Current 6* Basic Pool?

DrZola

Trying to tease out the current 6* Basic pool...

This info graphic is the most recent one I can find:


I’m assuming Air-Walker is already in the basic...

From what I can tell, the following champs would be the next additions to the current basic pool:

Dragon Man
Cosmic Ghost Rider
Apocalypse
Prof X
Immortal Hulk
Red Goblin

The next featured would presumably include:

Spider-Ham
Stryfe
Jubilee
Immortal Abomination
Psycho Man
Super Skrull

Does that sound right? Is there an updated infographic?

Dr. Zola

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gL4C1eR

I recently got Dragon Man from a basic so I definitely know he's in there right this moment.

Aleor

I believe 6* basic is updated when new 6* featured is released. Also you can see air walker in 6* basic preview animation

Ken1378

Umm, that’s the 5-star graphic.

The 6-star basic pool is a little bit different.

SkyLord7000

Ken1378 said:

Umm, that’s the 5-star graphic.

The 6-star basic pool is a little bit different.

Qfury

Mcdonalds said:

When does Apoc come? Need some duds on my roster

23rd I believe

Osfan8

This should be accurate till the feature ends next week.

Tru100

Frontline MCOC is reliable on this front

https://frontlinemcoc.home.blog/entering-the-basic-pool/

DrZola

Ken1378 said:

Umm, that’s the 5-star graphic.

The 6-star basic pool is a little bit different.

Right you are. That’s super helpful.

Dr. Zola

DrZola

Osfan8 said:

This should be accurate till the feature ends next week.

Thanks. There were a few services that kept an updated chart, but they don’t anymore.

Dr. Zola

DrZola

So assuming the 5* chart is correct, after next week that would put ~160 champs in the 5* basic pool and ~158 in the 6* basic pool.

With a few exceptions, have we caught up now? Can we start looking at something that allows players to target maybe 3/6 6* classes?

Dr. Zola

SpideyFunko

Speedro420 said:

DrZola said:

So assuming the 5* chart is correct, after next week that would put ~160 champs in the 5* basic pool and ~158 in the 6* basic pool.

With a few exceptions, have we caught up now? Can we start looking at something that allows players to target maybe 3/6 6* classes?

Dr. Zola

Didn’t they say something about a wish crystal or something in the outline they laid out. Can’t remember if that targeted classes or specific champs maybe.

champs

DrZola

I don’t think we even need the specificity to drop down to champs-level.

At nearly 160 champs in the 6* basic, it should brb far easier to target a specific set of classes, especially with more players moving up to TB.

Dr. Zola

BitterSteel

DrZola said:

I don’t think we even need the specificity to drop down to champs-level.

At nearly 160 champs in the 6* basic, it should brb far easier to target a specific set of classes, especially with more players moving up to TB.

Dr. Zola

Especially since the ranking bottleneck right now is class based. If we were ranking 6* to rank 3 with basic catalysts it would be less important, but since we need a class based catalyst to rank champions it’s even more important to target specific classes

DrZola

BitterSteel said:

DrZola said:

I don’t think we even need the specificity to drop down to champs-level.

At nearly 160 champs in the 6* basic, it should brb far easier to target a specific set of classes, especially with more players moving up to TB.

Dr. Zola

Especially since the ranking bottleneck right now is class based. If we were ranking 6* to rank 3 with basic catalysts it would be less important, but since we need a class based catalyst to rank champions it’s even more important to target specific classes

Exactly.

But one issue I see is the inevitable letdown once you reach TB. I’ve felt it, and I see plenty of players who get there and then wonder what to do next. There’s always Abyss, 100% Act 6 for me, but those both take saving, planning, and plenty of time.

So it may be good for game longevity to continue the lottery pattern of frustration with 6* pulls.

Dr. Zola

Crcrcrc

BitterSteel said:

DrZola said:

I don’t think we even need the specificity to drop down to champs-level.

At nearly 160 champs in the 6* basic, it should brb far easier to target a specific set of classes, especially with more players moving up to TB.

Dr. Zola

Especially since the ranking bottleneck right now is class based. If we were ranking 6* to rank 3 with basic catalysts it would be less important, but since we need a class based catalyst to rank champions it’s even more important to target specific classes

Maybe so it's not too OP they could add tri-class crystals or something.

DrZola

Just a little thought here that’s been bandied about many times before...



The chance of pulling a 6* Angela from her featured Cav crystal is 0.31% per Kabam.

In a 6* basic pool comprised of ~160 champs, the chance of pulling a 6* Angela (assuming all champs have an equal chance of being pulled from each 6* basic crystal) is 0.625%, or roughly twice as likely.

For any champ that is currently in the basic 6*, there’s no good reason to target them in a featured Cav 6* unless you will be happy with any 5/6* from that Cav. Because your chances pulling them from a basic are approximately twice as good.

Which begs the question of why, apart from just gambling (or the desire to have modestly increased odds for pulling any random 5/6*), you would purchase a featured Cav for a champ already in the basic.

Dr. Zola

BitterSteel

Crcrcrc said:

BitterSteel said:

DrZola said:

I don’t think we even need the specificity to drop down to champs-level.

At nearly 160 champs in the 6* basic, it should brb far easier to target a specific set of classes, especially with more players moving up to TB.

Dr. Zola

Especially since the ranking bottleneck right now is class based. If we were ranking 6* to rank 3 with basic catalysts it would be less important, but since we need a class based catalyst to rank champions it’s even more important to target specific classes

Maybe so it's not too OP they could add tri-class crystals or something.

I’d go for tri class crystals I think it’s a great compromise.

Another wild dream would be 6* nexus sold for around 20k 6* shards, I wouldn’t pay more than that tbh but I think it’s a good price for 3 6* champs you keep one of.

Aleor

DrZola said:

Just a little thought here that’s been bandied about many times before...



The chance of pulling a 6* Angela from her featured Cav crystal is 0.31% per Kabam.

In a 6* basic pool comprised of ~160 champs, the chance of pulling a 6* Angela (assuming all champs have an equal chance of being pulled from each 6* basic crystal) is 0.625%, or roughly twice as likely.

For any champ that is currently in the basic 6*, there’s no good reason to target them in a featured Cav 6* unless you will be happy with any 5/6* from that Cav. Because your chances pulling them from a basic are approximately twice as good.

Which begs the question of why, apart from just gambling (or the desire to have modestly increased odds for pulling any random 5/6*), you would purchase a featured Cav for a champ already in the basic.

Dr. Zola

You can only open limited amount of basic 6* crystals. Cavs are only limited with your wallet. It's not like you're choosing between basic and cav. You have basic anyway, and cav is just increasing your success rate, where success is pulling 6* Angela.

DrZola

Aleor said:

DrZola said:

Just a little thought here that’s been bandied about many times before...



The chance of pulling a 6* Angela from her featured Cav crystal is 0.31% per Kabam.

In a 6* basic pool comprised of ~160 champs, the chance of pulling a 6* Angela (assuming all champs have an equal chance of being pulled from each 6* basic crystal) is 0.625%, or roughly twice as likely.

For any champ that is currently in the basic 6*, there’s no good reason to target them in a featured Cav 6* unless you will be happy with any 5/6* from that Cav. Because your chances pulling them from a basic are approximately twice as good.

Which begs the question of why, apart from just gambling (or the desire to have modestly increased odds for pulling any random 5/6*), you would purchase a featured Cav for a champ already in the basic.

Dr. Zola

You can only open limited amount of basic 6* crystals. Cavs are only limited with your wallet. It's not like you're choosing between basic and cav. You have basic anyway, and cav is just increasing your success rate, where success is pulling 6* Angela.

Oh, completely true. And if by increasing your success rate you mean at the very margins, you are right. A 1.5% success rate is super low.

But...if I’m going to dip into my wallet, it’s probably going to be for a featured with a champ in it I cannot readily get elsewhere. Or spend on the Sigil to give me a cheaper shard cost to target specific champs in the 6* featured.

Dr. Zola

Aleor

DrZola said:

So assuming the 5* chart is correct, after next week that would put ~160 champs in the 5* basic pool and ~158 in the 6* basic pool.

With a few exceptions, have we caught up now? Can we start looking at something that allows players to target maybe 3/6 6* classes?

Dr. Zola

Blade, voodoo, Hyperion, Magik, medusa, quake, ghost rider, sparky, also aw, wolverine, punisher, labtron and unstoppable Colossus. It would take at least 2 more featured 6* cycles to add those (3 or even 4 are more likely), and I don't think kabam will want to introduce class based 6* crystals before they add those champs. And I won't get 6* Hyperion for half a year at least.

Aleor

DrZola said:

Aleor said:

DrZola said:

Just a little thought here that’s been bandied about many times before...



The chance of pulling a 6* Angela from her featured Cav crystal is 0.31% per Kabam.

In a 6* basic pool comprised of ~160 champs, the chance of pulling a 6* Angela (assuming all champs have an equal chance of being pulled from each 6* basic crystal) is 0.625%, or roughly twice as likely.

For any champ that is currently in the basic 6*, there’s no good reason to target them in a featured Cav 6* unless you will be happy with any 5/6* from that Cav. Because your chances pulling them from a basic are approximately twice as good.

Which begs the question of why, apart from just gambling (or the desire to have modestly increased odds for pulling any random 5/6*), you would purchase a featured Cav for a champ already in the basic.

Dr. Zola

You can only open limited amount of basic 6* crystals. Cavs are only limited with your wallet. It's not like you're choosing between basic and cav. You have basic anyway, and cav is just increasing your success rate, where success is pulling 6* Angela.

Oh, completely true. And if by increasing your success rate you mean at the very margins, you are right. A 1.5% success rate is super low.

But...if I’m going to dip into my wallet, it’s probably going to be for a featured with a champ in it I cannot readily get elsewhere. Or spend on the Sigil to give me a cheaper shard cost to target specific champs in the 6* featured.

Dr. Zola

For you it may not be a good idea, but that's how kabam makes money, increasing champs availability may be bad for their income.
Also not very margins, opening a lot of cavs gives pretty good chances on getting featured champ. With 0.31% per crystal, solving 0.5 = 1 - (1-0.0031)^x for x, x ~ 223, wich means opening 223 cavs gives you 50% chance to get a champ you want. 223*300/3100*100 = 2160$. Some people can spend that much. Seems crazy to me, but it's their decision.
Change 0.5 to 0.1 (10% success rate), and it will give you 34 crystals to go for.

DrZola

Aleor said:

DrZola said:

So assuming the 5* chart is correct, after next week that would put ~160 champs in the 5* basic pool and ~158 in the 6* basic pool.

With a few exceptions, have we caught up now? Can we start looking at something that allows players to target maybe 3/6 6* classes?

Dr. Zola

Blade, voodoo, Hyperion, Magik, medusa, quake, ghost rider, sparky, also aw, wolverine, punisher, labtron and unstoppable Colossus. It would take at least 2 more featured 6* cycles to add those (3 or even 4 are more likely), and I don't think kabam will want to introduce class based 6* crystals before they add those champs. And I won't get 6* Hyperion for half a year at least.

Possibly. I wonder if all or any of those will make the regular basic 6*. There a decent case to make that a 6* Hypo would be game breaking.

Dr. Zola

DrZola

Aleor said:

DrZola said:

Aleor said:

DrZola said:

Just a little thought here that’s been bandied about many times before...



The chance of pulling a 6* Angela from her featured Cav crystal is 0.31% per Kabam.

In a 6* basic pool comprised of ~160 champs, the chance of pulling a 6* Angela (assuming all champs have an equal chance of being pulled from each 6* basic crystal) is 0.625%, or roughly twice as likely.

For any champ that is currently in the basic 6*, there’s no good reason to target them in a featured Cav 6* unless you will be happy with any 5/6* from that Cav. Because your chances pulling them from a basic are approximately twice as good.

Which begs the question of why, apart from just gambling (or the desire to have modestly increased odds for pulling any random 5/6*), you would purchase a featured Cav for a champ already in the basic.

Dr. Zola

You can only open limited amount of basic 6* crystals. Cavs are only limited with your wallet. It's not like you're choosing between basic and cav. You have basic anyway, and cav is just increasing your success rate, where success is pulling 6* Angela.

Oh, completely true. And if by increasing your success rate you mean at the very margins, you are right. A 1.5% success rate is super low.

But...if I’m going to dip into my wallet, it’s probably going to be for a featured with a champ in it I cannot readily get elsewhere. Or spend on the Sigil to give me a cheaper shard cost to target specific champs in the 6* featured.

Dr. Zola

For you it may not be a good idea, but that's how kabam makes money, increasing champs availability may be bad for their income.
Also not very margins, opening a lot of cavs gives pretty good chances on getting featured champ. With 0.31% per crystal, solving 0.5 = 1 - (1-0.0031)^x for x, x ~ 223, wich means opening 223 cavs gives you 50% chance to get a champ you want. 223*300/3100*100 = 2160$. Some people can spend that much. Seems crazy to me, but it's their decision.
Change 0.5 to 0.1 (10% success rate), and it will give you 34 crystals to go for.

Crazy yes. Like, 100%.

Can at least understand if it’s an Apoc or Doom or other new champ who could boost prestige or give a competitive advantage.

But I’m small fry. I pick one up here and there. Buying 223 featureds for a coin flip chance is more than I can afford.

Dr. Zola

DrZola

Actually, I should clarify here: first run featured Cavs give a 0.1% chance for the featured champ, while reruns bump to 0.3%.

Even less appealing when you consider that, unless you are playing and spending at the highest tiers.

Dr. Zola

Worknprogress

DrZola said:

Actually, I should clarify here: first run featured Cavs give a 0.1% chance for the featured champ, while reruns bump to 0.3%.

Even less appealing when you consider that, unless you are playing and spending at the highest tiers.

Dr. Zola

Sure it's super low odds but there are people out there that buy one and get the champ they want. There are even lower odds at winning the lottery but people buy tickets all the time. Some people are willing to spend for that low chance, most aren't.

I don't buy nearly as many cavs anymore bc there are just very few champs that would make any actual difference but still get the odd batch of 10 here and there. Usually doesn't work out, sometimes it does. This was yesterday's result of 10.




Worked out as far as I'm concerned. The amount of times it has is worth the odd punt occasionally.

DrZola

Worknprogress said:

DrZola said:

Actually, I should clarify here: first run featured Cavs give a 0.1% chance for the featured champ, while reruns bump to 0.3%.

Even less appealing when you consider that, unless you are playing and spending at the highest tiers.

Dr. Zola

Sure it's super low odds but there are people out there that buy one and get the champ they want. There are even lower odds at winning the lottery but people buy tickets all the time. Some people are willing to spend for that low chance, most aren't.

I don't buy nearly as many cavs anymore bc there are just very few champs that would make any actual difference but still get the odd batch of 10 here and there. Usually doesn't work out, sometimes it does. This was yesterday's result of 10.




Worked out as far as I'm concerned. The amount of times it has is worth the odd punt occasionally.

First off, great pull. That’s fantastic luck.

But second off, that’s fantastic luck—and unlikely to be replicated. Your odd punt is my 99/100 result. And that’s really my point. Once a champ is in the basic, and assuming the simple numerical odds quoted to us are all there is, you’re likelier to get a particular champ in a basic 6* (although the currency is different).

Honestly, I have no room to criticize. I pick up a few Mega Millions/Powerball tix when it hits 9 digits. Those odds are way way worse, but the cost is small to me and the payoff gigantic, even if all I get there are odd punts.

Dr. Zola

Hrishikesh713

gL4C1eR said:

I recently got Dragon Man from a basic so I definitely know he's in there right this moment.

He is in 5* basic pool but not 6*...he will be added to 6* basic pool tomarrow...!!