Ultron Regeneration not working as intended

LordPSN

As soon as health drops at 50%, Ultron is regenerating. But after that, as soon as health drops to 25%, he is not regenrating. The spotlight shows that he can regenerates at both 50% and 25% threshold. What's going on?

LordPSN

And no.. He is not losing the connection. No stun effects and I tried against Winter Soldier in ROL.

ItsDamien

Once per fight.

Way I read it, if you start at 100% and drop below 50%, you get the heal. Then it can't trigger again in the fight even if you drop below 25% since it's already occurred once.

If you start the next fight below 50% and drop below 25% then it'll trigger. Once.

LordPSN

Nope. It means is that if you fight, you lose your health to 50%. He regenerates once. Then your health drops again to 50%, he won't regenerate till he reach 25% health. After that, he can not regenerate. The wording is same as pre buff Ultron.

ItsDamien

LordPSN said:

Nope. It means is that if you fight, you lose your health to 50%. He regenerates once. Then your health drops again to 50%, he won't regenerate till he reach 25% health. After that, he can not regenerate. The wording is same as pre buff Ultron.

That's not how it's worded though.

When health drops below 50% and 25%

Function (Heal) is once per fight.

If your heal triggers the first time you hit below 50% that's the once per fight. Its not once per 50 and 25. It's once per fight total, at either 50% or 25%. Those are the trigger conditions.

AlexBossu

ItsDamien said:

Once per fight.

Way I read it, if you start at 100% and drop below 50%, you get the heal. Then it can't trigger again in the fight even if you drop below 25% since it's already occurred once.

If you start the next fight below 50% and drop below 25% then it'll trigger. Once.

"And", "once per fight".

The statement is not "when the health drops below 50% 'OR' 25%"

ItsDamien

AlexBossu said:

ItsDamien said:

Once per fight.

Way I read it, if you start at 100% and drop below 50%, you get the heal. Then it can't trigger again in the fight even if you drop below 25% since it's already occurred once.

If you start the next fight below 50% and drop below 25% then it'll trigger. Once.

"And", "once per fight".

The statement is not "when the health drops below 50% 'OR' 25%"

Yes. Because the trigger conditions are 50% and 25%. The heal is only once per fight. That doesn't mean you get 2 heals because you hit the two different trigger conditions. It's whichever trigger you hit first is the one that makes the heal happen and that's it.

Denslo500

Pre-buff he healed at 50 and 25% in the same fight.

Magonus

@Denslo500 that's 100% accurate... pre-buff he healed at 50% then again at 25% in the same fight. 100% for sure. Counted on this and used it a thousand times....

Bendy

Just tested and does regen at 50% then when 25% it says processing then nothing happens so seems like a bug as once per fight of both heals if was just one then it would be just heals at 25% and thats it

Djin

He should regenerate once at 50% and once at 25% every fight. That's how it worked before the buff.

Cop123

The once per fight wording was not to regen once per fight but because he would regen, to prevent him from procing regen every times you get to that threshold during a fight. ex: you are 49%, your proc regen, you get hit again and fall below 50%, you don't proc regen again.

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AMS94

Now he regens only once per fight...either at 50 or at 25
I already told this after the spotlight bcoz the wordings were changed from what it was before, but people didn't want to believe at that time

ItsDamien

TRONG94 said:

ItsDamien said:

AlexBossu said:

ItsDamien said:

Once per fight.

Way I read it, if you start at 100% and drop below 50%, you get the heal. Then it can't trigger again in the fight even if you drop below 25% since it's already occurred once.

If you start the next fight below 50% and drop below 25% then it'll trigger. Once.

"And", "once per fight".

The statement is not "when the health drops below 50% 'OR' 25%"

Yes. Because the trigger conditions are 50% and 25%. The heal is only once per fight. That doesn't mean you get 2 heals because you hit the two different trigger conditions. It's whichever trigger you hit first is the one that makes the heal happen and that's it.

His wording about regen is still the same and he always functioned in the way that he regens every time his health bar is reduced to 50% for the first time AND 25% for the first time in every fight.
For example, you start the fight at 75% health. He takes hit and he has 50% health left, he starts regen.
Now lets say he is at 70% HP. Later he takes damage and back to 50% HP, he doesn't regen this time. If in the same fight he takes damage and now has 25% health, he regens for the second time and he has 35% HP now. Afterwards, if he gets any damage and he hits 25% HP again, he doesn't regen anymore.

Sure. And that's how it may have worked prebuff. But the wording of the function post buff is once per fight he can heal. Not once at 50% and 25%. It can trigger at 50% and 25%, but only once in the fight, depending on which of those trigger conditions is met.

If the function were twice per fight, once at 50% and 25% then the wording would be wrong. But it's simply not how it is currently worded.

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WolverDominator

I remember that if you started a fight at 40%, got below 25%, trigger regen, go back above 50%, then you were able to trigger the 50% regen too. I used it dozens of times in aq (but not recently)
I’ve not tested the v31 for it. The new “once per fight” is unclear/confusing

Djin

ItsDamien said:

TRONG94 said:

ItsDamien said:

AlexBossu said:

ItsDamien said:

Once per fight.

Way I read it, if you start at 100% and drop below 50%, you get the heal. Then it can't trigger again in the fight even if you drop below 25% since it's already occurred once.

If you start the next fight below 50% and drop below 25% then it'll trigger. Once.

"And", "once per fight".

The statement is not "when the health drops below 50% 'OR' 25%"

Yes. Because the trigger conditions are 50% and 25%. The heal is only once per fight. That doesn't mean you get 2 heals because you hit the two different trigger conditions. It's whichever trigger you hit first is the one that makes the heal happen and that's it.

His wording about regen is still the same and he always functioned in the way that he regens every time his health bar is reduced to 50% for the first time AND 25% for the first time in every fight.
For example, you start the fight at 75% health. He takes hit and he has 50% health left, he starts regen.
Now lets say he is at 70% HP. Later he takes damage and back to 50% HP, he doesn't regen this time. If in the same fight he takes damage and now has 25% health, he regens for the second time and he has 35% HP now. Afterwards, if he gets any damage and he hits 25% HP again, he doesn't regen anymore.

Sure. And that's how it may have worked prebuff. But the wording of the function post buff is once per fight he can heal. Not once at 50% and 25%. It can trigger at 50% and 25%, but only once in the fight, depending on which of those trigger conditions is met.

If the function were twice per fight, once at 50% and 25% then the wording would be wrong. But it's simply not how it is currently worded.

I think we can all agree that writing descriptions is not something kabam excels at.

pseudosane

ItsDamien said:

TRONG94 said:

ItsDamien said:

AlexBossu said:

ItsDamien said:

Once per fight.

Way I read it, if you start at 100% and drop below 50%, you get the heal. Then it can't trigger again in the fight even if you drop below 25% since it's already occurred once.

If you start the next fight below 50% and drop below 25% then it'll trigger. Once.

"And", "once per fight".

The statement is not "when the health drops below 50% 'OR' 25%"

Yes. Because the trigger conditions are 50% and 25%. The heal is only once per fight. That doesn't mean you get 2 heals because you hit the two different trigger conditions. It's whichever trigger you hit first is the one that makes the heal happen and that's it.

His wording about regen is still the same and he always functioned in the way that he regens every time his health bar is reduced to 50% for the first time AND 25% for the first time in every fight.
For example, you start the fight at 75% health. He takes hit and he has 50% health left, he starts regen.
Now lets say he is at 70% HP. Later he takes damage and back to 50% HP, he doesn't regen this time. If in the same fight he takes damage and now has 25% health, he regens for the second time and he has 35% HP now. Afterwards, if he gets any damage and he hits 25% HP again, he doesn't regen anymore.

Sure. And that's how it may have worked prebuff. But the wording of the function post buff is once per fight he can heal. Not once at 50% and 25%. It can trigger at 50% and 25%, but only once in the fight, depending on which of those trigger conditions is met.

If the function were twice per fight, once at 50% and 25% then the wording would be wrong. But it's simply not how it is currently worded.

It was worded the same pre buff.

LordPSN

@Kabam Miike Please respond to this. I'm not the only one facing this issue. And wording in the Ultron spotlight is same as pre buff. In the same fight, only word processing is coming but no Regeneration at 25% health. All conditions are met for Regeneration to be active i.e. no lost connection, once per fight etc.

WolverDominator

Wording is different: “function healing: once per fight”
The “functions” have been introduced with the “buff”

pseudosane

WolverDominator said:

Wording is different: “function healing: once per fight”
The “functions” have been introduced with the “buff”

The fact that the functions actually do something, and extra functions have been added. But previously, it was worded similarly for functions, without the onuses he gets now. Function avde and all that isnt new. How it works now, is new.

LordPSN

Its 50% and 25%.
Not 50% or 25%. I just hope that its a bug and not a nerf!

TyEdge

ItsDamien said:

TRONG94 said:

ItsDamien said:

AlexBossu said:

ItsDamien said:

Once per fight.

Way I read it, if you start at 100% and drop below 50%, you get the heal. Then it can't trigger again in the fight even if you drop below 25% since it's already occurred once.

If you start the next fight below 50% and drop below 25% then it'll trigger. Once.

"And", "once per fight".

The statement is not "when the health drops below 50% 'OR' 25%"

Yes. Because the trigger conditions are 50% and 25%. The heal is only once per fight. That doesn't mean you get 2 heals because you hit the two different trigger conditions. It's whichever trigger you hit first is the one that makes the heal happen and that's it.

His wording about regen is still the same and he always functioned in the way that he regens every time his health bar is reduced to 50% for the first time AND 25% for the first time in every fight.
For example, you start the fight at 75% health. He takes hit and he has 50% health left, he starts regen.
Now lets say he is at 70% HP. Later he takes damage and back to 50% HP, he doesn't regen this time. If in the same fight he takes damage and now has 25% health, he regens for the second time and he has 35% HP now. Afterwards, if he gets any damage and he hits 25% HP again, he doesn't regen anymore.

Sure. And that's how it may have worked prebuff. But the wording of the function post buff is once per fight he can heal. Not once at 50% and 25%. It can trigger at 50% and 25%, but only once in the fight, depending on which of those trigger conditions is met.

If the function were twice per fight, once at 50% and 25% then the wording would be wrong. But it's simply not how it is currently worded.

It’s amazing to see someone use such an astronomical number of words, but not be able to distinguish between “and” and “or”

ItsDamien

TyEdge said:

ItsDamien said:

TRONG94 said:

ItsDamien said:

AlexBossu said:

ItsDamien said:

Once per fight.

Way I read it, if you start at 100% and drop below 50%, you get the heal. Then it can't trigger again in the fight even if you drop below 25% since it's already occurred once.

If you start the next fight below 50% and drop below 25% then it'll trigger. Once.

"And", "once per fight".

The statement is not "when the health drops below 50% 'OR' 25%"

Yes. Because the trigger conditions are 50% and 25%. The heal is only once per fight. That doesn't mean you get 2 heals because you hit the two different trigger conditions. It's whichever trigger you hit first is the one that makes the heal happen and that's it.

His wording about regen is still the same and he always functioned in the way that he regens every time his health bar is reduced to 50% for the first time AND 25% for the first time in every fight.
For example, you start the fight at 75% health. He takes hit and he has 50% health left, he starts regen.
Now lets say he is at 70% HP. Later he takes damage and back to 50% HP, he doesn't regen this time. If in the same fight he takes damage and now has 25% health, he regens for the second time and he has 35% HP now. Afterwards, if he gets any damage and he hits 25% HP again, he doesn't regen anymore.

Sure. And that's how it may have worked prebuff. But the wording of the function post buff is once per fight he can heal. Not once at 50% and 25%. It can trigger at 50% and 25%, but only once in the fight, depending on which of those trigger conditions is met.

If the function were twice per fight, once at 50% and 25% then the wording would be wrong. But it's simply not how it is currently worded.

It’s amazing to see someone use such an astronomical number of words, but not be able to distinguish between “and” and “or”

It's also amazing that someone who spent as much time reading this, can't distinguish between once per fight, and once per trigger point. But here we are.

Cop123

ItsDamien said:

TyEdge said:

ItsDamien said:

TRONG94 said:

ItsDamien said:

AlexBossu said:

ItsDamien said:

Once per fight.

Way I read it, if you start at 100% and drop below 50%, you get the heal. Then it can't trigger again in the fight even if you drop below 25% since it's already occurred once.

If you start the next fight below 50% and drop below 25% then it'll trigger. Once.

"And", "once per fight".

The statement is not "when the health drops below 50% 'OR' 25%"

Yes. Because the trigger conditions are 50% and 25%. The heal is only once per fight. That doesn't mean you get 2 heals because you hit the two different trigger conditions. It's whichever trigger you hit first is the one that makes the heal happen and that's it.

His wording about regen is still the same and he always functioned in the way that he regens every time his health bar is reduced to 50% for the first time AND 25% for the first time in every fight.
For example, you start the fight at 75% health. He takes hit and he has 50% health left, he starts regen.
Now lets say he is at 70% HP. Later he takes damage and back to 50% HP, he doesn't regen this time. If in the same fight he takes damage and now has 25% health, he regens for the second time and he has 35% HP now. Afterwards, if he gets any damage and he hits 25% HP again, he doesn't regen anymore.

Sure. And that's how it may have worked prebuff. But the wording of the function post buff is once per fight he can heal. Not once at 50% and 25%. It can trigger at 50% and 25%, but only once in the fight, depending on which of those trigger conditions is met.

If the function were twice per fight, once at 50% and 25% then the wording would be wrong. But it's simply not how it is currently worded.

It’s amazing to see someone use such an astronomical number of words, but not be able to distinguish between “and” and “or”

It's also amazing that someone who spent as much time reading this, can't distinguish between once per fight, and once per trigger point. But here we are.

tell that to Kabam then. It's how he worked pre-buff with the same wording.

Greekhit

ItsDamien said:

Once per fight.

Way I read it, if you start at 100% and drop below 50%, you get the heal. Then it can't trigger again in the fight even if you drop below 25% since it's already occurred once.

If you start the next fight below 50% and drop below 25% then it'll trigger. Once.

If that is intended to happen and not a bug, then the Ultron changes would be more of a rebalance and not a buff.
Stripping away his double regen is a change to the core of the character, and as an owner of an r5 for over 2 years now, having ranked him up considering his double regen also, I would be at least annoyed.
Let’s hope it’s a bug, cause it would be very wrong move from the devs to take that away as op mechanics, cause it’s not. Especially in a game where champs as Quake, Ghost etc. exist.

LordPSN

I give up now. No update from mods. Nothing... I think its a silent nerf then!

te_dua_shum

Mods replied in this thread:

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/267298/ultron-double-regen-got-removed

It seems that he is bugged and should regen twice per fight ^_^