I'm Sorry But How Is This Fair?

So is it right CCP get to practice legends runs to see which champs are faster and the rest of us going for a legends run who aren't CCP members just have to go in and hope for the best?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbW67QAjaHA&ab_channel=LagacyLagacy

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SidDDragon

He went into a 7.1 lane to compare the two champs on a generic lane and made the information public so that others too can benefit from it…how is it different than any other champion showcase video released by CCP members??

Mike81

He went into a 7.1 lane to compare the two champs on a generic lane and made the information public so that others too can benefit from it…how is it different than any other champion showcase video released by CCP members??

so what? he could test it on public servers but hey... he didn't wanted to waste boosts/energy...meanwhile non CCP members can't do that

MrInsanity

SidDDragon

He went into a 7.1 lane to compare the two champs on a generic lane and made the information public so that others too can benefit from it…how is it different than any other champion showcase video released by CCP members??
so what? he could test it on public servers but hey... he didn't wanted to waste boosts/energy...meanwhile non CCP members can't do that

And they can do other champion showcase videos on public servers too?? On that note why give them a testing server to begin with…they should just give all information to u at the expense of their personal items

ItsDamien

He went into a 7.1 lane to compare the two champs on a generic lane and made the information public so that others too can benefit from it…how is it different than any other champion showcase video released by CCP members??
so what? he could test it on public servers but hey... he didn't wanted to waste boosts/energy...meanwhile non CCP members can't do that
And they can do other champion showcase videos on public servers too?? On that note why give them a testing server to begin with…they should just give all information to u at the expense of their personal items

I mean... thats literally how they used to do it.

Mike81

He went into a 7.1 lane to compare the two champs on a generic lane and made the information public so that others too can benefit from it…how is it different than any other champion showcase video released by CCP members??
so what? he could test it on public servers but hey... he didn't wanted to waste boosts/energy...meanwhile non CCP members can't do that
And they can do other champion showcase videos on public servers too?? On that note why give them a testing server to begin with…they should just give all information to u at the expense of their personal items

This wasn't a testing a new champ to show the public how good they are. This was a let's see who's faster to do a legends/mythic run. Most have already done their runs and didn't get to have a separate server with unlimited items to see who can go faster. Any person who would want to do something like this would have to burn their own items on the main server.

Jaded

They use to use their own items to showcase champions and hard fights etc… perks of the job.

SidDDragon

He went into a 7.1 lane to compare the two champs on a generic lane and made the information public so that others too can benefit from it…how is it different than any other champion showcase video released by CCP members??
so what? he could test it on public servers but hey... he didn't wanted to waste boosts/energy...meanwhile non CCP members can't do that
And they can do other champion showcase videos on public servers too?? On that note why give them a testing server to begin with…they should just give all information to u at the expense of their personal items
This wasn't a testing a new champ to show the public how good they are. This was a let's see who's faster to do a legends/mythic run. Most have already done their runs and didn't get to have a separate server with unlimited items to see who can go faster. Any person who would want to do something like this would have to burn their own items on the main server.

Again…how is it different than any other champion showcase video??
Karatemiike does multiple champion videos on older champs…same with seatin or brian grant..or when lagacy literally did an abyss clear to showcase stryfe’s viability
So its cool when they do stuff for u but one little test in a quest which isnt even the quest in question about the legend run and suddenly he is misusing the testing server..Bravo

Demonzfyre

Here we go again. CCP has an advantage....beta testers have an advantage....people with skill have an advantage....

Lags missed the last mythic title with all the same stuff he has now. Move on.

SpideyFunko

while I’m inclined to agree this point would have more weight if lags had the title

BitterSteel

Here we go again. CCP has an advantage....beta testers have an advantage....people with skill have an advantage....

Lags missed the last mythic title with all the same stuff he has now. Move on.

So I agree with you that the beta tester advantage should not be taken away, and it removes the incentive to do the beta testing if they aren’t allowed to do legend runs.

But this isn’t a good point, saying well he failed anyway even with the advantage - so there’s no advantage - is like saying well the steroid taking athlete still lost, so I guess steroids don’t help athletes win.

There are many reasons lagacy may have missed out on the title, and without access to the beta, who knows, maybe he would have taken even longer.

Demonzfyre

Here we go again. CCP has an advantage....beta testers have an advantage....people with skill have an advantage....

Lags missed the last mythic title with all the same stuff he has now. Move on.
So I agree with you that the beta tester advantage should not be taken away, and it removes the incentive to do the beta testing if they aren’t allowed to do legend runs.

But this isn’t a good point, saying well he failed anyway even with the advantage - so there’s no advantage - is like saying well the steroid taking athlete still lost, so I guess steroids don’t help athletes win.

There are many reasons lagacy may have missed out on the title, and without access to the beta, who knows, maybe he would have taken even longer.

There's also no guarantee he does it this time either. Obviously with all the advantages before, he didn't make it and neither did many of the other CCP members. It's not as big of an advantage as one might think.

StevieManWonder

Doesn’t he only test this team in 7.1? How’s that any different than what you can do on the live server

Demonzfyre

Doesn’t he only test this team in 7.1? How’s that any different than what you can do on the live server

There isn't any. That's why it's not a big deal.

Diplodocus

Here we go again. CCP has an advantage....beta testers have an advantage....people with skill have an advantage....

Lags missed the last mythic title with all the same stuff he has now. Move on.

You know why he don't have the tittle..... Of course because of the mercs.....
He has the disadvantage of mercs.... While normal summoners have both disadvantage of mercs and ccp/beta users...... Also I am not against youtubers as they have helped me a lot..... But still it is not fair to others....

Masterpuff

Didnt he test in 7.1?

Diplodocus

Doesn’t he only test this team in 7.1? How’s that any different than what you can do on the live server

But 7.2 was also open for ccp members and beta users.... They might have done multiple runs their without making a video on it!!!!

Demonzfyre

Here we go again. CCP has an advantage....beta testers have an advantage....people with skill have an advantage....

Lags missed the last mythic title with all the same stuff he has now. Move on.
You know why he don't have the tittle..... Of course because of the mercs.....
He has the disadvantage of mercs.... While normal summoners have both disadvantage of mercs and ccp/beta users...... Also I am not against youtubers as they have helped me a lot..... But still it is not fair to others....

Except they've eliminated being able to use a VPN. The only way a Merc can get away with a mythic title run would to be either traditional account share or they meet in real life. As far as I know, there isn't any other way to Merc in a legends title run.

Diplodocus

Except they've eliminated being able to use a VPN. The only way a Merc can get away with a mythic title run would to be either traditional account share or they meet in real life. As far as I know, there isn't any other way to Merc in a legends title run.

Man see your comment which I replied to... You were saying he didnt got mythic title from 7.1 but you forgot that vpn restriction was not present in 7.1 mythic run so that is the reason he didn't got that title......

As far as 7.2 goes he have no disadvantage against mercs but still have advantage against those who don't have access to 7.2 on beta or ccp!!!

Demonzfyre

Except they've eliminated being able to use a VPN. The only way a Merc can get away with a mythic title run would to be either traditional account share or they meet in real life. As far as I know, there isn't any other way to Merc in a legends title run.
Man see your comment which I replied to... You were saying he didnt got mythic title from 7.1 but you forgot that vpn restriction was not present in 7.1 mythic run so that is the reason he didn't got that title......

As far as 7.2 goes he have no disadvantage against mercs but still have advantage against those who don't have access to 7.2 on beta or ccp!!!

You don't know that he didn't get the title because of mercs. There's no way to prove that.

SpideyFunko

Except they've eliminated being able to use a VPN. The only way a Merc can get away with a mythic title run would to be either traditional account share or they meet in real life. As far as I know, there isn't any other way to Merc in a legends title run.
Man see your comment which I replied to... You were saying he didnt got mythic title from 7.1 but you forgot that vpn restriction was not present in 7.1 mythic run so that is the reason he didn't got that title......

As far as 7.2 goes he have no disadvantage against mercs but still have advantage against those who don't have access to 7.2 on beta or ccp!!!
You don't know that he didn't get the title because of mercs. There's no way to prove that.

tell that to lagacy

IKON

You need to weigh the benefits of the CCP existing against the advantages it creates for them. We get videos and information as soon as embargos end now. Every buff is broken down by multiple people as soon as they come out, and you wouldn't have that without the CCP.

Before you suggest it, no one is going to willingly give up the chance at legends run to be a part of the CCP.

Diplodocus

You don't know that he didn't get the title because of mercs. There's no way to prove that.

Everyone knows their were mercs present in list of summoners who won the title... Even kabam knows it and that's why they introduced vpn restriction!!!!!

DNA3000

Here we go again. CCP has an advantage....beta testers have an advantage....people with skill have an advantage....

Lags missed the last mythic title with all the same stuff he has now. Move on.
So I agree with you that the beta tester advantage should not be taken away, and it removes the incentive to do the beta testing if they aren’t allowed to do legend runs.

But this isn’t a good point, saying well he failed anyway even with the advantage - so there’s no advantage - is like saying well the steroid taking athlete still lost, so I guess steroids don’t help athletes win.

There are many reasons lagacy may have missed out on the title, and without access to the beta, who knows, maybe he would have taken even longer.

I think the point is in a world full of small (and not so small) advantages, the CCP advantage is not large enough to make a fuss over. It is no different than saying spenders have an unfair advantage, or iOS users have an unfair advantage, or people who can afford new phones have an unfair advantage, or people who have more free time to spend on the game have an unfair advantage.

The game makes no attempt to provide an absolutely level playing field. Different players will get different things out of the game depending on what they put in. Whales are going to get a big pile of stuff non-whales don't get. Arena grinders will translate their hours of grind into lots of resources other players will not get. Dedicated players who practice their combat skills will get much farther much faster than players who don't. If you decide to become a content creator of this game, and you contribute positively to the game community, and you're willing to participate in the Content Creator Program in a meaningful way, you'll gain access to resources that will make it easier for you to continue to produce that content. Some of those resources will also happen to confer in-game advantages. Other parts of the program will likely generate in-game disadvantages, if for no other reason than due to time expenditures.

Kabam thinks that's a fair exchange, the CCP members think that's a fair exchange (or they wouldn't voluntarily participate) and if there are people who think this is an unfair exchange, well that's unfortunate for them. I can't personally think of a content creator that looks to have gotten significantly more out of the program than they are contributing to it and the community as a whole. If someone thinks the advantages outweigh the costs, they should attempt to become a content creator and qualify for the program.

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Demonzfyre

You don't know that he didn't get the title because of mercs. There's no way to prove that.
Everyone knows their were mercs present in list of summoners who won the title... Even kabam knows it and that's why they introduced vpn restriction!!!!!

Yes but that doesn't mean he solely lost the title because of mercs. That would mean that everyone on the list merc'd.

Karatemike415

Oh man, so Lagacy used the Content Creator Beta server to create content about a quest that came out 6 months ago for the entire world to view?

Just to clear something up, 7.2 has never been available on the CCP Beta server for a single second.

xNig

Let’s put it this way.

Disqualifying beta testers from legends run = making the beta test less effective since the people likely going for the legends run are the most experienced players who usually have the best insights and roster to handle the yet-to-be-introduced content.

If the OP is salty because he didn’t get the title because there are some CCP members who got it, seriously, get good.

You don’t cry that it’s unfair when some players volunteered their time to help the ENTIRE community test out new content. It’s an advantage I’ll gladly give them.

(Side note: there’s no proof that VPN users were not disqualified from the 7.1 runs, neither is there proof that they were not. But from how relatively clean the top 100 is compared to before, it’s definitely an improvement.)

Malreck04

Let's look at this situation objectively. Lagacy, a content creator, used the CCP to compare the performance of two champs in content that has been in the game for a while. Instead of saying "testing for legends run" had he said "testing the two best champs" and there wouldn't have been a legends run from him tomorrow, it would have been the exact same situation, but you wouldn't be here crying,"YoUtUbEr BaD"

MattMan

CCP beta is absolutely an advantage and everyone should have access to the freebies to test rank ups and counters as often as they want.