I swear I’ll quit the game if they “buff” him. Everyone needs to act like he’s a top 2 science to protect him or something.
Yea, he's the Top 2 Science champ released in November 2020!
#1 science champ released in the 21st century
Honestly I kinda just want them to tune up his rage timer and degen counter so he's just better
I would be okay with the degen counter being buffed, but (here comes the hate) I want the rage to stay how it is. It adds a level of urgency and aggression to the character that makes him incredibly fun to play IMO.
Science: Cap America classic Mr.F Invisible Woman Hulk Any man Joe fix it Miles morales Electro Spider-Man
Skill: Agent venom Hawkeye Crossbones Black panther Black panther CW BWDO Elektra Karnak Moon knight Taskmaster
Mutant: Bishop Cable Psylocke Cyclops blue Cyclops red DPX Night crawler Beast of
Tech:
War machine Vulture Howard the duck Green goblin Red skull Ironman Rocket racoon Ultron
Cosmic : Air walker Captain marvel Khamla Khan Groot Superior Ironman Hela Venom pool
Mystic : Iron fist Guilly Diablo Dorm Loki Juggs Lady Thor Strange Mephistopheles
You think they are all useless or need an entire rework? I know I’m crazy, but this is next level. You sir, need to stop playing the game if this is how you feel.
Do you have any of these champs 5/65 ? Would you R3 any of these champs? Are these champs not safe to rework? I’m just answering OPs thread . Am I not entitled to my own opinion?
I have Mr. F R2 6* Invisible Woman R3 6* Cable R2 6*
You can have your opinion, I am not taking it away from you. My point, isn’t of which champions you named. But rather you feel the game needs that much of an overhaul. AND not every champ can be OP, the game would be boring.
I have a lot of champions ranked up. At this point I would need to hire someone to keep track of their rank.
It’s not just me , Kabam is buffing 40-50 champs this year. As the pool gets larger , the need to have more champs at a decent level is important. Every champ doesn’t need to be a God tier; I ranked my any man and he is okay, better than what he was before , I use him when I can.
Right, but not complete re-works. Which was the question posted by the OP. Not which champions need buffs. I apologize you didn’t understand the question. I’m sure he could have worded it differently.
I'm sorry for any confusion my original statement may have caused. My question was for champs I never hear used in any serious or consistent manner. I am aware Ronan has his moments but outside of those one or two events, I honestly never hear about him in anything short of the usual "please buff" shortlist.
I just wanted to see who we wouldn't complain about if they were given a Hood like update/overhaul/tune-up and specifically named the ones I never hear about.
We've all that run of luck (and lack thereof) where we're pulling the "meme tiers" but when it comes to Iron Fist, all the Spideys, the Avenegers and Moon Knight, those are the ones I always hear about with rework ideas so that's why I didn't include them on the list. (personally I really hope they're all given some proper justice eventually🤞) so I focused on the even less mentioned, whos kits are so basic, that you couldn't make a mistake if you tried.
Hope that clarifies my intention.
I understood what you were asking but @Texas_11 was thinking of any buff not just complete re-works. No sweat dude. There’s a few on that list that are OP in the right hands. I use my 6* duped r2 mr fantastic in war, not just a back pack.
Science: Cap America classic Mr.F Invisible Woman Hulk Any man Joe fix it Miles morales Electro Spider-Man
Skill: Agent venom Hawkeye Crossbones Black panther Black panther CW BWDO Elektra Karnak Moon knight Taskmaster
Mutant: Bishop Cable Psylocke Cyclops blue Cyclops red DPX Night crawler Beast of
Tech:
War machine Vulture Howard the duck Green goblin Red skull Ironman Rocket racoon Ultron
Cosmic : Air walker Captain marvel Khamla Khan Groot Superior Ironman Hela Venom pool
Mystic : Iron fist Guilly Diablo Dorm Loki Juggs Lady Thor Strange Mephistopheles
You think they are all useless or need an entire rework? I know I’m crazy, but this is next level. You sir, need to stop playing the game if this is how you feel.
Do you have any of these champs 5/65 ? Would you R3 any of these champs? Are these champs not safe to rework? I’m just answering OPs thread . Am I not entitled to my own opinion?
I have Mr. F R2 6* Invisible Woman R3 6* Cable R2 6*
You can have your opinion, I am not taking it away from you. My point, isn’t of which champions you named. But rather you feel the game needs that much of an overhaul. AND not every champ can be OP, the game would be boring.
I have a lot of champions ranked up. At this point I would need to hire someone to keep track of their rank.
It’s not just me , Kabam is buffing 40-50 champs this year. As the pool gets larger , the need to have more champs at a decent level is important. Every champ doesn’t need to be a God tier; I ranked my any man and he is okay, better than what he was before , I use him when I can.
Right, but not complete re-works. Which was the question posted by the OP. Not which champions need buffs. I apologize you didn’t understand the question. I’m sure he could have worded it differently.
I'm sorry for any confusion my original statement may have caused. My question was for champs I never hear used in any serious or consistent manner. I am aware Ronan has his moments but outside of those one or two events, I honestly never hear about him in anything short of the usual "please buff" shortlist.
I just wanted to see who we wouldn't complain about if they were given a Hood like update/overhaul/tune-up and specifically named the ones I never hear about.
We've all that run of luck (and lack thereof) where we're pulling the "meme tiers" but when it comes to Iron Fist, all the Spideys, the Avenegers and Moon Knight, those are the ones I always hear about with rework ideas so that's why I didn't include them on the list. (personally I really hope they're all given some proper justice eventually🤞) so I focused on the even less mentioned, whos kits are so basic, that you couldn't make a mistake if you tried.
Hope that clarifies my intention.
Honestly , Hood was probably the one champ. They have buffed 29 champs so far and hood was probably one of the more “this champ has his uses pull”
Most, but not all champs I put on my personal list have no relevance in any content. Ronan stun lock ability is good once every 2 years. Mephisto probably gets used for war defense , but most of those champs struggle.
Most of these champs don’t have kits , just some abilities thrown in their character. I personally believe a kit is really a new term for the forums and for Kabam as well, they are thinking through the small interactions that makes a champ good.
If you look at 2017 champs and below. Medusa , stark, vulture, hood, tasksmaster are some of the champs that had different interactions with their abilities to create an overall “kit” . Before then it felt more like “ bleed, posion, immunities etc was thrown in there to create a champ.
Science: Cap America classic Mr.F Invisible Woman Hulk Any man Joe fix it Miles morales Electro Spider-Man
Skill: Agent venom Hawkeye Crossbones Black panther Black panther CW BWDO Elektra Karnak Moon knight Taskmaster
Mutant: Bishop Cable Psylocke Cyclops blue Cyclops red DPX Night crawler Beast of
Tech:
War machine Vulture Howard the duck Green goblin Red skull Ironman Rocket racoon Ultron
Cosmic : Air walker Captain marvel Khamla Khan Groot Superior Ironman Hela Venom pool
Mystic : Iron fist Guilly Diablo Dorm Loki Juggs Lady Thor Strange Mephistopheles
You think they are all useless or need an entire rework? I know I’m crazy, but this is next level. You sir, need to stop playing the game if this is how you feel.
Do you have any of these champs 5/65 ? Would you R3 any of these champs? Are these champs not safe to rework? I’m just answering OPs thread . Am I not entitled to my own opinion?
I have Mr. F R2 6* Invisible Woman R3 6* Cable R2 6*
You can have your opinion, I am not taking it away from you. My point, isn’t of which champions you named. But rather you feel the game needs that much of an overhaul. AND not every champ can be OP, the game would be boring.
I have a lot of champions ranked up. At this point I would need to hire someone to keep track of their rank.
It’s not just me , Kabam is buffing 40-50 champs this year. As the pool gets larger , the need to have more champs at a decent level is important. Every champ doesn’t need to be a God tier; I ranked my any man and he is okay, better than what he was before , I use him when I can.
Right, but not complete re-works. Which was the question posted by the OP. Not which champions need buffs. I apologize you didn’t understand the question. I’m sure he could have worded it differently.
I'm sorry for any confusion my original statement may have caused. My question was for champs I never hear used in any serious or consistent manner. I am aware Ronan has his moments but outside of those one or two events, I honestly never hear about him in anything short of the usual "please buff" shortlist.
I just wanted to see who we wouldn't complain about if they were given a Hood like update/overhaul/tune-up and specifically named the ones I never hear about.
We've all that run of luck (and lack thereof) where we're pulling the "meme tiers" but when it comes to Iron Fist, all the Spideys, the Avenegers and Moon Knight, those are the ones I always hear about with rework ideas so that's why I didn't include them on the list. (personally I really hope they're all given some proper justice eventually🤞) so I focused on the even less mentioned, whos kits are so basic, that you couldn't make a mistake if you tried.
Hope that clarifies my intention.
I understood what you were asking but @Texas_11 was thinking of any buff not just complete re-works. No sweat dude. There’s a few on that list that are OP in the right hands. I use my 6* duped r2 mr fantastic in war, not just a back pack.
Dude I’m a Mr. F fan , I used him abyss and in multiple fights , i personally think he is overall too dependent on high signature levels though.
Without a dupe I think he had about a 30% effective kit. With dupe I think that jumps closer to 45%. Max sig he then can access his kit 100% and becomes a beast.
His entire play style is based around his signature ability , and I’m not a fan of that. I do like his taunt and stagger though.
After this hood situation, I hope kabam decides to make new champions of old rather then completely re-work their kits. I’d rather see Hood 2099, then re-work hood’s kit completely.
Same goes for every other champion.
I definitely agree with this in the case of someone at the level of hood who they would change abilities. Things like the Angela buff where they only add to her kit or like the magneto buff where they take a trash champ and completely change them are what we want. Not mixing the two and completely changing characters who are okay now.
I swear I’ll quit the game if they “buff” him. Everyone needs to act like he’s a top 2 science to protect him or something.
Yea, he's the Top 2 Science champ released in November 2020!
#1 science champ released in the 21st century
Honestly I kinda just want them to tune up his rage timer and degen counter so he's just better
I would be okay with the degen counter being buffed, but (here comes the hate) I want the rage to stay how it is. It adds a level of urgency and aggression to the character that makes him incredibly fun to play IMO.
I like Hulk. I think he has an interesting concept , I think they just need fix his stuns , and also fix some issues like I can hardly get a medium off and do a heavy without my rage expiring, which is frustrating.
I swear I’ll quit the game if they “buff” him. Everyone needs to act like he’s a top 2 science to protect him or something.
Yea, he's the Top 2 Science champ released in November 2020!
#1 science champ released in the 21st century
Honestly I kinda just want them to tune up his rage timer and degen counter so he's just better
I would be okay with the degen counter being buffed, but (here comes the hate) I want the rage to stay how it is. It adds a level of urgency and aggression to the character that makes him incredibly fun to play IMO.
I like Hulk. I think he has an interesting concept , I think they just need fix his stuns , and also fix some issues like I can hardly get a medium off and do a heavy without my rage expiring, which is frustrating.
I think he needs a new sig or the stuns to be doubled for sure, and the heavy is mainly used as a combo into a special attack to keep the rage going. THAT’S ALL KABAM. I really like him the way he is and I’m really hoping they don’t change him at all though.
What if Kabam buffs Groot with more damage, but takes away his ability to shrug off debuffs 55% faster? The one thing I like about current Groot is that, and that could be removed in an instant.
What if Kabam buffs Groot with more damage, but takes away his ability to shrug off debuffs 55% faster? The one thing I like about current Groot is that, and that could be removed in an instant.
With the current controversy regarding the Hood, I was thinking of which Champs could have their kits completely changed since they are either so basic or unusable in this current meta, that ANYTHING would be a step up compared to what is currently available.
We don't need to include any potential ideas or suggestions, I just wanted to pick all of your brains to see who you think would fit that criteria.
For me starting off: Joe Fix-it Karnak Beast Rhino Ronan Both Cyclops OG Ms. Marvel & Captain Marvel classic Jane Foster Diablo
Ur forgetting : Iron Patriot OG + Sup Iron man Both Ultron DP X-force Groot Kamala khan Cable OG storm
Science: Cap America classic Mr.F Invisible Woman Hulk Any man Joe fix it Miles morales Electro Spider-Man
Skill: Agent venom Hawkeye Crossbones Black panther Black panther CW BWDO Elektra Karnak Moon knight Taskmaster
Mutant: Bishop Cable Psylocke Cyclops blue Cyclops red DPX Night crawler Beast of
Tech:
War machine Vulture Howard the duck Green goblin Red skull Ironman Rocket racoon Ultron
Cosmic : Air walker Captain marvel Khamla Khan Groot Superior Ironman Hela Venom pool
Mystic : Iron fist Guilly Diablo Dorm Loki Juggs Lady Thor Strange Mephistopheles
You think they are all useless or need an entire rework? I know I’m crazy, but this is next level. You sir, need to stop playing the game if this is how you feel.
Do you have any of these champs 5/65 ? Would you R3 any of these champs? Are these champs not safe to rework? I’m just answering OPs thread . Am I not entitled to my own opinion?
I have Mr. F R2 6* Invisible Woman R3 6* Cable R2 6*
You can have your opinion, I am not taking it away from you. My point, isn’t of which champions you named. But rather you feel the game needs that much of an overhaul. AND not every champ can be OP, the game would be boring.
I have a lot of champions ranked up. At this point I would need to hire someone to keep track of their rank.
It’s not just me , Kabam is buffing 40-50 champs this year. As the pool gets larger , the need to have more champs at a decent level is important. Every champ doesn’t need to be a God tier; I ranked my any man and he is okay, better than what he was before , I use him when I can.
Right, but not complete re-works. Which was the question posted by the OP. Not which champions need buffs. I apologize you didn’t understand the question. I’m sure he could have worded it differently.
I'm sorry for any confusion my original statement may have caused. My question was for champs I never hear used in any serious or consistent manner. I am aware Ronan has his moments but outside of those one or two events, I honestly never hear about him in anything short of the usual "please buff" shortlist.
I just wanted to see who we wouldn't complain about if they were given a Hood like update/overhaul/tune-up and specifically named the ones I never hear about.
We've all that run of luck (and lack thereof) where we're pulling the "meme tiers" but when it comes to Iron Fist, all the Spideys, the Avenegers and Moon Knight, those are the ones I always hear about with rework ideas so that's why I didn't include them on the list. (personally I really hope they're all given some proper justice eventually🤞) so I focused on the even less mentioned, whos kits are so basic, that you couldn't make a mistake if you tried.
Hope that clarifies my intention.
I understood what you were asking but @Texas_11 was thinking of any buff not just complete re-works. No sweat dude. There’s a few on that list that are OP in the right hands. I use my 6* duped r2 mr fantastic in war, not just a back pack.
Dude I’m a Mr. F fan , I used him abyss and in multiple fights , i personally think he is overall too dependent on high signature levels though.
Without a dupe I think he had about a 30% effective kit. With dupe I think that jumps closer to 45%. Max sig he then can access his kit 100% and becomes a beast.
His entire play style is based around his signature ability , and I’m not a fan of that. I do like his taunt and stagger though.
He gets the fight done. There are a lot of Mr fantastic supporters. I debated taking up torch r3 or MrF to r3. Torch won, both awakened. But MrF could be the next r3 science for me. He will benefit from the slight increase of attack.
I liked the changes they made to hood! If they want to listen to the people let’s go back to old school Thor, scarlet witch and dr. strange! Where was the understanding then?
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Most, but not all champs I put on my personal list have no relevance in any content. Ronan stun lock ability is good once every 2 years. Mephisto probably gets used for war defense , but most of those champs struggle.
Most of these champs don’t have kits , just some abilities thrown in their character. I personally believe a kit is really a new term for the forums and for Kabam as well, they are thinking through the small interactions that makes a champ good.
If you look at 2017 champs and below. Medusa , stark, vulture, hood, tasksmaster are some of the champs that had different interactions with their abilities to create an overall “kit” . Before then it felt more like “ bleed, posion, immunities etc was thrown in there to create a champ.
Without a dupe I think he had about a 30% effective kit. With dupe I think that jumps closer to 45%. Max sig he then can access his kit 100% and becomes a beast.
His entire play style is based around his signature ability , and I’m not a fan of that. I do like his taunt and stagger though.
As for champs that need complete re-work, your whole list is good except Ronan. Dont touch him hes good as he is.
DOCTOR STRANGE
Iron Patriot
OG + Sup Iron man
Both Ultron
DP X-force
Groot
Kamala khan
Cable
OG storm