different champs makes no difference if you're going to be given information about the optimal champs to use in the content. Also, don't forget that content in the beta is subject to changes, so even IF they do gain an "advantage", it might not be guaranteed to stay the same as it is right now.

DarkKnightOfMcoc

no one of the beta contributors will give out the best choice he figured out after multiple runs.

the beta act 7 program and ccp is not the same btw.

So many "ifs" and "mights" in your reply. Sry but that is no answer to the topic.

I dont talk about if or might. An advantage is fact, even it is 1% and it is way more then 1 %

Notsavage19

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

no one of the beta contributors will give out the best choice he figured out after multiple runs.

the beta act 7 program and ccp is not the same btw.

I understand that, but wouldn't viewing multiple CCP videos covering the new beta give you an idea of who would be a good choice in the content?

Also, you don't know that "none of the beta contributors will give out best choices". Hell, if you ask one of them, they'd probably be more than happy to tell you.

Notsavage19

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

So many "ifs" and "mights" in your reply. Sry but that is no answer to the topic.

I dont talk about if or might. An advantage is fact, even it is 1% and it is way more then 1 %

Context clues, dear. My ifs were not used as a declaration of uncertainty. Furthermore, I say "might" because the beta will likely change a bit compared to the final product.

DarkKnightOfMcoc

Notsavage19 said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

no one of the beta contributors will give out the best choice he figured out after multiple runs.

the beta act 7 program and ccp is not the same btw.

I understand that, but wouldn't viewing multiple CCP videos covering the new beta give you an idea of who would be a good choice in the content?

Also, you don't know that "none of the beta contributors will give out best choices". Hell, if you ask one of them, they'd probably be more than happy to tell you.

Do you really know the difference between Act 7 Beta and ccp videos about new champs?
Not sure you get the point, sry.

Notsavage19

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

Notsavage19 said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

no one of the beta contributors will give out the best choice he figured out after multiple runs.

the beta act 7 program and ccp is not the same btw.

I understand that, but wouldn't viewing multiple CCP videos covering the new beta give you an idea of who would be a good choice in the content?

Also, you don't know that "none of the beta contributors will give out best choices". Hell, if you ask one of them, they'd probably be more than happy to tell you.

Do you really know the difference between Act 7 Beta and ccp videos about new champs?
Not sure you get the point, sry.

Not sure why you think the CCP is only for new champs...

Not sure you get the point either. Sorry sweetheart.

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Eb0ny-O-M4w

So it's better not to have any beta? Then how will someone give feedback about it?

DarkKnightOfMcoc

Notsavage19 said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

Notsavage19 said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

no one of the beta contributors will give out the best choice he figured out after multiple runs.

the beta act 7 program and ccp is not the same btw.

I understand that, but wouldn't viewing multiple CCP videos covering the new beta give you an idea of who would be a good choice in the content?

Also, you don't know that "none of the beta contributors will give out best choices". Hell, if you ask one of them, they'd probably be more than happy to tell you.

Do you really know the difference between Act 7 Beta and ccp videos about new champs?
Not sure you get the point, sry.

Not sure why you think the CCP is only for new champs...

Not sure you get the point either. Sorry sweetheart.

Dude i am asking about the fairness of contribution and you are talking about the advantage other can take from ccp videos.

Now tell me who has more advantage.

The creator and tester of new content who is only publishing a small amount of the test
or
the viewer who is watching a few vids?

That is the point "sweatheart"

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Notsavage19

HI_guys said:

Notsavage19 said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

no one of the beta contributors will give out the best choice he figured out after multiple runs.

the beta act 7 program and ccp is not the same btw.

I understand that, but wouldn't viewing multiple CCP videos covering the new beta give you an idea of who would be a good choice in the content?

Also, you don't know that "none of the beta contributors will give out best choices". Hell, if you ask one of them, they'd probably be more than happy to tell you.

Actually playing the fight and practicing is way different than just reading up.

And reading up is different from watching people play...which you can do...

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GroundedWisdom

Isn't the Legends Run measured from start to finish? Whether you do it having seen it already, or you learn up on it before you jump in, it's all the same thing.

DarkKnightOfMcoc

will-o-wisp said:

So it's better not to have any beta? Then how will someone give feedback about it?

two options.

a) not allow to contribute on the runs
b) create a seperate pool to at least give a few more guys the chance to get the title like 100 + x beta testers like they did with the exploit of the boosts in the act 6 legend runs where a boost worked op.

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Notsavage19

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

Notsavage19 said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

Notsavage19 said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

no one of the beta contributors will give out the best choice he figured out after multiple runs.

the beta act 7 program and ccp is not the same btw.

I understand that, but wouldn't viewing multiple CCP videos covering the new beta give you an idea of who would be a good choice in the content?

Also, you don't know that "none of the beta contributors will give out best choices". Hell, if you ask one of them, they'd probably be more than happy to tell you.

Do you really know the difference between Act 7 Beta and ccp videos about new champs?
Not sure you get the point, sry.

Not sure why you think the CCP is only for new champs...

Not sure you get the point either. Sorry sweetheart.

Dude i am asking about the fairness of contribution and you are talking about the advantage other can take from ccp videos.

Now tell me who has more advantage.

The creator and tester of new content who is only publishing a small amount of the test
or
the viewer who is watching a few vids?

That is the point "sweatheart"

1) You have the opportunity to view the matchups and nodes and thus prepare
2) There is no advantage if things are changed

GroundedWisdom

HI_guys said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Isn't the Legends Run measured from start to finish? Whether you do it having seen it already, or you learn up on it before you jump in, it's all the same thing.

It's total time of every individual fight

Right. So it doesn't matter if someone was in the Beta or not.

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DarkKnightOfMcoc

Notsavage19 said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

Notsavage19 said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

Notsavage19 said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

no one of the beta contributors will give out the best choice he figured out after multiple runs.

the beta act 7 program and ccp is not the same btw.

I understand that, but wouldn't viewing multiple CCP videos covering the new beta give you an idea of who would be a good choice in the content?

Also, you don't know that "none of the beta contributors will give out best choices". Hell, if you ask one of them, they'd probably be more than happy to tell you.

Do you really know the difference between Act 7 Beta and ccp videos about new champs?
Not sure you get the point, sry.

Not sure why you think the CCP is only for new champs...

Not sure you get the point either. Sorry sweetheart.

Dude i am asking about the fairness of contribution and you are talking about the advantage other can take from ccp videos.

Now tell me who has more advantage.

The creator and tester of new content who is only publishing a small amount of the test
or
the viewer who is watching a few vids?

That is the point "sweatheart"

1) You have the opportunity to view the matchups and nodes and thus prepare
2) There is no advantage if things are changed

They change maybe 10% maybe 20%, what about the 80%? Why are you so hard on the possible change? you think they change 90% of it? lol

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DarkKnightOfMcoc

Notsavage19 said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

Notsavage19 said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

Notsavage19 said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

no one of the beta contributors will give out the best choice he figured out after multiple runs.

the beta act 7 program and ccp is not the same btw.

I understand that, but wouldn't viewing multiple CCP videos covering the new beta give you an idea of who would be a good choice in the content?

Also, you don't know that "none of the beta contributors will give out best choices". Hell, if you ask one of them, they'd probably be more than happy to tell you.

Do you really know the difference between Act 7 Beta and ccp videos about new champs?
Not sure you get the point, sry.

Not sure why you think the CCP is only for new champs...

Not sure you get the point either. Sorry sweetheart.

Dude i am asking about the fairness of contribution and you are talking about the advantage other can take from ccp videos.

Now tell me who has more advantage.

The creator and tester of new content who is only publishing a small amount of the test
or
the viewer who is watching a few vids?

That is the point "sweatheart"

1) You have the opportunity to view the matchups and nodes and thus prepare
2) There is no advantage if things are changed

And btw nothing can replace the own practice on a fight. you can read the nodes and figure out counters even without the beta videos. the point is the practice aspect

Worknprogress

HI_guys said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

will-o-wisp said:

So it's better not to have any beta? Then how will someone give feedback about it?

two options.

a) not allow to contribute on the runs
b) create a seperate pool to at least give a few more guys the chance to get the title like 100 + x beta testers like they did with the exploit of the boosts in the act 6 legend runs where a boost worked op.

Im sure there will be lot sig people not even thinking if legend runs. Maybe put a clause that if you participate in beta you won't get to do legend runs?

Great way to get people you actually want feedback from to never do any betas.

I've been in quite a few betas and never have done a legends run. I'd have done zero betas though if I knew the chance to do one if I decided to wasn't there.

GroundedWisdom

HI_guys said:

GroundedWisdom said:

HI_guys said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Isn't the Legends Run measured from start to finish? Whether you do it having seen it already, or you learn up on it before you jump in, it's all the same thing.

It's total time of every individual fight

Right. So it doesn't matter if someone was in the Beta or not.

It does because you can practice difficult fights and do it in less time in the actual run. Which this enot invited cannot do

If they leave it as-is, and make no changes. You can also talk to others and find out what works the fastest.

DarkKnightOfMcoc

GroundedWisdom said:

HI_guys said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Isn't the Legends Run measured from start to finish? Whether you do it having seen it already, or you learn up on it before you jump in, it's all the same thing.

It's total time of every individual fight

Right. So it doesn't matter if someone was in the Beta or not.

How does i t not matter, if someone tests 20 champs against one opponent and a non beta tester has only ONE chance to get the right counter?
interesting

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GroundedWisdom

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

GroundedWisdom said:

HI_guys said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Isn't the Legends Run measured from start to finish? Whether you do it having seen it already, or you learn up on it before you jump in, it's all the same thing.

It's total time of every individual fight

Right. So it doesn't matter if someone was in the Beta or not.

How does i t not matter, if someone tests 20 champs against one opponent and a non beta tester has only ONE chance to get the right counter?
interesting

You mean people don't talk to others before doing it? Hmm....

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GroundedWisdom

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DarkKnightOfMcoc said:

GroundedWisdom said:

HI_guys said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Isn't the Legends Run measured from start to finish? Whether you do it having seen it already, or you learn up on it before you jump in, it's all the same thing.

It's total time of every individual fight

Right. So it doesn't matter if someone was in the Beta or not.

How does i t not matter, if someone tests 20 champs against one opponent and a non beta tester has only ONE chance to get the right counter?
interesting

You mean people don't talk to others before doing it? Hmm....

What does the word "practice" say to you?
How is it in real life with you?
At work or anywhere else?
You solve all problems by hearing and watching and dont have the need of practice for advantage?

Well congrats to you, you are great than

What's the point of practice?
To find out what is the most effective.

Sarvanga1_

I think they should make a separate bracket for beta testers in legends runs.

DarkKnightOfMcoc

Sarvanga1_ said:

I think they should make a separate bracket for beta testers in legends runs.

two options.

a) not allow to contribute on the runs
b) create a seperate pool to at least give a few more guys the chance to get the title like 100 + x beta testers like they did with the exploit of the boosts in the act 6 legend runs where a boost worked op.


that was my answer to someone a few post above.