Venom Power Drain

Why does he get power drained here
It doesn't happen on other nodes that power drain the attacker....but on this node it happened fr some reason
It's the node where u lose power when the defender throws a special attack

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Hilbert_unbeatable2

Why does he get power drained here
It doesn't happen on other nodes that power drain the attacker....but on this node it happened fr some reason
It's the node where u lose power when the defender throws a special attack

Intresting interaction

Squirrelguy

You're gonna have to explain the situation, or the question better. How it seems is: "why does he get power drained on this node that drains his power?"

Also, a picture of the node combination would help. Alternatively, you may just not be aware of several of Peni Parker's abilities (which is fair because she's super new), and maybe they are triggering this. Here are descriptions of several of her power burn effects:

CrimsonBadger

You're gonna have to explain the situation, or the question better. How it seems is: "why does he get power drained on this node that drains his power?"

Also, a picture of the node combination would help. Alternatively, you may just not be aware of several of Peni Parker's abilities (which is fair because she's super new), and maybe they are triggering this. Here are descriptions of several of her power burn effects:

Gamer

You're gonna have to explain the situation, or the question better. How it seems is: "why does he get power drained on this node that drains his power?"

Also, a picture of the node combination would help. Alternatively, you may just not be aware of several of Peni Parker's abilities (which is fair because she's super new), and maybe they are triggering this. Here are descriptions of several of her power burn effects:

Venom is immune to power drain when facing tech

GrandOldKai

Is it Power Struggle? (the one where you can't get power unless the defender gets a bar, but when the defender uses a special the attacker's power is zeroed)

I think this is a weird case of having a Power Drain HUD popup but actually being something like (attacker.power = 0)

I don't know if anyone is actually immune to this.

AMS94

You're gonna have to explain the situation, or the question better. How it seems is: "why does he get power drained on this node that drains his power?"

Also, a picture of the node combination would help. Alternatively, you may just not be aware of several of Peni Parker's abilities (which is fair because she's super new), and maybe they are triggering this. Here are descriptions of several of her power burn effects:

Venom is completely immune to power drain & burn against tech champions
This is a reason he's one of the best counters to Peni Parker
This includes power drain/burn from anything, be it the champion's own abilities or interaction with a node
This is the first time I've seen him getting power drained against a tech champ since his buff & hence an explanation regarding this interaction will be appreciable
I assumed everyone in the community (who's not a newbie) is aware of this that's why I framed the question like this fr it to be as short as possible
I didn't remember the name of the node that's why explained what the node does

AMS94

Is it Power Struggle? (the one where you can't get power unless the defender gets a bar, but when the defender uses a special the attacker's power is zeroed)

I think this is a weird case of having a Power Drain HUD popup but actually being something like (attacker.power = 0)

I don't know if anyone is actually immune to this.

Yes it's power struggle....chapter 3.2 in Cavalier event quest

te_dua_shum

the problem is in the word "Drained" that appears on the screen: Power Struggle doesn't drain your power, it removes it, so it can't be prevented by Venom's Power Drain Immunity ^_^

Shadowstrike

Venom doesn't get power drain by Tech. Same thing with King Groot now

Malreck04

It has to be bug, I don't care if the code of the node bypasses Venom, it literally says Power Drain and not some pathetic excuse.

Shadowstrike

No Venom can still be affected by nodes. I've used Venom all the time and AQ with tranquility and even when I had class Advantage I still lost power along with all my active Buffs because that's what the node is doing, not the champ you fighting

te_dua_shum

It has to be bug, I don't care if the code of the node bypasses Venom, it literally says Power Drain and not some pathetic excuse.

What bug are you seeing? Venom isn't immune to "Power Removal" so he can still be affected by the node. The fact that the word is wrong doesn't mean that it's a bug.
Should kabam correct this (and a lot more) text error? Absolutely. But to use a text error as a pretext to call "bugged" an interaction that you don't like and want to have changed is what I would call "a pathetic excuse", to use your words. ^_^

Malreck04

It has to be bug, I don't care if the code of the node bypasses Venom, it literally says Power Drain and not some pathetic excuse.
What bug are you seeing? Venom isn't immune to "Power Removal" so he can still be affected by the node. The fact that the word is wrong doesn't mean that it's a bug.
Should kabam correct this (and a lot more) text error? Absolutely. But to use a text error as a pretext to call "bugged" an interaction that you don't like and want to have changed is what I would call "a pathetic excuse", to use your words. ^_^

As long as it says "Power Drain", it's a bug.

If Kabam were to change the wording, it would be a petty move but it wouldn't be a bug.

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Bendy

It has to be bug, I don't care if the code of the node bypasses Venom, it literally says Power Drain and not some pathetic excuse.
What bug are you seeing? Venom isn't immune to "Power Removal" so he can still be affected by the node. The fact that the word is wrong doesn't mean that it's a bug.
Should kabam correct this (and a lot more) text error? Absolutely. But to use a text error as a pretext to call "bugged" an interaction that you don't like and want to have changed is what I would call "a pathetic excuse", to use your words. ^_^
As long as it says "Power Drain", it's a bug.

If Kabam were to change the wording, it would be a petty move but it wouldn't be a bug.

If they changed the wording it would be working as intended due to it is a removal not a drain so if they changed wording for it in fight then it be working as described and venom isnt immune to power removal

TimestoneAdarsH

You're gonna have to explain the situation, or the question better. How it seems is: "why does he get power drained on this node that drains his power?"

Also, a picture of the node combination would help. Alternatively, you may just not be aware of several of Peni Parker's abilities (which is fair because she's super new), and maybe they are triggering this. Here are descriptions of several of her power burn effects:

Venom is Immune to Power Manipulation vs Tech In any Circumstances

Chikel

No Venom can still be affected by nodes. I've used Venom all the time and AQ with tranquility and even when I had class Advantage I still lost power along with all my active Buffs because that's what the node is doing, not the champ you fighting

Nodes are defender's abilities. The problem here is that the node removes power not "drain" it but the pop up text says power drain which is confusing. Placd a tech champ on burden of might and Venom will not be power drained because of his immunities against tech champs.

The_Sentry06

You're gonna have to explain the situation, or the question better. How it seems is: "why does he get power drained on this node that drains his power?"

Also, a picture of the node combination would help. Alternatively, you may just not be aware of several of Peni Parker's abilities (which is fair because she's super new), and maybe they are triggering this. Here are descriptions of several of her power burn effects:

Venom is Immune to Power Manipulation vs Tech In any Circumstances

Power burn and power drain immunity =/= complete power manipulation immunity.

AMS94

All those saying power is removed not drained
The node Power Struggle says the attacker "loses" power
There's another node called Burden of Might & it also says the attacker "loses" 25% of it's power
Venom is immune to Burden of Might's power "removal" & I know this bcoz I used to take the Burden of Might lane in Map 5 with Venom & that lane only has tech defenders
So how is it that the node uses same words i.e. loses fr the effect but the actual effect is different
Not just that but I've used Venom on other power loss nodes as well & his immunity has worked fr all of them
Also, it is irrelevant what the technical background interaction is in the code
To a player it matters what happens in the actual fight & the fight clearly shows this interaction as "power drain"
Now irrespective of what happens in the code it needs to be considered as power drain by the player & not some random sorry excuse of power removal or power loss

Malreck04

It has to be bug, I don't care if the code of the node bypasses Venom, it literally says Power Drain and not some pathetic excuse.
What bug are you seeing? Venom isn't immune to "Power Removal" so he can still be affected by the node. The fact that the word is wrong doesn't mean that it's a bug.
Should kabam correct this (and a lot more) text error? Absolutely. But to use a text error as a pretext to call "bugged" an interaction that you don't like and want to have changed is what I would call "a pathetic excuse", to use your words. ^_^
As long as it says "Power Drain", it's a bug.

If Kabam were to change the wording, it would be a petty move but it wouldn't be a bug.
The node says "The attacker loses an equal amount of power", not drain. Just because it says power drain on the screen doesn't make the actual functionality a power drain unfortunately. If this is changed, the word would simply change to reflect Kabam's intention of the node which is what should happen.

Similar to how Psylocke's power lock says enervate on the pause screen, when it isn't actually an enervate. Or how Brute force says degenerating on the screen when it starts to damage you, but it's actually direct damage (which means spider ham or mr negative can't reduce the potency).

The point of Power struggle is to remove the power, not to drain you. It's not supposed to be bypasses by abilities. And if you want the word on the screen to be changed, sure that's a reasonable, though perhaps fairly inconsequential change, but it's not likely to be changed so that venom isn't affected by it.

Yeah I know, there’s been situations in the past where kabam have fixed/changed wording and that’s not the issue, I only want confirmation from Kabam on how the interaction is meant to be. But naming something a power drain that isn’t intrinsically one leads to confusion.

AMS94

It has to be bug, I don't care if the code of the node bypasses Venom, it literally says Power Drain and not some pathetic excuse.
What bug are you seeing? Venom isn't immune to "Power Removal" so he can still be affected by the node. The fact that the word is wrong doesn't mean that it's a bug.
Should kabam correct this (and a lot more) text error? Absolutely. But to use a text error as a pretext to call "bugged" an interaction that you don't like and want to have changed is what I would call "a pathetic excuse", to use your words. ^_^
As long as it says "Power Drain", it's a bug.

If Kabam were to change the wording, it would be a petty move but it wouldn't be a bug.
The node says "The attacker loses an equal amount of power", not drain. Just because it says power drain on the screen doesn't make the actual functionality a power drain unfortunately. If this is changed, the word would simply change to reflect Kabam's intention of the node which is what should happen.

Similar to how Psylocke's power lock says enervate on the pause screen, when it isn't actually an enervate. Or how Brute force says degenerating on the screen when it starts to damage you, but it's actually direct damage (which means spider ham or mr negative can't reduce the potency).

The point of Power struggle is to remove the power, not to drain you. It's not supposed to be bypasses by abilities. And if you want the word on the screen to be changed, sure that's a reasonable, though perhaps fairly inconsequential change, but it's not likely to be changed so that venom isn't affected by it.

Venom works fr other nodes that say "the attacker LOSES power"
One such node is Burden of Might

Bendy

It has to be bug, I don't care if the code of the node bypasses Venom, it literally says Power Drain and not some pathetic excuse.
What bug are you seeing? Venom isn't immune to "Power Removal" so he can still be affected by the node. The fact that the word is wrong doesn't mean that it's a bug.
Should kabam correct this (and a lot more) text error? Absolutely. But to use a text error as a pretext to call "bugged" an interaction that you don't like and want to have changed is what I would call "a pathetic excuse", to use your words. ^_^
As long as it says "Power Drain", it's a bug.

If Kabam were to change the wording, it would be a petty move but it wouldn't be a bug.
The node says "The attacker loses an equal amount of power", not drain. Just because it says power drain on the screen doesn't make the actual functionality a power drain unfortunately. If this is changed, the word would simply change to reflect Kabam's intention of the node which is what should happen.

Similar to how Psylocke's power lock says enervate on the pause screen, when it isn't actually an enervate. Or how Brute force says degenerating on the screen when it starts to damage you, but it's actually direct damage (which means spider ham or mr negative can't reduce the potency).

The point of Power struggle is to remove the power, not to drain you. It's not supposed to be bypasses by abilities. And if you want the word on the screen to be changed, sure that's a reasonable, though perhaps fairly inconsequential change, but it's not likely to be changed so that venom isn't affected by it.
Venom works fr other nodes that say "the attacker LOSES power"
One such node is Burden of Might

Thats because burden of might is trying to drain but power struggle in description says removed power if opponent uses a special since ur power goes by theres so its not trying to drain 2 different interactions

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AMS94

It has to be bug, I don't care if the code of the node bypasses Venom, it literally says Power Drain and not some pathetic excuse.
What bug are you seeing? Venom isn't immune to "Power Removal" so he can still be affected by the node. The fact that the word is wrong doesn't mean that it's a bug.
Should kabam correct this (and a lot more) text error? Absolutely. But to use a text error as a pretext to call "bugged" an interaction that you don't like and want to have changed is what I would call "a pathetic excuse", to use your words. ^_^
As long as it says "Power Drain", it's a bug.

If Kabam were to change the wording, it would be a petty move but it wouldn't be a bug.
The node says "The attacker loses an equal amount of power", not drain. Just because it says power drain on the screen doesn't make the actual functionality a power drain unfortunately. If this is changed, the word would simply change to reflect Kabam's intention of the node which is what should happen.

Similar to how Psylocke's power lock says enervate on the pause screen, when it isn't actually an enervate. Or how Brute force says degenerating on the screen when it starts to damage you, but it's actually direct damage (which means spider ham or mr negative can't reduce the potency).

The point of Power struggle is to remove the power, not to drain you. It's not supposed to be bypasses by abilities. And if you want the word on the screen to be changed, sure that's a reasonable, though perhaps fairly inconsequential change, but it's not likely to be changed so that venom isn't affected by it.
Venom works fr other nodes that say "the attacker LOSES power"
One such node is Burden of Might
Thats because burden of might is trying to drain but power struggle in description says removed power if opponent uses a special since ur power goes by theres so its not trying to drain 2 different interactions

Both nodes literally used the word "loses power"
There's no mention of the word "removal"

Bendy

It has to be bug, I don't care if the code of the node bypasses Venom, it literally says Power Drain and not some pathetic excuse.
What bug are you seeing? Venom isn't immune to "Power Removal" so he can still be affected by the node. The fact that the word is wrong doesn't mean that it's a bug.
Should kabam correct this (and a lot more) text error? Absolutely. But to use a text error as a pretext to call "bugged" an interaction that you don't like and want to have changed is what I would call "a pathetic excuse", to use your words. ^_^
As long as it says "Power Drain", it's a bug.

If Kabam were to change the wording, it would be a petty move but it wouldn't be a bug.
The node says "The attacker loses an equal amount of power", not drain. Just because it says power drain on the screen doesn't make the actual functionality a power drain unfortunately. If this is changed, the word would simply change to reflect Kabam's intention of the node which is what should happen.

Similar to how Psylocke's power lock says enervate on the pause screen, when it isn't actually an enervate. Or how Brute force says degenerating on the screen when it starts to damage you, but it's actually direct damage (which means spider ham or mr negative can't reduce the potency).

The point of Power struggle is to remove the power, not to drain you. It's not supposed to be bypasses by abilities. And if you want the word on the screen to be changed, sure that's a reasonable, though perhaps fairly inconsequential change, but it's not likely to be changed so that venom isn't affected by it.
Venom works fr other nodes that say "the attacker LOSES power"
One such node is Burden of Might
Thats because burden of might is trying to drain but power struggle in description says removed power if opponent uses a special since ur power goes by theres so its not trying to drain 2 different interactions
Both nodes literally used the word "loses power"
There's no mention of the word "removal"

Power struggle says attack loses equal to amount of power of what the opponent uses which doesnt say drain but interacts as a removal

Burden of might lose power of x% which is what all power drain effects naturally do so again 2 different interactions that are not the same losing power since power drains go by a certain % of loss power, but a removal is what power struggle does and doesnt state loss of power but urs goes by theirs which would be equal to a power removal which isnt listed in venom immunity

Chikel

You're gonna have to explain the situation, or the question better. How it seems is: "why does he get power drained on this node that drains his power?"

Also, a picture of the node combination would help. Alternatively, you may just not be aware of several of Peni Parker's abilities (which is fair because she's super new), and maybe they are triggering this. Here are descriptions of several of her power burn effects:

Venom is Immune to Power Manipulation vs Tech In any Circumstances
Power burn and power drain immunity =/= complete power manipulation immunity.

No it's not. Wither can affect the GM but he's immune to power manipulation

Squirrelguy

You're gonna have to explain the situation, or the question better. How it seems is: "why does he get power drained on this node that drains his power?"

Also, a picture of the node combination would help. Alternatively, you may just not be aware of several of Peni Parker's abilities (which is fair because she's super new), and maybe they are triggering this. Here are descriptions of several of her power burn effects:

Venom is completely immune to power drain & burn against tech champions
This is a reason he's one of the best counters to Peni Parker
This includes power drain/burn from anything, be it the champion's own abilities or interaction with a node
This is the first time I've seen him getting power drained against a tech champ since his buff & hence an explanation regarding this interaction will be appreciable
I assumed everyone in the community (who's not a newbie) is aware of this that's why I framed the question like this fr it to be as short as possible
I didn't remember the name of the node that's why explained what the node does

Is it possible that you didn’t have the Klyntar Mutation buff up at the exact time that you were power drained? Exact wording and not generalizing is important when trying to accurately diagnose an issue like this, that’s why I just asked if you could provide more information.

For example, you say “Venom is completely immune to power drain & burn against tech champions”, when in fact, he’s not. He is conditionally immune to those things because of his Klyntar mutation buff, which isn’t always active.

Also, I’ve been in the community since February 2015. People (even who aren’t “newbies”) forget things, and people also mis-remember things. It’s all good.

AMS94

It has to be bug, I don't care if the code of the node bypasses Venom, it literally says Power Drain and not some pathetic excuse.
What bug are you seeing? Venom isn't immune to "Power Removal" so he can still be affected by the node. The fact that the word is wrong doesn't mean that it's a bug.
Should kabam correct this (and a lot more) text error? Absolutely. But to use a text error as a pretext to call "bugged" an interaction that you don't like and want to have changed is what I would call "a pathetic excuse", to use your words. ^_^
As long as it says "Power Drain", it's a bug.

If Kabam were to change the wording, it would be a petty move but it wouldn't be a bug.
The node says "The attacker loses an equal amount of power", not drain. Just because it says power drain on the screen doesn't make the actual functionality a power drain unfortunately. If this is changed, the word would simply change to reflect Kabam's intention of the node which is what should happen.

Similar to how Psylocke's power lock says enervate on the pause screen, when it isn't actually an enervate. Or how Brute force says degenerating on the screen when it starts to damage you, but it's actually direct damage (which means spider ham or mr negative can't reduce the potency).

The point of Power struggle is to remove the power, not to drain you. It's not supposed to be bypasses by abilities. And if you want the word on the screen to be changed, sure that's a reasonable, though perhaps fairly inconsequential change, but it's not likely to be changed so that venom isn't affected by it.
Venom works fr other nodes that say "the attacker LOSES power"
One such node is Burden of Might
Thats because burden of might is trying to drain but power struggle in description says removed power if opponent uses a special since ur power goes by theres so its not trying to drain 2 different interactions
Both nodes literally used the word "loses power"
There's no mention of the word "removal"
Power struggle says attack loses equal to amount of power of what the opponent uses which doesnt say drain but interacts as a removal

Burden of might lose power of x% which is what all power drain effects naturally do so again 2 different interactions that are not the same losing power since power drains go by a certain % of loss power, but a removal is what power struggle does and doesnt state loss of power but urs goes by theirs which would be equal to a power removal which isnt listed in venom immunity

A source fr all this information other than "just trust me bro" would be helpful & appreciated
Don't try to explain technical things just based on ur understanding of those technicalities
Ur explanation is no better than my criticism of this situation since it's only the devs at Kabam who know what's going on here (hopefully)
At this point u're just making assumptions based on things u've experienced whereas the situation calls for factual answers, not assumptions
The question is about consistency of interactions where the node descriptions are same
If we go on to make assumptions fr different interactions in game then we cn justify every single move made by Kabam whether it should be justified or not