By your definition he was nerfed. Not by the literal definition because something would have had to change for the literal definition of nerf to be applied here.
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
By your definition he was nerfed. Not by the literal definition because something would have had to change for the literal definition of nerf to be applied here.
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
By your definition he was nerfed. Not by the literal definition because something would have had to change for the literal definition of nerf to be applied here.
It's your opinion that it's a nerf.
Honestly, just take the L. Zero logic.
Definitions are not up for interpretation.
LOL. I mean, no they aren't but your interpretation of what's happening is. A bug is something that causes another thing to act incorrectly. I can say this is the literal definition of a bug just like you can sit there and say it's the literal definition of a nerf.
it's only your opinion that it's a nerf, it's not a fact. It hasn't been confirmed ad such but it has been confirmed it's working as intended and it was a bug. So maybe you should take the L and walk away now.
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
And despite numerous published Youtube videos showcasing this “bug” as one of the strengths of an awakened Hercules, Kabam came to know of this “bug” just now and decided to silently remove/fix it, without any announcement or advance notice? As if this “bug” never existed?? That’s a classic Kabam move, I would say.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
We all understand that Kabam, as the game developer, call all the shots here, but lets call spade a spade - Kabam messed up big time here, especially by trying to “fix” a “bug” silently and their covert action unfortunately speaks volumes about their intention.
The Abilities are clear. It's removed by a Special 3. This isn't the first time people have jumped on an Ability that was advertised on YouTube and not working as intended.
the controversy is that it uses the word "removed" when it doesn't even activate
It can't activate if the Damage being taken is what removes it. Honestly, it's loop-hole fishing.
The sp3 damage being taken activates immortality. Signature ability clearly states "Once per fight when *reciving damage that would result in a knockout*, gain an immortality buff". You cant deny that sp3 knockout straight up doesn't activate immortality, when sp3 damage IS still damage that results in a knock out.
That's word soup. 0+2-2=0 An L3 was never intended to be bypassed by this mechanic. No Champ is supposed to tank an L3 and go into Immortality that can be lengthened by using Specials. If people can't see how that's overly-OP, then I have no idea how to spell it out further. You can't apply a Buff to the very thing that removes it.
By your definition he was nerfed. Not by the literal definition because something would have had to change for the literal definition of nerf to be applied here.
It's your opinion that it's a nerf.
Honestly, just take the L. Zero logic.
Definitions are not up for interpretation.
LOL. I mean, no they aren't but your interpretation of what's happening is. A bug is something that causes another thing to act incorrectly. I can say this is the literal definition of a bug just like you can sit there and say it's the literal definition of a nerf.
it's only your opinion that it's a nerf, it's not a fact. It hasn't been confirmed ad such but it has been confirmed it's working as intended and it was a bug. So maybe you should take the L and walk away now.
We apologise for any inconvenience and confusion caused. We have shared your thoughts and feedback with the team and they will look into some clarification for Hercules' Signature Ability description. For now, we confirm once more that Hercules is working as intended. Thank you for your understanding.
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
And despite numerous published Youtube videos showcasing this “bug” as one of the strengths of an awakened Hercules, Kabam came to know of this “bug” just now and decided to silently remove/fix it, without any announcement or advance notice? As if this “bug” never existed?? That’s a classic Kabam move, I would say.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
We all understand that Kabam, as the game developer, call all the shots here, but lets call spade a spade - Kabam messed up big time here, especially by trying to “fix” a “bug” silently and their covert action unfortunately speaks volumes about their intention.
That’s a huge assumption. There are many more avenues than the forums for bug reporting; additionally anyone who did report it via other avenues aren’t likely to stand up and volunteer themselves to suffer your wrath.
Additionally the right people need to be made aware of a bugged interaction to correct it so the mere presence of a video or any other material does not evidence the right people were aware.
The whole argument that it never proc'd to begin with is invalid because the very thing that procs it is the L3 that removes it. You can't break it down into individual Hits within an L3 because it's one entire action. Unless you have some freak situation where the very last HP of an L3 is the KO, applying after the fact just doesn't exist.
@Kabam Boo - maybe you could close this thread. There's nothing constructive going on in here and it's becoming flame wars and petty arguments about a couple of lines of text on the champion ability description.
The squabbling over the description of the signature ability is irrelevant. It's a very ambiguous description of his ability allowing interpretation both ways.
What is a lot more transparent is that there wasn't a single person calling out that he was bugged when he was both tanking sp3s as a defender in quest and in several YouTube video's by well known players. Kabam may not be responsible for material shared in other people's videos but they should be aware that these video's will reach a large population of the community and should step in immediately to inform us that the champion in question was not designed to operate that way.
Arguing over the wording in the ability description is irrelevant when there was physical and visual evidence that he was already tanking sp3s in the game.
By your definition he was nerfed. Not by the literal definition because something would have had to change for the literal definition of nerf to be applied here.
It's your opinion that it's a nerf.
Honestly, just take the L. Zero logic.
Definitions are not up for interpretation.
LOL. I mean, no they aren't but your interpretation of what's happening is. A bug is something that causes another thing to act incorrectly. I can say this is the literal definition of a bug just like you can sit there and say it's the literal definition of a nerf.
it's only your opinion that it's a nerf, it's not a fact. It hasn't been confirmed ad such but it has been confirmed it's working as intended and it was a bug. So maybe you should take the L and walk away now.
Nerf.
Watch me.
Bug
Watch me...whip... Watch me nae nae.. watch me whip...
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Someone correct me if my understanding is wrong.
Its not that SP3 is preventing immortality from triggering. The immortality still triggers during the sp3 but is instantaneously removed during the sp3 itself. Due to this instantaneous removal, immortality is not able to save hercules and he gets KOed.
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
And despite numerous published Youtube videos showcasing this “bug” as one of the strengths of an awakened Hercules, Kabam came to know of this “bug” just now and decided to silently remove/fix it, without any announcement or advance notice? As if this “bug” never existed?? That’s a classic Kabam move, I would say.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
We all understand that Kabam, as the game developer, call all the shots here, but lets call spade a spade - Kabam messed up big time here, especially by trying to “fix” a “bug” silently and their covert action unfortunately speaks volumes about their intention.
Your taking CCP videos as gospel. They aren't. They don't always have a full understanding of the champ as they are just getting to test them. They aren't Kabam spokesperson and are subject to being wrong as well. Not a single video came out that I can find of a CCP before the EQ started showcases what you call his ability.
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
And despite numerous published Youtube videos showcasing this “bug” as one of the strengths of an awakened Hercules, Kabam came to know of this “bug” just now and decided to silently remove/fix it, without any announcement or advance notice? As if this “bug” never existed?? That’s a classic Kabam move, I would say.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
We all understand that Kabam, as the game developer, call all the shots here, but lets call spade a spade - Kabam messed up big time here, especially by trying to “fix” a “bug” silently and their covert action unfortunately speaks volumes about their intention.
Your taking CCP videos as gospel. They aren't. They don't always have a full understanding of the champ as they are just getting to test them. They aren't Kabam spokesperson and are subject to being wrong as well. Not a single video came out that I can find of a CCP before the EQ started showcases what you call his ability.
And nobody thought of questioning or pointing out this “bug” till Kabam decided to silently nerf… “fix” the “bug”? Not a single Youtuber? Nobody?? Even though such a “bug” was so obvious and glaring when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
And this proves my point - that there’s no point arguing over this. Anyways, Kabam calls all the shots…including calling something a “bug” and “fixing” it covertly. We’re just wasting our breathe arguing. Kabam’s already minted enough $$$$$$ from the countless featured Cavalier crystals players bought, hoping to pull Hercules. And now that the hype’s dying down, bring down Hercules a notch or two. Classic!
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
And despite numerous published Youtube videos showcasing this “bug” as one of the strengths of an awakened Hercules, Kabam came to know of this “bug” just now and decided to silently remove/fix it, without any announcement or advance notice? As if this “bug” never existed?? That’s a classic Kabam move, I would say.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
We all understand that Kabam, as the game developer, call all the shots here, but lets call spade a spade - Kabam messed up big time here, especially by trying to “fix” a “bug” silently and their covert action unfortunately speaks volumes about their intention.
Your taking CCP videos as gospel. They aren't. They don't always have a full understanding of the champ as they are just getting to test them. They aren't Kabam spokesperson and are subject to being wrong as well. Not a single video came out that I can find of a CCP before the EQ started showcases what you call his ability.
And nobody thought of questioning or pointing out this “bug” till Kabam decided to silently nerf… “fix” the “bug”? Not a single Youtuber? Nobody?? Even though such a “bug” was so obvious and glaring when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
Pretty sure Seatin did. I remember watching one of his videos and he was surprised he didn't die. Infact I remember there being a thread early on with info about his Sp3 because he wasn't dying.
I never used Sp3s on him from what I can remember so I never would have thought to ask.
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
And despite numerous published Youtube videos showcasing this “bug” as one of the strengths of an awakened Hercules, Kabam came to know of this “bug” just now and decided to silently remove/fix it, without any announcement or advance notice? As if this “bug” never existed?? That’s a classic Kabam move, I would say.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
We all understand that Kabam, as the game developer, call all the shots here, but lets call spade a spade - Kabam messed up big time here, especially by trying to “fix” a “bug” silently and their covert action unfortunately speaks volumes about their intention.
Your taking CCP videos as gospel. They aren't. They don't always have a full understanding of the champ as they are just getting to test them. They aren't Kabam spokesperson and are subject to being wrong as well. Not a single video came out that I can find of a CCP before the EQ started showcases what you call his ability.
And nobody thought of questioning or pointing out this “bug” till Kabam decided to silently nerf… “fix” the “bug”? Not a single Youtuber? Nobody?? Even though such a “bug” was so obvious and glaring when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
And this proves my point - that there’s no point arguing over this. Anyways, Kabam calls all the shots…including calling something a “bug” and “fixing” it covertly. We’re just wasting our breathe arguing. Kabam’s already minted enough $$$$$$ from the countless featured Cavalier crystals players bought, hoping to pull Hercules. And now that the hype’s dying down, bring down Hercules a notch or two. Classic!
Have you seen what happens to people when they report "pro player" bugs on these forums?
So Hercules isn't a good champ now he can't tank an Sp3? That one little tidbit changes him from god tier to trash?
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
And despite numerous published Youtube videos showcasing this “bug” as one of the strengths of an awakened Hercules, Kabam came to know of this “bug” just now and decided to silently remove/fix it, without any announcement or advance notice? As if this “bug” never existed?? That’s a classic Kabam move, I would say.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
We all understand that Kabam, as the game developer, call all the shots here, but lets call spade a spade - Kabam messed up big time here, especially by trying to “fix” a “bug” silently and their covert action unfortunately speaks volumes about their intention.
Your taking CCP videos as gospel. They aren't. They don't always have a full understanding of the champ as they are just getting to test them. They aren't Kabam spokesperson and are subject to being wrong as well. Not a single video came out that I can find of a CCP before the EQ started showcases what you call his ability.
And nobody thought of questioning or pointing out this “bug” till Kabam decided to silently nerf… “fix” the “bug”? Not a single Youtuber? Nobody?? Even though such a “bug” was so obvious and glaring when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
And this proves my point - that there’s no point arguing over this. Anyways, Kabam calls all the shots…including calling something a “bug” and “fixing” it covertly. We’re just wasting our breathe arguing. Kabam’s already minted enough $$$$$$ from the countless featured Cavalier crystals players bought, hoping to pull Hercules. And now that the hype’s dying down, bring down Hercules a notch or two. Classic!
Have you seen what happens to people when they report "pro player" bugs on these forums?
So Hercules isn't a good champ now he can't tank an Sp3? That one little tidbit changes him from god tier to trash?
No Hercules isn’t trash now but he’s certainly lesser of an OP god that Youtubers had made him out to be.
And yes, it’s strange that there’s an uproar over the “little tidbit changes”. But, it’s stranger that Kabam would care to silently make this “little tidbit change”.
All this uproar proves that it would have done Kabam and the player base a whole lot of good if Kabam had announced about the “fix” before “fixing” him. Given Kabam’s history of silently nerfing OP champions, the players are justified to think that this is another silent nerf.
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
And despite numerous published Youtube videos showcasing this “bug” as one of the strengths of an awakened Hercules, Kabam came to know of this “bug” just now and decided to silently remove/fix it, without any announcement or advance notice? As if this “bug” never existed?? That’s a classic Kabam move, I would say.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
We all understand that Kabam, as the game developer, call all the shots here, but lets call spade a spade - Kabam messed up big time here, especially by trying to “fix” a “bug” silently and their covert action unfortunately speaks volumes about their intention.
Your taking CCP videos as gospel. They aren't. They don't always have a full understanding of the champ as they are just getting to test them. They aren't Kabam spokesperson and are subject to being wrong as well. Not a single video came out that I can find of a CCP before the EQ started showcases what you call his ability.
And nobody thought of questioning or pointing out this “bug” till Kabam decided to silently nerf… “fix” the “bug”? Not a single Youtuber? Nobody?? Even though such a “bug” was so obvious and glaring when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
And this proves my point - that there’s no point arguing over this. Anyways, Kabam calls all the shots…including calling something a “bug” and “fixing” it covertly. We’re just wasting our breathe arguing. Kabam’s already minted enough $$$$$$ from the countless featured Cavalier crystals players bought, hoping to pull Hercules. And now that the hype’s dying down, bring down Hercules a notch or two. Classic!
Have you seen what happens to people when they report "pro player" bugs on these forums?
So Hercules isn't a good champ now he can't tank an Sp3? That one little tidbit changes him from god tier to trash?
No Hercules isn’t trash now but he’s certainly lesser of an OP god that Youtubers had made him out to be.
And yes, it’s strange that there’s an uproar over the “little tidbit changes”. But, it’s stranger that Kabam would care to silently make this “little tidbit change”.
All this uproar proves that it would have done Kabam and the player base a whole lot of good if Kabam had announced about the “fix” before “fixing” him. Given Kabam’s history of silently nerfing OP champions, the players are justified to think that this is another silent nerf.
No one's arguing that they shouldn't have announced it. Everyone has said there should have been something said like in the hotfix notes or a sticky thread.
Kabam doesn't have a history of silently nerfing champs. Bishop is literally the only champ that has been anything anywhere near a silent nerf. I'm sure you're an expert though and can list all the silently nerfed champs in Kabams history though. So list them all out for me.
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
And despite numerous published Youtube videos showcasing this “bug” as one of the strengths of an awakened Hercules, Kabam came to know of this “bug” just now and decided to silently remove/fix it, without any announcement or advance notice? As if this “bug” never existed?? That’s a classic Kabam move, I would say.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
We all understand that Kabam, as the game developer, call all the shots here, but lets call spade a spade - Kabam messed up big time here, especially by trying to “fix” a “bug” silently and their covert action unfortunately speaks volumes about their intention.
Your taking CCP videos as gospel. They aren't. They don't always have a full understanding of the champ as they are just getting to test them. They aren't Kabam spokesperson and are subject to being wrong as well. Not a single video came out that I can find of a CCP before the EQ started showcases what you call his ability.
And nobody thought of questioning or pointing out this “bug” till Kabam decided to silently nerf… “fix” the “bug”? Not a single Youtuber? Nobody?? Even though such a “bug” was so obvious and glaring when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
And this proves my point - that there’s no point arguing over this. Anyways, Kabam calls all the shots…including calling something a “bug” and “fixing” it covertly. We’re just wasting our breathe arguing. Kabam’s already minted enough $$$$$$ from the countless featured Cavalier crystals players bought, hoping to pull Hercules. And now that the hype’s dying down, bring down Hercules a notch or two. Classic!
Have you seen what happens to people when they report "pro player" bugs on these forums?
So Hercules isn't a good champ now he can't tank an Sp3? That one little tidbit changes him from god tier to trash?
No Hercules isn’t trash now but he’s certainly lesser of an OP god that Youtubers had made him out to be.
And yes, it’s strange that there’s an uproar over the “little tidbit changes”. But, it’s stranger that Kabam would care to silently make this “little tidbit change”.
All this uproar proves that it would have done Kabam and the player base a whole lot of good if Kabam had announced about the “fix” before “fixing” him. Given Kabam’s history of silently nerfing OP champions, the players are justified to think that this is another silent nerf.
No one's arguing that they shouldn't have announced it. Everyone has said there should have been something said like in the hotfix notes or a sticky thread.
Kabam doesn't have a history of silently nerfing champs. Bishop is literally the only champ that has been anything anywhere near a silent nerf. I'm sure you're an expert though and can list all the silently nerfed champs in Kabams history though. So list them all out for me.
I’m not trying to be adversarial here. Anyways, I’m done discussing about this because as I said before - Kabam calls all the shots here.
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
And despite numerous published Youtube videos showcasing this “bug” as one of the strengths of an awakened Hercules, Kabam came to know of this “bug” just now and decided to silently remove/fix it, without any announcement or advance notice? As if this “bug” never existed?? That’s a classic Kabam move, I would say.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
We all understand that Kabam, as the game developer, call all the shots here, but lets call spade a spade - Kabam messed up big time here, especially by trying to “fix” a “bug” silently and their covert action unfortunately speaks volumes about their intention.
Your taking CCP videos as gospel. They aren't. They don't always have a full understanding of the champ as they are just getting to test them. They aren't Kabam spokesperson and are subject to being wrong as well. Not a single video came out that I can find of a CCP before the EQ started showcases what you call his ability.
And nobody thought of questioning or pointing out this “bug” till Kabam decided to silently nerf… “fix” the “bug”? Not a single Youtuber? Nobody?? Even though such a “bug” was so obvious and glaring when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
And this proves my point - that there’s no point arguing over this. Anyways, Kabam calls all the shots…including calling something a “bug” and “fixing” it covertly. We’re just wasting our breathe arguing. Kabam’s already minted enough $$$$$$ from the countless featured Cavalier crystals players bought, hoping to pull Hercules. And now that the hype’s dying down, bring down Hercules a notch or two. Classic!
Have you seen what happens to people when they report "pro player" bugs on these forums?
So Hercules isn't a good champ now he can't tank an Sp3? That one little tidbit changes him from god tier to trash?
No Hercules isn’t trash now but he’s certainly lesser of an OP god that Youtubers had made him out to be.
And yes, it’s strange that there’s an uproar over the “little tidbit changes”. But, it’s stranger that Kabam would care to silently make this “little tidbit change”.
All this uproar proves that it would have done Kabam and the player base a whole lot of good if Kabam had announced about the “fix” before “fixing” him. Given Kabam’s history of silently nerfing OP champions, the players are justified to think that this is another silent nerf.
No one's arguing that they shouldn't have announced it. Everyone has said there should have been something said like in the hotfix notes or a sticky thread.
Kabam doesn't have a history of silently nerfing champs. Bishop is literally the only champ that has been anything anywhere near a silent nerf. I'm sure you're an expert though and can list all the silently nerfed champs in Kabams history though. So list them all out for me.
I’m not trying to be adversarial here. Anyways, I’m done discussing about this because as I said before - Kabam calls all the shots here.
Lol of course. Makes a bold claim about a history of silently nerfed champs and now when asked to provide that history, now you're not trying to be adversarial and won't say anymore. Lol what a trip
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
And despite numerous published Youtube videos showcasing this “bug” as one of the strengths of an awakened Hercules, Kabam came to know of this “bug” just now and decided to silently remove/fix it, without any announcement or advance notice? As if this “bug” never existed?? That’s a classic Kabam move, I would say.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
That shot was called when they designed him. Not in response to him behaving that way. The bug was entirely too OP. Had it been something more benign, I'm sure they would have considered keeping it. They've done the same in the past. Why wasn't anyone bringing it up? Wishful thinking to be honest. A month full of pushed back content and Parry and Dex issues, and people were looking for icing on the cake. He's an amazing Champ without tanking it. Just not a skeleton key. YouTube isn't the last word. If people are not sure, the only place to get those answers is here. Especially when we're talking going all out for something. Most people weren't even looking for it. They were trying to do umpteen passes of the SQ and EQ with a number of issues present. None of this changes the fact that it isn't an intended interaction.
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
And despite numerous published Youtube videos showcasing this “bug” as one of the strengths of an awakened Hercules, Kabam came to know of this “bug” just now and decided to silently remove/fix it, without any announcement or advance notice? As if this “bug” never existed?? That’s a classic Kabam move, I would say.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
We all understand that Kabam, as the game developer, call all the shots here, but lets call spade a spade - Kabam messed up big time here, especially by trying to “fix” a “bug” silently and their covert action unfortunately speaks volumes about their intention.
Your taking CCP videos as gospel. They aren't. They don't always have a full understanding of the champ as they are just getting to test them. They aren't Kabam spokesperson and are subject to being wrong as well. Not a single video came out that I can find of a CCP before the EQ started showcases what you call his ability.
And nobody thought of questioning or pointing out this “bug” till Kabam decided to silently nerf… “fix” the “bug”? Not a single Youtuber? Nobody?? Even though such a “bug” was so obvious and glaring when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
And this proves my point - that there’s no point arguing over this. Anyways, Kabam calls all the shots…including calling something a “bug” and “fixing” it covertly. We’re just wasting our breathe arguing. Kabam’s already minted enough $$$$$$ from the countless featured Cavalier crystals players bought, hoping to pull Hercules. And now that the hype’s dying down, bring down Hercules a notch or two. Classic!
Have you seen what happens to people when they report "pro player" bugs on these forums?
So Hercules isn't a good champ now he can't tank an Sp3? That one little tidbit changes him from god tier to trash?
No Hercules isn’t trash now but he’s certainly lesser of an OP god that Youtubers had made him out to be.
And yes, it’s strange that there’s an uproar over the “little tidbit changes”. But, it’s stranger that Kabam would care to silently make this “little tidbit change”.
All this uproar proves that it would have done Kabam and the player base a whole lot of good if Kabam had announced about the “fix” before “fixing” him. Given Kabam’s history of silently nerfing OP champions, the players are justified to think that this is another silent nerf.
No one's arguing that they shouldn't have announced it. Everyone has said there should have been something said like in the hotfix notes or a sticky thread.
Kabam doesn't have a history of silently nerfing champs. Bishop is literally the only champ that has been anything anywhere near a silent nerf. I'm sure you're an expert though and can list all the silently nerfed champs in Kabams history though. So list them all out for me.
I’m not trying to be adversarial here. Anyways, I’m done discussing about this because as I said before - Kabam calls all the shots here.
Lol of course. Makes a bold claim about a history of silently nerfed champs and now when asked to provide that history, now you're not trying to be adversarial and won't say anymore. Lol what a trip
Isn’t Bishop history enough? Perhaps not enough for you.
No, it's not history enough. You literally said they have a history of silently nerfing OP champions. Champions is plural which means more than one. Bishop is one champ and he's not OP so that wouldn't even qualify for what you said.
The thing that is defined to be removed by sp3s is now being removed by sp3s? For shame!
How can one remove something that is not yet there? That what we call magic!
If something is not there he should die anyways.
I would kindly refer you to reread his sig ability and FuzzyCat’s first post. The immortality buff applies on a knockout blow. If it has not been applied, it therefore cannot be removed.
With your logic, it not only applies but is then immediately removed…mind you all during one sp3. 😂 Funny I never see any buffs during the sp3 animations?
Applies on a knockout blow yes EXCEPT IS REMOVED BY SPECIAL ATTACK 3. He goes to zero health in SP3, immortality can't activate and he dies because it's an SP3.
This has been in his written abilities since day 1. This info hasn't ever changed.
Even to your point of "not seeing buffs during sp3 animations" it even calls out that it pauses during his SP3. Of course no buffs are show on SP3's because of the cut scene type of animation. Doesn't mean that they aren't there or have activated.
Ummm….I fail to understand how the word “removed” can have the same meaning as “prevented from triggering”. By fixing the so-called bug, Kabam literally “prevented” the immortality buff from “triggering” in case of SP3 attack and did not “remove” it.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Hi folks, Hercules' Signature ability is currently working as intended in this case. We apologise that there was a bug before, but it has since been resolved by our team.
Please refer to Hercules' Champion Spotlight for the full description of his Signature Ability:
Signature Ability - Son of Zeus
- Once per fight when receiving damage that would result in a knockout, gain an Immortality Buff preventing death and making Hercules Unblockable for 9.00 seconds. Immortality is paused during personal Special Attacks or while landing Basic Attacks and is removed if struck by Special Attack 3.
And despite numerous published Youtube videos showcasing this “bug” as one of the strengths of an awakened Hercules, Kabam came to know of this “bug” just now and decided to silently remove/fix it, without any announcement or advance notice? As if this “bug” never existed?? That’s a classic Kabam move, I would say.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
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It's your opinion that it's a nerf.
When I read that immortality buff is “removed if struck by Special Attack 3”, I understand it as meaning that if the opponent fires a special attack 3 AFTER Hercules immortality buff has been activated and while that buff is ACTIVE, then that buff will be removed.
Someone correct me if my understanding is wrong.
Definitions are not up for interpretation.
it's only your opinion that it's a nerf, it's not a fact. It hasn't been confirmed ad such but it has been confirmed it's working as intended and it was a bug. So maybe you should take the L and walk away now.
And what’s more interesting is that if it was a “bug” all along, how come no player (especially those who are vigorously defending Kabam now) pointed out this “bug” in the forums or elsewhere?? Especially those who faced this “bug” when fighting against Hercules boss in the monthly Cavalier EQ?
We all understand that Kabam, as the game developer, call all the shots here, but lets call spade a spade - Kabam messed up big time here, especially by trying to “fix” a “bug” silently and their covert action unfortunately speaks volumes about their intention.
An L3 was never intended to be bypassed by this mechanic. No Champ is supposed to tank an L3 and go into Immortality that can be lengthened by using Specials. If people can't see how that's overly-OP, then I have no idea how to spell it out further. You can't apply a Buff to the very thing that removes it.
Watch me.
Additionally the right people need to be made aware of a bugged interaction to correct it so the mere presence of a video or any other material does not evidence the right people were aware.
A bug is a bug, they get fixed.
The squabbling over the description of the signature ability is irrelevant. It's a very ambiguous description of his ability allowing interpretation both ways.
What is a lot more transparent is that there wasn't a single person calling out that he was bugged when he was both tanking sp3s as a defender in quest and in several YouTube video's by well known players. Kabam may not be responsible for material shared in other people's videos but they should be aware that these video's will reach a large population of the community and should step in immediately to inform us that the champion in question was not designed to operate that way.
Arguing over the wording in the ability description is irrelevant when there was physical and visual evidence that he was already tanking sp3s in the game.
Watch me...whip... Watch me nae nae.. watch me whip...
And this proves my point - that there’s no point arguing over this. Anyways, Kabam calls all the shots…including calling something a “bug” and “fixing” it covertly. We’re just wasting our breathe arguing. Kabam’s already minted enough $$$$$$ from the countless featured Cavalier crystals players bought, hoping to pull Hercules. And now that the hype’s dying down, bring down Hercules a notch or two. Classic!
I never used Sp3s on him from what I can remember so I never would have thought to ask.
So Hercules isn't a good champ now he can't tank an Sp3? That one little tidbit changes him from god tier to trash?
And yes, it’s strange that there’s an uproar over the “little tidbit changes”. But, it’s stranger that Kabam would care to silently make this “little tidbit change”.
All this uproar proves that it would have done Kabam and the player base a whole lot of good if Kabam had announced about the “fix” before “fixing” him. Given Kabam’s history of silently nerfing OP champions, the players are justified to think that this is another silent nerf.
Kabam doesn't have a history of silently nerfing champs. Bishop is literally the only champ that has been anything anywhere near a silent nerf. I'm sure you're an expert though and can list all the silently nerfed champs in Kabams history though. So list them all out for me.
Why wasn't anyone bringing it up? Wishful thinking to be honest. A month full of pushed back content and Parry and Dex issues, and people were looking for icing on the cake. He's an amazing Champ without tanking it. Just not a skeleton key. YouTube isn't the last word. If people are not sure, the only place to get those answers is here. Especially when we're talking going all out for something. Most people weren't even looking for it. They were trying to do umpteen passes of the SQ and EQ with a number of issues present.
None of this changes the fact that it isn't an intended interaction.
Bishop should have been nerfed anyway.
Instead they once again choose to forego any type of communication and stir the pot against themselves.
I do wonder what goes on at that HQ of theirs.