If you're about to bring Ghost against variant 6 DD or DD in general don't

Ghost12

So there was a nerf it might be big for you or maybe not but before DD was not able to hit Ghost before and after yesterday's nerf on Ghost, DD can now hit Ghost, so for those who are about to do V6 or bring Ghost against DD for what ever reason becareful

Ghost12

Jaded

I remember this fight, there’s more then one answer.

Sarvanga1_

It's a buff on DD. And I also got the taste of this when I went in with ghost against v6 DD. Had to use sentinel for this fight.

The_Sentry06

Dw I have 1* Wolverine

Ghost12

Here's the thing it doesn't make sense because Ghost has phase not invisibility so if anything he should not be hitting her since his punches are suppose to go through not go in. If this was corvous or proxima or even cull I understand since there weapons were design to hit through phase but DD only has punches not weapons so if anything this was a nerf so people can't use ghost now against V6 DD or future fights that involve DD

silentag

Yeah, though this affects ghost, it’s the tweak of dd’s abilities that caused this interaction.

Ghost12

And Baro even confirmed this( subscribe to him if you want, the guy uploads amazing stuff from Mcoc) but kabbal themselves confirmed this as well

Ghost12

Jaded

Ghost12 said:

Here's the thing it doesn't make sense because Ghost has phase not invisibility so if anything he should not be hitting her since his punches are suppose to go through not go in. If this was corvous or proxima or even cull I understand since there weapons were design to hit through phase but DD only has punches not weapons so if anything this was a nerf so people can't use ghost now against V6 DD or future fights that involve DD

Oh no, ghost will be bad against one more defender. I’m sure all will be okay.

Ghost12

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Here's the thing it doesn't make sense because Ghost has phase not invisibility so if anything he should not be hitting her since his punches are suppose to go through not go in. If this was corvous or proxima or even cull I understand since there weapons were design to hit through phase but DD only has punches not weapons so if anything this was a nerf so people can't use ghost now against V6 DD or future fights that involve DD

Oh no, ghost will be bad against one more defender. I’m sure all will be okay.

The thing is they made this change without making sense DD can hit invisibility because it's something that's physically there but Ghost when she's phased she's not there physically. Its like a person trying to hit a ghost with a bat but they can't because his not physically there even if you tried you won't be able to hit him because again his not there. Ghost is not invisible women or Hood she's ghost she has phase there's a reason why she has that name guys

silentag

Plus the solution to this while using Ghost would just be to play more aggressively and gain power from your hits rather than trying to phase hits. Still ghost-able, just have to change the strategy.

Ghost12

If this was corvous or others like that reasonable if you watched infinity war there weapons were design to hit through phase since vission has phase there the evidence but DD doesn't have weapons that counter that

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Jaded

Ghost12 said:

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Here's the thing it doesn't make sense because Ghost has phase not invisibility so if anything he should not be hitting her since his punches are suppose to go through not go in. If this was corvous or proxima or even cull I understand since there weapons were design to hit through phase but DD only has punches not weapons so if anything this was a nerf so people can't use ghost now against V6 DD or future fights that involve DD

Oh no, ghost will be bad against one more defender. I’m sure all will be okay.

The thing is they made this change without making sense DD can hit invisibility because it's something that's physically there but Ghost when she's phased she's not there physically. Its like a person trying to hit a ghost with a bat but they can't because his not physically there even if you tried you won't be able to hit him because again his not there. Ghost is not invisible women or Hood she's ghost she has phase there's a reason why she has that name guys

Ghost12 said:

If this was corvous or others like that reasonable if you watched infinity war there weapons were design to hit through phase since vission has phase there the evidence but DD doesn't have weapons that counter that

You are just repeating yourself. This argument doesn’t hold ground. Otherwise Hulk would destroy hawkeye no matter what in game.

Ghost12

silentag said:

Plus the solution to this while using Ghost would just be to play more aggressively and gain power from your hits rather than trying to phase hits. Still ghost-able, just have to change the strategy.

Thats all good and everything but its easier said then done 🤷‍♂️, again this was a change that was not needed and the fact they took so long to do this clearly shows they were targeting here V6 DD so players have a hard time

Ghost12

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Here's the thing it doesn't make sense because Ghost has phase not invisibility so if anything he should not be hitting her since his punches are suppose to go through not go in. If this was corvous or proxima or even cull I understand since there weapons were design to hit through phase but DD only has punches not weapons so if anything this was a nerf so people can't use ghost now against V6 DD or future fights that involve DD

Oh no, ghost will be bad against one more defender. I’m sure all will be okay.

The thing is they made this change without making sense DD can hit invisibility because it's something that's physically there but Ghost when she's phased she's not there physically. Its like a person trying to hit a ghost with a bat but they can't because his not physically there even if you tried you won't be able to hit him because again his not there. Ghost is not invisible women or Hood she's ghost she has phase there's a reason why she has that name guys

Ghost12 said:

If this was corvous or others like that reasonable if you watched infinity war there weapons were design to hit through phase since vission has phase there the evidence but DD doesn't have weapons that counter that

You are just repeating yourself. This argument doesn’t hold ground. Otherwise Hulk would destroy hawkeye no matter what in game.

It could be torches heat may malfunction the suit and nick always has a plan for every hero or villain he is after all the batman of the marvel universe. But anyways the thing is kabbam confirmed themselves that DD wasn't able to punch her before and all suddenly decide to change this. Its no big deal true but again its a warning for players who will do V6 and decide to bring Ghost and then find out she suddenly can get hit by DD

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Ghost12 said:

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Here's the thing it doesn't make sense because Ghost has phase not invisibility so if anything he should not be hitting her since his punches are suppose to go through not go in. If this was corvous or proxima or even cull I understand since there weapons were design to hit through phase but DD only has punches not weapons so if anything this was a nerf so people can't use ghost now against V6 DD or future fights that involve DD

Oh no, ghost will be bad against one more defender. I’m sure all will be okay.

The thing is they made this change without making sense DD can hit invisibility because it's something that's physically there but Ghost when she's phased she's not there physically. Its like a person trying to hit a ghost with a bat but they can't because his not physically there even if you tried you won't be able to hit him because again his not there. Ghost is not invisible women or Hood she's ghost she has phase there's a reason why she has that name guys

Ghost12 said:

If this was corvous or others like that reasonable if you watched infinity war there weapons were design to hit through phase since vission has phase there the evidence but DD doesn't have weapons that counter that

You are just repeating yourself. This argument doesn’t hold ground. Otherwise Hulk would destroy hawkeye no matter what in game.

It could be torches heat may malfunction the suit and nick always has a plan for every hero or villain he is after all the batman of the marvel universe. But anyways the thing is kabbam confirmed themselves that DD wasn't able to punch her before and all suddenly decide to change this. Its no big deal true but again its a warning for players who will do V6 and decide to bring Ghost and then find out she suddenly can get hit by DD

I think your warning is valid, but there are better avenues to do it rather than spam the forums. Or continuously repeat yourself.

That being said, nothing will change back on this. The precedent has been set back with AA.

Ghost12

HI_guys said:

Ghost12 said:

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Here's the thing it doesn't make sense because Ghost has phase not invisibility so if anything he should not be hitting her since his punches are suppose to go through not go in. If this was corvous or proxima or even cull I understand since there weapons were design to hit through phase but DD only has punches not weapons so if anything this was a nerf so people can't use ghost now against V6 DD or future fights that involve DD

Oh no, ghost will be bad against one more defender. I’m sure all will be okay.

The thing is they made this change without making sense DD can hit invisibility because it's something that's physically there but Ghost when she's phased she's not there physically. Its like a person trying to hit a ghost with a bat but they can't because his not physically there even if you tried you won't be able to hit him because again his not there. Ghost is not invisible women or Hood she's ghost she has phase there's a reason why she has that name guys

Ghost12 said:

If this was corvous or others like that reasonable if you watched infinity war there weapons were design to hit through phase since vission has phase there the evidence but DD doesn't have weapons that counter that

You are just repeating yourself. This argument doesn’t hold ground. Otherwise Hulk would destroy hawkeye no matter what in game.

It could be torches heat may malfunction the suit and nick always has a plan for every hero or villain he is after all the batman of the marvel universe. But anyways the thing is kabbam confirmed themselves that DD wasn't able to punch her before and all suddenly decide to change this. Its no big deal true but again its a warning for players who will do V6 and decide to bring Ghost and then find out she suddenly can get hit by DD

You knwo she doesn't need the suit to phase?

To control the phase she does, so maybe nick has some device that allows her to simple disable the phase for a split second and that allows him to attack her. Again anything can be said about the suit of ghost especially since it was created by shield there had to be a contingency there for her

Ghost12

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Here's the thing it doesn't make sense because Ghost has phase not invisibility so if anything he should not be hitting her since his punches are suppose to go through not go in. If this was corvous or proxima or even cull I understand since there weapons were design to hit through phase but DD only has punches not weapons so if anything this was a nerf so people can't use ghost now against V6 DD or future fights that involve DD

Oh no, ghost will be bad against one more defender. I’m sure all will be okay.

The thing is they made this change without making sense DD can hit invisibility because it's something that's physically there but Ghost when she's phased she's not there physically. Its like a person trying to hit a ghost with a bat but they can't because his not physically there even if you tried you won't be able to hit him because again his not there. Ghost is not invisible women or Hood she's ghost she has phase there's a reason why she has that name guys

Ghost12 said:

If this was corvous or others like that reasonable if you watched infinity war there weapons were design to hit through phase since vission has phase there the evidence but DD doesn't have weapons that counter that

You are just repeating yourself. This argument doesn’t hold ground. Otherwise Hulk would destroy hawkeye no matter what in game.

It could be torches heat may malfunction the suit and nick always has a plan for every hero or villain he is after all the batman of the marvel universe. But anyways the thing is kabbam confirmed themselves that DD wasn't able to punch her before and all suddenly decide to change this. Its no big deal true but again its a warning for players who will do V6 and decide to bring Ghost and then find out she suddenly can get hit by DD

I think your warning is valid, but there are better avenues to do it rather than spam the forums. Or continuously repeat yourself.

That being said, nothing will change back on this. The precedent has been set back with AA.

Yeah I agree bro and my apologies for the spam, but again its like I said it wasn't need it to change, but it won't ruin her character just weird kabbam stated a fact that she can't get hit by DD and all suddenly they change that to her getting hit by DD. Its no big deal for content like AW or regular one but if people don't have omega, killomonger( with void syn) or Apocolypse for the V6 DD this can kinda be a big deal.

Ghost12

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Here's the thing it doesn't make sense because Ghost has phase not invisibility so if anything he should not be hitting her since his punches are suppose to go through not go in. If this was corvous or proxima or even cull I understand since there weapons were design to hit through phase but DD only has punches not weapons so if anything this was a nerf so people can't use ghost now against V6 DD or future fights that involve DD

Oh no, ghost will be bad against one more defender. I’m sure all will be okay.

The thing is they made this change without making sense DD can hit invisibility because it's something that's physically there but Ghost when she's phased she's not there physically. Its like a person trying to hit a ghost with a bat but they can't because his not physically there even if you tried you won't be able to hit him because again his not there. Ghost is not invisible women or Hood she's ghost she has phase there's a reason why she has that name guys

Ghost12 said:

If this was corvous or others like that reasonable if you watched infinity war there weapons were design to hit through phase since vission has phase there the evidence but DD doesn't have weapons that counter that

You are just repeating yourself. This argument doesn’t hold ground. Otherwise Hulk would destroy hawkeye no matter what in game.

It could be torches heat may malfunction the suit and nick always has a plan for every hero or villain he is after all the batman of the marvel universe. But anyways the thing is kabbam confirmed themselves that DD wasn't able to punch her before and all suddenly decide to change this. Its no big deal true but again its a warning for players who will do V6 and decide to bring Ghost and then find out she suddenly can get hit by DD

I think your warning is valid, but there are better avenues to do it rather than spam the forums. Or continuously repeat yourself.

That being said, nothing will change back on this. The precedent has been set back with AA.

Nvr the less I'm just glad they didn't nerf her phase mode where champs can evade her even while phase 😂, unless they are longshot or have extra ability accuracy 👀

silentag

Ghost12 said:

silentag said:

Plus the solution to this while using Ghost would just be to play more aggressively and gain power from your hits rather than trying to phase hits. Still ghost-able, just have to change the strategy.

Thats all good and everything but its easier said then done 🤷‍♂️, again this was a change that was not needed and the fact they took so long to do this clearly shows they were targeting here V6 DD so players have a hard time

Fair enough. If you still need to finish exploring that one and ghost is your best option, give that strategy a try. The more aggressive you play, the more debuffs you’ll stack on yourself from biohazard to convert. That plus the dash vulnerability should help improve on intercepting. If you’re already done though, good call to warn folks not to go in expecting to phase hits like before.

phillgreen

Has there been an official response on this change?

Voltolos

phillgreen said:

Has there been an official response on this change?

Apart from the patch notes where this is listed?

TrashyPanda

I don't mind the change, as silly as it is for someone to hit the incorporeal because being blind is a superpower.

I do wish they'd keep champs abilities the same in pre-buff content, though. It'd keep the experience consistent and avoid the occasional 'moderately difficult fight turns into fighting the collector' situation.

Not talking about this fight, mind, just for the future.

Malreck04

HI_guys said:

Ghost12 said:

Jaded said:

Ghost12 said:

Here's the thing it doesn't make sense because Ghost has phase not invisibility so if anything he should not be hitting her since his punches are suppose to go through not go in. If this was corvous or proxima or even cull I understand since there weapons were design to hit through phase but DD only has punches not weapons so if anything this was a nerf so people can't use ghost now against V6 DD or future fights that involve DD

Oh no, ghost will be bad against one more defender. I’m sure all will be okay.

The thing is they made this change without making sense DD can hit invisibility because it's something that's physically there but Ghost when she's phased she's not there physically. Its like a person trying to hit a ghost with a bat but they can't because his not physically there even if you tried you won't be able to hit him because again his not there. Ghost is not invisible women or Hood she's ghost she has phase there's a reason why she has that name guys

Does it make sense nick can diffenntly ignore her passing after he gets hit 5 times? Does it make sense HT can for her because he's hot? No

This is the best explanation, despite whatever may be canon, the game needs to assert independence in some choices or you wouldn't have such an interesting game in the first place.

Meanwhile, it does make ghost a less than ideal solution to this fight, but it makes sense in the game, people are saying phase is not the same as invisibilty, that doesn't matter, MISS is the mechanic that is present in the game.

But definitely, Bero Man has posted a screenshot of them saying something else couple of years ago, I would like to see a response to that