Who would be the safest choice in another Hood like situation?

ShadowstrikeShadowstrike Posts: 1,392 ★★★★
edited March 3 in General Discussion
With the current controversy regarding the Hood, I was thinking of which Champs could have their kits completely changed since they are either so basic or unusable in this current meta, that ANYTHING would be a step up compared to what is currently available.

We don't need to include any potential ideas or suggestions, I just wanted to pick all of your brains to see who you think would fit that criteria.

For me starting off:
Joe Fix-it
Karnak
Beast
Rhino
Ronan
Both Cyclops
OG Ms. Marvel &
Captain Marvel classic
Jane Foster
Diablo
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Comments

  • KDSuperFlash10KDSuperFlash10 Posts: 5,869 ★★★★★
    Groot
  • Bossmode12Bossmode12 Posts: 57
    Antman!
  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 6,023 ★★★★★
    I am doubtful that these 3 champs will get a rework in a long long time.

    🦏, Cyclops and The Accuser.

    But then, there is no guarantee.
  • CrcrcrcCrcrcrc Posts: 7,539 ★★★★★
    EVERYONE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IHULK RIGHT NOW.

    I swear I’ll quit the game if they “buff” him. Everyone needs to act like he’s a top 2 science to protect him or something.
  • JadedJaded Posts: 4,605 ★★★★★
    Crcrcrc said:

    EVERYONE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IHULK RIGHT NOW.

    I swear I’ll quit the game if they “buff” him. Everyone needs to act like he’s a top 2 science to protect him or something.

    ihulk is approaching god tier levels with all of this acknowledgment.
  • TrashyPandaTrashyPanda Posts: 1,574 ★★★★★
    Ant-Man.

    I'm sure he'll be a lot less annoying to fight when they take away his glancing.
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,260 ★★★★★
    Science:
    Cap America classic
    Mr.F
    Invisible Woman
    Hulk
    Any man
    Joe fix it
    Miles morales
    Electro
    Spider-Man

    Skill:
    Agent venom
    Hawkeye
    Crossbones
    Black panther
    Black panther CW
    BWDO
    Elektra
    Karnak
    Moon knight
    Taskmaster

    Mutant:
    Bishop
    Cable
    Psylocke
    Cyclops blue
    Cyclops red
    DPX
    Night crawler
    Beast of

    Tech:

    War machine
    Vulture
    Howard the duck
    Green goblin
    Red skull
    Ironman
    Rocket racoon
    Ultron

    Cosmic :
    Air walker
    Captain marvel
    Khamla Khan
    Groot
    Superior Ironman
    Hela
    Venom pool

    Mystic :
    Iron fist
    Guilly
    Diablo
    Dorm
    Loki
    Juggs
    Lady Thor
    Strange
    Mephistopheles
  • JadedJaded Posts: 4,605 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Science:
    Cap America classic
    Mr.F
    Invisible Woman
    Hulk
    Any man
    Joe fix it
    Miles morales
    Electro
    Spider-Man

    Skill:
    Agent venom
    Hawkeye
    Crossbones
    Black panther
    Black panther CW
    BWDO
    Elektra
    Karnak
    Moon knight
    Taskmaster

    Mutant:
    Bishop
    Cable
    Psylocke
    Cyclops blue
    Cyclops red
    DPX
    Night crawler
    Beast of

    Tech:

    War machine
    Vulture
    Howard the duck
    Green goblin
    Red skull
    Ironman
    Rocket racoon
    Ultron

    Cosmic :
    Air walker
    Captain marvel
    Khamla Khan
    Groot
    Superior Ironman
    Hela
    Venom pool

    Mystic :
    Iron fist
    Guilly
    Diablo
    Dorm
    Loki
    Juggs
    Lady Thor
    Strange
    Mephistopheles

    You think they are all useless or need an entire rework? I know I’m crazy, but this is next level. You sir, need to stop playing the game if this is how you feel.
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,260 ★★★★★
    Jaded said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Science:
    Cap America classic
    Mr.F
    Invisible Woman
    Hulk
    Any man
    Joe fix it
    Miles morales
    Electro
    Spider-Man

    Skill:
    Agent venom
    Hawkeye
    Crossbones
    Black panther
    Black panther CW
    BWDO
    Elektra
    Karnak
    Moon knight
    Taskmaster

    Mutant:
    Bishop
    Cable
    Psylocke
    Cyclops blue
    Cyclops red
    DPX
    Night crawler
    Beast of

    Tech:

    War machine
    Vulture
    Howard the duck
    Green goblin
    Red skull
    Ironman
    Rocket racoon
    Ultron

    Cosmic :
    Air walker
    Captain marvel
    Khamla Khan
    Groot
    Superior Ironman
    Hela
    Venom pool

    Mystic :
    Iron fist
    Guilly
    Diablo
    Dorm
    Loki
    Juggs
    Lady Thor
    Strange
    Mephistopheles

    You think they are all useless or need an entire rework? I know I’m crazy, but this is next level. You sir, need to stop playing the game if this is how you feel.
    Do you have any of these champs 5/65 ? Would you R3 any of these champs? Are these champs not safe to rework? I’m just answering OPs thread . Am I not entitled to my own opinion?

    I have
    Mr. F R2 6*
    Invisible Woman R3 6*
    Cable R2 6*
  • JadedJaded Posts: 4,605 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Jaded said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Science:
    Cap America classic
    Mr.F
    Invisible Woman
    Hulk
    Any man
    Joe fix it
    Miles morales
    Electro
    Spider-Man

    Skill:
    Agent venom
    Hawkeye
    Crossbones
    Black panther
    Black panther CW
    BWDO
    Elektra
    Karnak
    Moon knight
    Taskmaster

    Mutant:
    Bishop
    Cable
    Psylocke
    Cyclops blue
    Cyclops red
    DPX
    Night crawler
    Beast of

    Tech:

    War machine
    Vulture
    Howard the duck
    Green goblin
    Red skull
    Ironman
    Rocket racoon
    Ultron

    Cosmic :
    Air walker
    Captain marvel
    Khamla Khan
    Groot
    Superior Ironman
    Hela
    Venom pool

    Mystic :
    Iron fist
    Guilly
    Diablo
    Dorm
    Loki
    Juggs
    Lady Thor
    Strange
    Mephistopheles

    You think they are all useless or need an entire rework? I know I’m crazy, but this is next level. You sir, need to stop playing the game if this is how you feel.
    Do you have any of these champs 5/65 ? Would you R3 any of these champs? Are these champs not safe to rework? I’m just answering OPs thread . Am I not entitled to my own opinion?

    I have
    Mr. F R2 6*
    Invisible Woman R3 6*
    Cable R2 6*
    You can have your opinion, I am not taking it away from you. My point, isn’t of which champions you named. But rather you feel the game needs that much of an overhaul. AND not every champ can be OP, the game would be boring.

    I have a lot of champions ranked up. At this point I would need to hire someone to keep track of their rank.
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,260 ★★★★★
    Jaded said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Jaded said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Science:
    Cap America classic
    Mr.F
    Invisible Woman
    Hulk
    Any man
    Joe fix it
    Miles morales
    Electro
    Spider-Man

    Skill:
    Agent venom
    Hawkeye
    Crossbones
    Black panther
    Black panther CW
    BWDO
    Elektra
    Karnak
    Moon knight
    Taskmaster

    Mutant:
    Bishop
    Cable
    Psylocke
    Cyclops blue
    Cyclops red
    DPX
    Night crawler
    Beast of

    Tech:

    War machine
    Vulture
    Howard the duck
    Green goblin
    Red skull
    Ironman
    Rocket racoon
    Ultron

    Cosmic :
    Air walker
    Captain marvel
    Khamla Khan
    Groot
    Superior Ironman
    Hela
    Venom pool

    Mystic :
    Iron fist
    Guilly
    Diablo
    Dorm
    Loki
    Juggs
    Lady Thor
    Strange
    Mephistopheles

    You think they are all useless or need an entire rework? I know I’m crazy, but this is next level. You sir, need to stop playing the game if this is how you feel.
    Do you have any of these champs 5/65 ? Would you R3 any of these champs? Are these champs not safe to rework? I’m just answering OPs thread . Am I not entitled to my own opinion?

    I have
    Mr. F R2 6*
    Invisible Woman R3 6*
    Cable R2 6*
    You can have your opinion, I am not taking it away from you. My point, isn’t of which champions you named. But rather you feel the game needs that much of an overhaul. AND not every champ can be OP, the game would be boring.

    I have a lot of champions ranked up. At this point I would need to hire someone to keep track of their rank.
    It’s not just me , Kabam is buffing 40-50 champs this year. As the pool gets larger , the need to have more champs at a decent level is important. Every champ doesn’t need to be a God tier; I ranked my any man and he is okay, better than what he was before , I use him when I can.
  • JadedJaded Posts: 4,605 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Jaded said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Jaded said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Science:
    Cap America classic
    Mr.F
    Invisible Woman
    Hulk
    Any man
    Joe fix it
    Miles morales
    Electro
    Spider-Man

    Skill:
    Agent venom
    Hawkeye
    Crossbones
    Black panther
    Black panther CW
    BWDO
    Elektra
    Karnak
    Moon knight
    Taskmaster

    Mutant:
    Bishop
    Cable
    Psylocke
    Cyclops blue
    Cyclops red
    DPX
    Night crawler
    Beast of

    Tech:

    War machine
    Vulture
    Howard the duck
    Green goblin
    Red skull
    Ironman
    Rocket racoon
    Ultron

    Cosmic :
    Air walker
    Captain marvel
    Khamla Khan
    Groot
    Superior Ironman
    Hela
    Venom pool

    Mystic :
    Iron fist
    Guilly
    Diablo
    Dorm
    Loki
    Juggs
    Lady Thor
    Strange
    Mephistopheles

    You think they are all useless or need an entire rework? I know I’m crazy, but this is next level. You sir, need to stop playing the game if this is how you feel.
    Do you have any of these champs 5/65 ? Would you R3 any of these champs? Are these champs not safe to rework? I’m just answering OPs thread . Am I not entitled to my own opinion?

    I have
    Mr. F R2 6*
    Invisible Woman R3 6*
    Cable R2 6*
    You can have your opinion, I am not taking it away from you. My point, isn’t of which champions you named. But rather you feel the game needs that much of an overhaul. AND not every champ can be OP, the game would be boring.

    I have a lot of champions ranked up. At this point I would need to hire someone to keep track of their rank.
    It’s not just me , Kabam is buffing 40-50 champs this year. As the pool gets larger , the need to have more champs at a decent level is important. Every champ doesn’t need to be a God tier; I ranked my any man and he is okay, better than what he was before , I use him when I can.
    Right, but not complete re-works. Which was the question posted by the OP. Not which champions need buffs. I apologize you didn’t understand the question. I’m sure he could have worded it differently.
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,260 ★★★★★
    Jaded said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Jaded said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Jaded said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Science:
    Cap America classic
    Mr.F
    Invisible Woman
    Hulk
    Any man
    Joe fix it
    Miles morales
    Electro
    Spider-Man

    Skill:
    Agent venom
    Hawkeye
    Crossbones
    Black panther
    Black panther CW
    BWDO
    Elektra
    Karnak
    Moon knight
    Taskmaster

    Mutant:
    Bishop
    Cable
    Psylocke
    Cyclops blue
    Cyclops red
    DPX
    Night crawler
    Beast of

    Tech:

    War machine
    Vulture
    Howard the duck
    Green goblin
    Red skull
    Ironman
    Rocket racoon
    Ultron

    Cosmic :
    Air walker
    Captain marvel
    Khamla Khan
    Groot
    Superior Ironman
    Hela
    Venom pool

    Mystic :
    Iron fist
    Guilly
    Diablo
    Dorm
    Loki
    Juggs
    Lady Thor
    Strange
    Mephistopheles

    You think they are all useless or need an entire rework? I know I’m crazy, but this is next level. You sir, need to stop playing the game if this is how you feel.
    Do you have any of these champs 5/65 ? Would you R3 any of these champs? Are these champs not safe to rework? I’m just answering OPs thread . Am I not entitled to my own opinion?

    I have
    Mr. F R2 6*
    Invisible Woman R3 6*
    Cable R2 6*
    You can have your opinion, I am not taking it away from you. My point, isn’t of which champions you named. But rather you feel the game needs that much of an overhaul. AND not every champ can be OP, the game would be boring.

    I have a lot of champions ranked up. At this point I would need to hire someone to keep track of their rank.
    It’s not just me , Kabam is buffing 40-50 champs this year. As the pool gets larger , the need to have more champs at a decent level is important. Every champ doesn’t need to be a God tier; I ranked my any man and he is okay, better than what he was before , I use him when I can.
    Right, but not complete re-works. Which was the question posted by the OP. Not which champions need buffs. I apologize you didn’t understand the question. I’m sure he could have worded it differently.
    No, not all re works. Just some kit changes most of them on this list probably need them. But yeah; maybe if he said moderate update , value , rework i could have left a couple Off.
  • CrcrcrcCrcrcrc Posts: 7,539 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    Texas_11 said:

    https://djindevstuff.github.io/crystals/fivestar/fiveStar.htm

    Went to this simulator here and opened 10 crystals. This is what I got. Luckily I got ghost and wasp who happen to be the upper echelon of Mcoc. But for someone trying to progress in the game , assuming ghost skills aren’t there. This is what I have to work with.




    This was my first 10. Easily enough to finish acts 1-5
    You got a good ultron counter.
    So that makes this not count? Seems kinda biased to me
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,260 ★★★★★
    Crcrcrc said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    Texas_11 said:

    https://djindevstuff.github.io/crystals/fivestar/fiveStar.htm

    Went to this simulator here and opened 10 crystals. This is what I got. Luckily I got ghost and wasp who happen to be the upper echelon of Mcoc. But for someone trying to progress in the game , assuming ghost skills aren’t there. This is what I have to work with.




    This was my first 10. Easily enough to finish acts 1-5
    You got a good ultron counter.
    So that makes this not count? Seems kinda biased to me
    What are you talking about? When I think of act 1-5 I think of the ultron boss. I just said you have a good counter to him.
  • The_Sentry06The_Sentry06 Posts: 7,556 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    Texas_11 said:

    https://djindevstuff.github.io/crystals/fivestar/fiveStar.htm

    Went to this simulator here and opened 10 crystals. This is what I got. Luckily I got ghost and wasp who happen to be the upper echelon of Mcoc. But for someone trying to progress in the game , assuming ghost skills aren’t there. This is what I have to work with.




    This was my first 10. Easily enough to finish acts 1-5
    You got a good ultron counter.
    So that makes this not count? Seems kinda biased to me
    What are you talking about? When I think of act 1-5 I think of the ultron boss. I just said you have a good counter to him.
    Ok.
  • CrcrcrcCrcrcrc Posts: 7,539 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    Texas_11 said:

    https://djindevstuff.github.io/crystals/fivestar/fiveStar.htm

    Went to this simulator here and opened 10 crystals. This is what I got. Luckily I got ghost and wasp who happen to be the upper echelon of Mcoc. But for someone trying to progress in the game , assuming ghost skills aren’t there. This is what I have to work with.




    This was my first 10. Easily enough to finish acts 1-5
    You got a good ultron counter.
    So that makes this not count? Seems kinda biased to me
    What are you talking about? When I think of act 1-5 I think of the ultron boss. I just said you have a good counter to him.
    So ultron counts for all content from act 1-5? So you’re negating your original point with this statement.
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,260 ★★★★★
    Crcrcrc said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    Texas_11 said:

    https://djindevstuff.github.io/crystals/fivestar/fiveStar.htm

    Went to this simulator here and opened 10 crystals. This is what I got. Luckily I got ghost and wasp who happen to be the upper echelon of Mcoc. But for someone trying to progress in the game , assuming ghost skills aren’t there. This is what I have to work with.




    This was my first 10. Easily enough to finish acts 1-5
    You got a good ultron counter.
    So that makes this not count? Seems kinda biased to me
    What are you talking about? When I think of act 1-5 I think of the ultron boss. I just said you have a good counter to him.
    So ultron counts for all content from act 1-5? So than you’re negating your original point with this statement.
    Sorry, I honestly am confused as to what conversation we are having fight now. “ you got a good ultron counter” means nothing other than you have a good counter for ultron . I’ll leave it there.
  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Posts: 6,248 ★★★★★
    @Texas_11 ngl, better list than expected. Granted, some hot takes. But aside from the obvious hot takes already outlined, Loki is actually a beast. Just needs a number buff.

    THATS IT DONT TOUCH HIS KIT KABAM
  • MasterpuffMasterpuff Posts: 6,248 ★★★★★

    @Texas_11 ngl, better list than expected. Granted, some hot takes. But aside from the obvious hot takes already outlined, Loki is actually a beast. Just needs a number buff.

    THATS IT DONT TOUCH HIS KIT KABAM

    Agent X zzz has some great videos, and he is the one who got me liking Loki. Amazing buff control and insane sustainability in any regen buff matchup.
  • VendemiaireVendemiaire Posts: 1,635 ★★★★
    Crcrcrc said:

    EVERYONE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IHULK RIGHT NOW.

    I swear I’ll quit the game if they “buff” him. Everyone needs to act like he’s a top 2 science to protect him or something.

    Yea, he's the Top 2 Science champ released in November 2020!
  • WRIRWRIR Posts: 562 ★★★
    edited March 3
    Terrible champions that no one use anyway. LIke Joe Fixit. There would be no pushback because there is no investment. There is no place to go down, only up.

    Also champs that have Synergies that do things seperate from their kit that makes them good. Like Abomination. If he were reworked to be at least half decent, his syngergy'd make him a god.
  • WRIRWRIR Posts: 562 ★★★
    Crcrcrc said:

    Crcrcrc said:

    EVERYONE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IHULK RIGHT NOW.

    I swear I’ll quit the game if they “buff” him. Everyone needs to act like he’s a top 2 science to protect him or something.

    Yea, he's the Top 2 Science champ released in November 2020!
    #1 science champ released in the 21st century
    Honestly I kinda just want them to tune up his rage timer and degen counter so he's just better
  • ShadowstrikeShadowstrike Posts: 1,392 ★★★★
    edited March 3
    Jaded said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Jaded said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Jaded said:

    Texas_11 said:

    Science:
    Cap America classic
    Mr.F
    Invisible Woman
    Hulk
    Any man
    Joe fix it
    Miles morales
    Electro
    Spider-Man

    Skill:
    Agent venom
    Hawkeye
    Crossbones
    Black panther
    Black panther CW
    BWDO
    Elektra
    Karnak
    Moon knight
    Taskmaster

    Mutant:
    Bishop
    Cable
    Psylocke
    Cyclops blue
    Cyclops red
    DPX
    Night crawler
    Beast of

    Tech:

    War machine
    Vulture
    Howard the duck
    Green goblin
    Red skull
    Ironman
    Rocket racoon
    Ultron

    Cosmic :
    Air walker
    Captain marvel
    Khamla Khan
    Groot
    Superior Ironman
    Hela
    Venom pool

    Mystic :
    Iron fist
    Guilly
    Diablo
    Dorm
    Loki
    Juggs
    Lady Thor
    Strange
    Mephistopheles

    You think they are all useless or need an entire rework? I know I’m crazy, but this is next level. You sir, need to stop playing the game if this is how you feel.
    Do you have any of these champs 5/65 ? Would you R3 any of these champs? Are these champs not safe to rework? I’m just answering OPs thread . Am I not entitled to my own opinion?

    I have
    Mr. F R2 6*
    Invisible Woman R3 6*
    Cable R2 6*
    You can have your opinion, I am not taking it away from you. My point, isn’t of which champions you named. But rather you feel the game needs that much of an overhaul. AND not every champ can be OP, the game would be boring.

    I have a lot of champions ranked up. At this point I would need to hire someone to keep track of their rank.
    It’s not just me , Kabam is buffing 40-50 champs this year. As the pool gets larger , the need to have more champs at a decent level is important. Every champ doesn’t need to be a God tier; I ranked my any man and he is okay, better than what he was before , I use him when I can.
    Right, but not complete re-works. Which was the question posted by the OP. Not which champions need buffs. I apologize you didn’t understand the question. I’m sure he could have worded it differently.
    I'm sorry for any confusion my original statement may have caused. My question was for champs I never hear used in any serious or consistent manner. I am aware Ronan has his moments but outside of those one or two events, I honestly never hear about him in anything short of the usual "please buff" shortlist.

    I just wanted to see who we wouldn't complain about if they were given a Hood like update/overhaul/tune-up and specifically named the ones I never hear about.

    We've all that run of luck (and lack thereof) where we're pulling the "meme tiers" but when it comes to Iron Fist, all the Spideys, the Avenegers and Moon Knight, those are the ones I always hear about with rework ideas so that's why I didn't include them on the list. (personally I really hope they're all given some proper justice eventually🤞) so I focused on the even less mentioned, whos kits are so basic, that you couldn't make a mistake if you tried.

    Hope that clarifies my intention.
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