Who's a good choice to R4 or R5 in act 6?

EtherionGod

I'm currently in 6.2.4, and I was wondering which of these 3 would be most helpful for this chapter and beyond. I have a science awakening gem which makes me lean more towards torch and thing, but I need input from others. Each champ listed is at R1 so I will put time into ranking them up. Thanks in advance I really appreciate the input of others! (I meant to put Human Torch instead of Mr. Fantastic, I'm sorry)

EtherionGod

I accidentally put Mr. Fantastic instead of Human torch

Will3808

Mr. Fantastic (Unduped)

Torch or cull. I prefer torch but cull is really good too.

BabyMiike

Thing (Unduped)

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TitoBandito187

Torch is a beast! Mystic slayer, regen reversal and power gain control. Prefight slays any and everyone. Mojo problems... not anymore, so long Dormammu, Tigra, Mordo, Magik, Sinister and green Goblin on aggressive regen node. He is leaps and bounds above your other options for general purpose and niche fights.

Domino would be my 2nd choice for raw damage, assuming you have the rhulk and massacre synergies, but beyond pure damage (and mostly against those who can bleed), she seems to be on AW defense more these days.

Cull... Unless he's awakened and high sig, isn't doing too much special and there are other raw damage or armor break champs.... Magneto will take any of his fights way better, or medusa or corvus. Again, he's not bad, but invest your resources where it will pay off the most.

I can't say anything about Mr F. He's got some nice synergies and unique tools, but nothing about him ever made me think about taking him up over someone else for general questing or a specific scenario.

Do whatever you feel is going to benefit you the most though!

EtherionGod

TitoBandito187 said:

Torch is a beast! Mystic slayer, regen reversal and power gain control. Prefight slays any and everyone. Mojo problems... not anymore, so long Dormammu, Tigra, Mordo, Magik, Sinister and green Goblin on aggressive regen node. He is leaps and bounds above your other options for general purpose and niche fights.

Domino would be my 2nd choice for raw damage, assuming you have the rhulk and massacre synergies, but beyond pure damage (and mostly against those who can bleed), she seems to be on AW defense more these days.

Cull... Unless he's awakened and high sig, isn't doing too much special and there are other raw damage or armor break champs.... Magneto will take any of his fights way better, or medusa or corvus. Again, he's not bad, but invest your resources where it will pay off the most.

I can't say anything about Mr F. He's got some nice synergies and unique tools, but nothing about him ever made me think about taking him up over someone else for general questing or a specific scenario.

Do whatever you feel is going to benefit you the most though!

Thanks alot! that was super insightful!

TitoBandito187

Monke said:

TitoBandito187 said:

Torch is a beast! Mystic slayer, regen reversal and power gain control. Prefight slays any and everyone. Mojo problems... not anymore, so long Dormammu, Tigra, Mordo, Magik, Sinister and green Goblin on aggressive regen node. He is leaps and bounds above your other options for general purpose and niche fights.

Domino would be my 2nd choice for raw damage, assuming you have the rhulk and massacre synergies, but beyond pure damage (and mostly against those who can bleed), she seems to be on AW defense more these days.

Cull... Unless he's awakened and high sig, isn't doing too much special and there are other raw damage or armor break champs.... Magneto will take any of his fights way better, or medusa or corvus. Again, he's not bad, but invest your resources where it will pay off the most.

I can't say anything about Mr F. He's got some nice synergies and unique tools, but nothing about him ever made me think about taking him up over someone else for general questing or a specific scenario.

Do whatever you feel is going to benefit you the most though!

Domino over Cull? Cul has armor breaks, insane damage, passive damage (rout), armor breaks, can counter auto block insanely well, parry projectiles, and can counter evade when ramped up, but it's nothing special. He's one of the only champs who can counter that V2 adaptoid insanely well. Works for buffed up, and diss track too. great for V2 in some of those lanes. He needs high sig tho I will give you that

Domino is just raw damage, and well.. not much else that's fully reliable. Except for maybe a limber counter. Great bleed damage and incinerate damage, but still, only raw damage

Ultimately, it's a personal choice.

Her raw damage is pretty awesome. My Domino is R4 and won't likely see R5 either though because she doesn't have utility. She can absolutely blast content that can bleed or incinerated.

Cull is good too, but his block proficiency is meh and the ramp up is kind of blah. He's good, no doubt, but my 6* won't see R2 either because (for me) he doesn't do more than other armor break cosmics, especially until he's ramped up. Definitely a beast when ramped up though, but he also has no immunities, so it's pretty even on the raw damage with domino, but depends on the specific match up

I do have 5* r5 torch and a 6* r2 torch who will be my first science R3 when the t5cc comes in. To me, Torch is like Doom, and you can't have too many. With the incinerate paths in book 2, he has even more use than before and he's still awesome for cav monthly eq science paths.

Vendemiaire

Among those, Mr. Fantastic... I man Torch will help you the most in Act 6.

Domino is only good if you do not have no raw damage champion but as others have said, her utility is almost nil and you have to add Rulk and Masacre to see her full potential. Luckily for you, damage has been nerfed in Act 6 so parry-heavy-ing your way through content is now better, but not recommended. Cull is good, he has some utilities. Thing has a lot utility but he lacks the damage unless you're using his full team synergy which isn't really practical. I don't recommend it.

TitoBandito187

Monke said:

TitoBandito187 said:

Monke said:

TitoBandito187 said:

Torch is a beast! Mystic slayer, regen reversal and power gain control. Prefight slays any and everyone. Mojo problems... not anymore, so long Dormammu, Tigra, Mordo, Magik, Sinister and green Goblin on aggressive regen node. He is leaps and bounds above your other options for general purpose and niche fights.

Domino would be my 2nd choice for raw damage, assuming you have the rhulk and massacre synergies, but beyond pure damage (and mostly against those who can bleed), she seems to be on AW defense more these days.

Cull... Unless he's awakened and high sig, isn't doing too much special and there are other raw damage or armor break champs.... Magneto will take any of his fights way better, or medusa or corvus. Again, he's not bad, but invest your resources where it will pay off the most.

I can't say anything about Mr F. He's got some nice synergies and unique tools, but nothing about him ever made me think about taking him up over someone else for general questing or a specific scenario.

Do whatever you feel is going to benefit you the most though!

Domino over Cull? Cul has armor breaks, insane damage, passive damage (rout), armor breaks, can counter auto block insanely well, parry projectiles, and can counter evade when ramped up, but it's nothing special. He's one of the only champs who can counter that V2 adaptoid insanely well. Works for buffed up, and diss track too. great for V2 in some of those lanes. He needs high sig tho I will give you that

Domino is just raw damage, and well.. not much else that's fully reliable. Except for maybe a limber counter. Great bleed damage and incinerate damage, but still, only raw damage

Ultimately, it's a personal choice.

Her raw damage is pretty awesome. My Domino is R4 and won't likely see R5 either though because she doesn't have utility. She can absolutely blast content that can bleed or incinerated.

Cull is good too, but his block proficiency is meh and the ramp up is kind of blah. He's good, no doubt, but my 6* won't see R2 either because (for me) he doesn't do more than other armor break cosmics, especially until he's ramped up. Definitely a beast when ramped up though, but he also has no immunities, so it's pretty even on the raw damage with domino, but depends on the specific match up

I do have 5* r5 torch and a 6* r2 torch who will be my first science R3 when the t5cc comes in. To me, Torch is like Doom, and you can't have too many. With the incinerate paths in book 2, he has even more use than before and he's still awesome for cav monthly eq science paths.

That's understandable. I weirdly enjoy him Kinda like archangel. The sp3 damage is sweet, and batting up the opponent is a blast. Big yellow and red numbers!

As for his block prof, another reason why Guardian is insanely OP and a top 3 tech champ

I just incited a war didn't I

Naw! That's why I enjoy the forum. There are rarely black and white answers that everyone is going to agree on (like Guardian making cull better - so true 💯) so it's fun to lob ideas back and forth.

If we didn't have to budget resources so much, my Cull would go up too, but gotta work around the RNG of our rosters, resources and content being targeted at any specific time.

I finally pulled Venom about 3 weeks ago as a 6*and didn't hesitate to R2 him, even though Cull has been there, duped, for several months. Venom made it so easy to finish exploring V6 and now I've gone back and almost explored V2 as well.

Vendemiaire

Monke said:

TitoBandito187 said:

Monke said:

TitoBandito187 said:

Monke said:

TitoBandito187 said:

Torch is a beast! Mystic slayer, regen reversal and power gain control. Prefight slays any and everyone. Mojo problems... not anymore, so long Dormammu, Tigra, Mordo, Magik, Sinister and green Goblin on aggressive regen node. He is leaps and bounds above your other options for general purpose and niche fights.

Domino would be my 2nd choice for raw damage, assuming you have the rhulk and massacre synergies, but beyond pure damage (and mostly against those who can bleed), she seems to be on AW defense more these days.

Cull... Unless he's awakened and high sig, isn't doing too much special and there are other raw damage or armor break champs.... Magneto will take any of his fights way better, or medusa or corvus. Again, he's not bad, but invest your resources where it will pay off the most.

I can't say anything about Mr F. He's got some nice synergies and unique tools, but nothing about him ever made me think about taking him up over someone else for general questing or a specific scenario.

Do whatever you feel is going to benefit you the most though!

Domino over Cull? Cul has armor breaks, insane damage, passive damage (rout), armor breaks, can counter auto block insanely well, parry projectiles, and can counter evade when ramped up, but it's nothing special. He's one of the only champs who can counter that V2 adaptoid insanely well. Works for buffed up, and diss track too. great for V2 in some of those lanes. He needs high sig tho I will give you that

Domino is just raw damage, and well.. not much else that's fully reliable. Except for maybe a limber counter. Great bleed damage and incinerate damage, but still, only raw damage

Ultimately, it's a personal choice.

Her raw damage is pretty awesome. My Domino is R4 and won't likely see R5 either though because she doesn't have utility. She can absolutely blast content that can bleed or incinerated.

Cull is good too, but his block proficiency is meh and the ramp up is kind of blah. He's good, no doubt, but my 6* won't see R2 either because (for me) he doesn't do more than other armor break cosmics, especially until he's ramped up. Definitely a beast when ramped up though, but he also has no immunities, so it's pretty even on the raw damage with domino, but depends on the specific match up

I do have 5* r5 torch and a 6* r2 torch who will be my first science R3 when the t5cc comes in. To me, Torch is like Doom, and you can't have too many. With the incinerate paths in book 2, he has even more use than before and he's still awesome for cav monthly eq science paths.

That's understandable. I weirdly enjoy him Kinda like archangel. The sp3 damage is sweet, and batting up the opponent is a blast. Big yellow and red numbers!

As for his block prof, another reason why Guardian is insanely OP and a top 3 tech champ

I just incited a war didn't I

Naw! That's why I enjoy the forum. There are rarely black and white answers that everyone is going to agree on (like Guardian making cull better - so true 💯) so it's fun to lob ideas back and forth.

If we didn't have to budget resources so much, my Cull would go up too, but gotta work around the RNG of our rosters, resources and content being targeted at any specific time.

I finally pulled Venom about 3 weeks ago as a 6*and didn't hesitate to R2 him, even though Cull has been there, duped, for several months. Venom made it so easy to finish exploring V6 and now I've gone back and almost explored V2 as well.

I took a break from the game cuz of the lag issues. When I played, Ibom doom and venom have been mvp's. If ibom wasn't eh against poison immunes, he'd probs be my MVP for the entire thing. I've gotten the first chapter explored, so I'm planning to work on the second in maybe next week. tips?

For poison Immunes, you can just cycle through SP3s, it's slower but still is effective if you have willpower. You might need a Sasquatch for that Hyperion in the improved power gain path. Dormammu and Doc Ock can be an option. Do you Quake?

TitoBandito187

Venom, doom and magneto will do most of V6 on their own. I used 4* venom for the heavy cheese on the first clear but the extra health and damage from a higher rank will save potions. If you don't have him, then the doom synergy with Mr. fantastic can be handy... I feel like Doom heavy spam pushes him out of reach at times though so you can't go full cheese. Also, and I don't know how, but G2099 was somehow able to hit venom during his heavy cheese and happened twice to me.

I suck with ghost without any synergies, but I'm sure she's the main mvp if you have her and can use her properly.

Omega was key for the poison matchups for me (DDHK chapter) as I don't have a sentinel. None of the nodes were too bad with the right counter and would recommend waiting until you have one of you don't so you don't have to power through.

Vendemiaire

Ohhh thought it was V2. Lol.

EtherionGod

TitoBandito187 said:

Monke said:

TitoBandito187 said:

Torch is a beast! Mystic slayer, regen reversal and power gain control. Prefight slays any and everyone. Mojo problems... not anymore, so long Dormammu, Tigra, Mordo, Magik, Sinister and green Goblin on aggressive regen node. He is leaps and bounds above your other options for general purpose and niche fights.

Domino would be my 2nd choice for raw damage, assuming you have the rhulk and massacre synergies, but beyond pure damage (and mostly against those who can bleed), she seems to be on AW defense more these days.

Cull... Unless he's awakened and high sig, isn't doing too much special and there are other raw damage or armor break champs.... Magneto will take any of his fights way better, or medusa or corvus. Again, he's not bad, but invest your resources where it will pay off the most.

I can't say anything about Mr F. He's got some nice synergies and unique tools, but nothing about him ever made me think about taking him up over someone else for general questing or a specific scenario.

Do whatever you feel is going to benefit you the most though!

Domino over Cull? Cul has armor breaks, insane damage, passive damage (rout), armor breaks, can counter auto block insanely well, parry projectiles, and can counter evade when ramped up, but it's nothing special. He's one of the only champs who can counter that V2 adaptoid insanely well. Works for buffed up, and diss track too. great for V2 in some of those lanes. He needs high sig tho I will give you that

Domino is just raw damage, and well.. not much else that's fully reliable. Except for maybe a limber counter. Great bleed damage and incinerate damage, but still, only raw damage

Ultimately, it's a personal choice.

Her raw damage is pretty awesome. My Domino is R4 and won't likely see R5 either though because she doesn't have utility. She can absolutely blast content that can bleed or incinerated.

Cull is good too, but his block proficiency is meh and the ramp up is kind of blah. He's good, no doubt, but my 6* won't see R2 either because (for me) he doesn't do more than other armor break cosmics, especially until he's ramped up. Definitely a beast when ramped up though, but he also has no immunities, so it's pretty even on the raw damage with domino, but depends on the specific match up

I do have 5* r5 torch and a 6* r2 torch who will be my first science R3 when the t5cc comes in. To me, Torch is like Doom, and you can't have too many. With the incinerate paths in book 2, he has even more use than before and he's still awesome for cav monthly eq science paths.

The fact that Book 2 has Incinerate paths definitely makes me lean towards him now. What about Thing? Is he useful anywhere else in act 6 or book 2?

TitoBandito187

EtherionGod said:

TitoBandito187 said:

Monke said:

TitoBandito187 said:

Torch is a beast! Mystic slayer, regen reversal and power gain control. Prefight slays any and everyone. Mojo problems... not anymore, so long Dormammu, Tigra, Mordo, Magik, Sinister and green Goblin on aggressive regen node. He is leaps and bounds above your other options for general purpose and niche fights.

Domino would be my 2nd choice for raw damage, assuming you have the rhulk and massacre synergies, but beyond pure damage (and mostly against those who can bleed), she seems to be on AW defense more these days.

Cull... Unless he's awakened and high sig, isn't doing too much special and there are other raw damage or armor break champs.... Magneto will take any of his fights way better, or medusa or corvus. Again, he's not bad, but invest your resources where it will pay off the most.

I can't say anything about Mr F. He's got some nice synergies and unique tools, but nothing about him ever made me think about taking him up over someone else for general questing or a specific scenario.

Do whatever you feel is going to benefit you the most though!

Domino over Cull? Cul has armor breaks, insane damage, passive damage (rout), armor breaks, can counter auto block insanely well, parry projectiles, and can counter evade when ramped up, but it's nothing special. He's one of the only champs who can counter that V2 adaptoid insanely well. Works for buffed up, and diss track too. great for V2 in some of those lanes. He needs high sig tho I will give you that

Domino is just raw damage, and well.. not much else that's fully reliable. Except for maybe a limber counter. Great bleed damage and incinerate damage, but still, only raw damage

Ultimately, it's a personal choice.

Her raw damage is pretty awesome. My Domino is R4 and won't likely see R5 either though because she doesn't have utility. She can absolutely blast content that can bleed or incinerated.

Cull is good too, but his block proficiency is meh and the ramp up is kind of blah. He's good, no doubt, but my 6* won't see R2 either because (for me) he doesn't do more than other armor break cosmics, especially until he's ramped up. Definitely a beast when ramped up though, but he also has no immunities, so it's pretty even on the raw damage with domino, but depends on the specific match up

I do have 5* r5 torch and a 6* r2 torch who will be my first science R3 when the t5cc comes in. To me, Torch is like Doom, and you can't have too many. With the incinerate paths in book 2, he has even more use than before and he's still awesome for cav monthly eq science paths.

The fact that Book 2 has Incinerate paths definitely makes me lean towards him now. What about Thing? Is he useful anywhere else in act 6 or book 2?

I don't know. I have a 6* R1 duped thing and was super happy to get him in July, but he's been sitting and honestly, I don't use him. I've seen his crazy damage, but can't justify the synergy slots or risky gameplay to get that damage in most scenarios. He can be a nice counter to man-thing (thing is debuff immune) if you run willpower which is unique. I just think that to get his full benefit, you have to give up too many synergy slots and play with low health which can be risky. I'm no expert with him though. Lagacy has some cool gameplay, but just don't see it being a regular setup.

EtherionGod

TitoBandito187 said:

EtherionGod said:

TitoBandito187 said:

Monke said:

TitoBandito187 said:

Torch is a beast! Mystic slayer, regen reversal and power gain control. Prefight slays any and everyone. Mojo problems... not anymore, so long Dormammu, Tigra, Mordo, Magik, Sinister and green Goblin on aggressive regen node. He is leaps and bounds above your other options for general purpose and niche fights.

Domino would be my 2nd choice for raw damage, assuming you have the rhulk and massacre synergies, but beyond pure damage (and mostly against those who can bleed), she seems to be on AW defense more these days.

Cull... Unless he's awakened and high sig, isn't doing too much special and there are other raw damage or armor break champs.... Magneto will take any of his fights way better, or medusa or corvus. Again, he's not bad, but invest your resources where it will pay off the most.

I can't say anything about Mr F. He's got some nice synergies and unique tools, but nothing about him ever made me think about taking him up over someone else for general questing or a specific scenario.

Do whatever you feel is going to benefit you the most though!

Domino over Cull? Cul has armor breaks, insane damage, passive damage (rout), armor breaks, can counter auto block insanely well, parry projectiles, and can counter evade when ramped up, but it's nothing special. He's one of the only champs who can counter that V2 adaptoid insanely well. Works for buffed up, and diss track too. great for V2 in some of those lanes. He needs high sig tho I will give you that

Domino is just raw damage, and well.. not much else that's fully reliable. Except for maybe a limber counter. Great bleed damage and incinerate damage, but still, only raw damage

Ultimately, it's a personal choice.

Her raw damage is pretty awesome. My Domino is R4 and won't likely see R5 either though because she doesn't have utility. She can absolutely blast content that can bleed or incinerated.

Cull is good too, but his block proficiency is meh and the ramp up is kind of blah. He's good, no doubt, but my 6* won't see R2 either because (for me) he doesn't do more than other armor break cosmics, especially until he's ramped up. Definitely a beast when ramped up though, but he also has no immunities, so it's pretty even on the raw damage with domino, but depends on the specific match up

I do have 5* r5 torch and a 6* r2 torch who will be my first science R3 when the t5cc comes in. To me, Torch is like Doom, and you can't have too many. With the incinerate paths in book 2, he has even more use than before and he's still awesome for cav monthly eq science paths.

The fact that Book 2 has Incinerate paths definitely makes me lean towards him now. What about Thing? Is he useful anywhere else in act 6 or book 2?

I don't know. I have a 6* R1 duped thing and was super happy to get him in July, but he's been sitting and honestly, I don't use him. I've seen his crazy damage, but can't justify the synergy slots or risky gameplay to get that damage in most scenarios. He can be a nice counter to man-thing (thing is debuff immune) if you run willpower which is unique. I just think that to get his full benefit, you have to give up too many synergy slots and play with low health which can be risky. I'm no expert with him though. Lagacy has some cool gameplay, but just don't see it being a regular setup.

okay, so would he just be good to put on aw def then? I was thinking him, mr. fantastic, and invisible woman, might be good since I don't have too many solid defenders

TitoBandito187

Yeah, still a solid AW defender, but I wouldn't worry about AW defenders as a priority unless you're in a very high ranked alliance AND you've already got several attackers to cover EQ, AQ and AW attack with a couple of different rotations for counters.

Make sure your attackers are in good shape and then prioritize defenders for AW. You're gonna get way better rewards the more you can do in monthly events on a regular basis than AW... And AW rewards aren't that great, especially if your gold or lower.

EtherionGod

TitoBandito187 said:

Yeah, still a solid AW defender, but I wouldn't worry about AW defenders as a priority unless you're in a very high ranked alliance AND you've already got several attackers to cover EQ, AQ and AW attack with a couple of different rotations for counters.

Make sure your attackers are in good shape and then prioritize defenders for AW. You're gonna get way better rewards the more you can do in monthly events on a regular basis than AW... And AW rewards aren't that great, especially if your gold or lower.

awesome thanks so much! last question, does torch need that awakening gem to be amazing?

Sarvanga1_

EtherionGod said:

TitoBandito187 said:

Yeah, still a solid AW defender, but I wouldn't worry about AW defenders as a priority unless you're in a very high ranked alliance AND you've already got several attackers to cover EQ, AQ and AW attack with a couple of different rotations for counters.

Make sure your attackers are in good shape and then prioritize defenders for AW. You're gonna get way better rewards the more you can do in monthly events on a regular basis than AW... And AW rewards aren't that great, especially if your gold or lower.

awesome thanks so much! last question, does torch need that awakening gem to be amazing?

No torch doesn't Need awakening

LabrumIs

Definitely torch

LabrumIs

Monke said:

EtherionGod said:

TitoBandito187 said:

Yeah, still a solid AW defender, but I wouldn't worry about AW defenders as a priority unless you're in a very high ranked alliance AND you've already got several attackers to cover EQ, AQ and AW attack with a couple of different rotations for counters.

Make sure your attackers are in good shape and then prioritize defenders for AW. You're gonna get way better rewards the more you can do in monthly events on a regular basis than AW... And AW rewards aren't that great, especially if your gold or lower.

awesome thanks so much! last question, does torch need that awakening gem to be amazing?

@LabrumIs @KDSuperFlash10

Torch does