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Is there a bug where KG's Fury/Regen cycle just breaks and stops working?

hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Posts: 2,118 ★★★★★
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7.3.1 Pumping Iron lane. He had Odin's buffs, started this fight with 4 Paradox... And his Fury/Regen Cycle is just broken? And Odin's buffs are gone. This goes on for about a minute before I quit the fight. I tested his sp1 and it applied permanent Armor Break. So, this indicates the game is treating him as in Malice state, but there's no Furies, no timer, Odin's buffs are gone and he doesn't switch into Regen stance. Anyone know why?
https://youtu.be/54mxKSITpCE

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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Aar from paradoxes maybe. Sometimes it causes the cycle to break and never come back
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    hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Posts: 2,118 ★★★★★
    AverageDesi said:

    Aar from paradoxes maybe. Sometimes it causes the cycle to break and never come back

    Hmm, lemme read the Paradox again.
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    hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Posts: 2,118 ★★★★★
    I don't see anything in the description of this Paradox that mentions any AAR or debuffs which cause it.
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    Neev_4321Neev_4321 Posts: 133 ★
    Pretty obvious it is aar. If any cycle is prevented once by aar it never comes back for whole fight, ex prevent dragon man power gain buff from triggering once with aar and it never comes back again.
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    hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Posts: 2,118 ★★★★★
    Neev_4321 said:

    Pretty obvious it is aar. If any cycle is prevented once by aar it never comes back for whole fight, ex prevent dragon man power gain buff from triggering once with aar and it never comes back again.

    Cool, do you know where the AAR came from and also why Odin's buffs are gone?
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    Neev_4321Neev_4321 Posts: 133 ★
    hungryhungrybbq said:

    Neev_4321 said:

    Pretty obvious it is aar. If any cycle is prevented once by aar it never comes back for whole fight, ex prevent dragon man power gain buff from triggering once with aar and it never comes back again.

    Cool, do you know where the AAR came from and also why Odin's buffs are gone?
    I have not done 7.3 dont know about paradox charges, but pretty sure they remove buffs or something when exploded or something. To know it more I need to know what happened when the cycle stopped but you had started recording when it had already stopped. Let me read more about paradox charges and come back to you
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    hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Posts: 2,118 ★★★★★
    I've finished the lane, but went back to take shots of nodes.


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    Neev_4321Neev_4321 Posts: 133 ★
    Could you also send screenshot of the nodes so I know which paradoxes were on
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    Neev_4321Neev_4321 Posts: 133 ★
    hungryhungrybbq said:

    I've finished the lane, but went back to take shots of nodes.


    Ok, thx.
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    danielmathdanielmath Posts: 4,045 ★★★★★
    I ran into the same issue. It’s always super annoying using him in AQ where you have to use a specific special because and if you use the wrong one, all of his abilities shut off permanently. I’ve passed it along to CCP folks but no luck so far
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    hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Posts: 2,118 ★★★★★
    edited October 2021
    danielmath said:

    I ran into the same issue. It’s always super annoying using him in AQ where you have to use a specific special because and if you use the wrong one, all of his abilities shut off permanently. I’ve passed it along to CCP folks but no luck so far

    Ok, good to know at least. I have no idea what triggered it in this fight. Seems random. I actually feel like it's happened in the past, but just kind of did a "huh.. weird.. anyway.." but this time I went ahead and paused and started recording. Unfortunately, I have no footage of the very beginning of the fight because tbh, I didn't notice right away.

    Hope it gets looked into. Story mode and AQ = annoying, but AW could equal a lost war or something.
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    Neev_4321Neev_4321 Posts: 133 ★
    hungryhungrybbq said:

    danielmath said:

    I ran into the same issue. It’s always super annoying using him in AQ where you have to use a specific special because and if you use the wrong one, all of his abilities shut off permanently. I’ve passed it along to CCP folks but no luck so far

    Ok, good to know at least. I have no idea what triggered it in this fight. Seems random. I actually feel like it's happened in the past, but just kind of did a "huh.. weird.. anyway.." but this time I went ahead and paused and started recording. Unfortunately, I have no footage of the very beginning of the fight because tbh, I didn't notice right away.

    Hope it gets looked into. Story mode and AQ = annoying, but AW could equal a lost war or something.
    It's not a bug, it is a feature of game/aar so nothing should happen to it.
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    Neev_4321Neev_4321 Posts: 133 ★
    I got what happened to you due to quantam control node your buffs got nullified as you did special attack with less than 3 paradox charges. As your fury got nullified your cycle halted as to go to another phase that is regen you have to have all the fury expire or removed by his abilities to purify debuffs.
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    hungryhungrybbq said:

    I don't see anything in the description of this Paradox that mentions any AAR or debuffs which cause it.

    My bad. I assumed it was a different paradox
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    Will3808Will3808 Posts: 3,536 ★★★★★
    hungryhungrybbq said:

    I've finished the lane, but went back to take shots of nodes.


    The reason everything was removed was because of the quantum control node. You must have been below 3 paradox at some point and all of your buffs including the Odin ones got nullified. Now, I’m not sure why they didn’t come back because there’s no aar on this path.
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    BuckyBruhBuckyBruh Posts: 453 ★★★
    Same happened to me in 7.3.5. Cosmic avalanche path. Fate seal removed KG's furies but i kept applying permanent armor breaks and also never went into cooldown.
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    WorknprogressWorknprogress Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    Neev_4321 said:

    hungryhungrybbq said:

    danielmath said:

    I ran into the same issue. It’s always super annoying using him in AQ where you have to use a specific special because and if you use the wrong one, all of his abilities shut off permanently. I’ve passed it along to CCP folks but no luck so far

    Ok, good to know at least. I have no idea what triggered it in this fight. Seems random. I actually feel like it's happened in the past, but just kind of did a "huh.. weird.. anyway.." but this time I went ahead and paused and started recording. Unfortunately, I have no footage of the very beginning of the fight because tbh, I didn't notice right away.

    Hope it gets looked into. Story mode and AQ = annoying, but AW could equal a lost war or something.
    It's not a bug, it is a feature of game/aar so nothing should happen to it.
    Actually not really true. There's nothing stated about his malice cycle never coming back bc of AAR and it is being looked at to be fixed last I heard
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    ChikelChikel Posts: 2,059 ★★★★
    Neev_4321 said:

    Pretty obvious it is aar. If any cycle is prevented once by aar it never comes back for whole fight, ex prevent dragon man power gain buff from triggering once with aar and it never comes back again.

    Nope. They updated timers sometime ago to prevent that from happening. If you use Mags against DM, his power charge will still come back sometimes since it's 70% AAR. The same thing happens with AA on no retreat, bane or masochism, shut down the timer with neuros, if your neuros fall off, it comes back.
    The behavior you're talking about still works for nodes like arc overload, the kne that gives unstoppable when you're far from the opponent and the other that gives regen (I've forgotten their names but I've made a mistake of parrying just before the timer came on and the unstoppable/regen never came back)
    KG's behavior isn't AAR, it's just the preventing his abilities from triggering shuts it down. Applying BWCV'S buff immunity does the same thing. Also nodes like fisticuffs, fateseal nodes, etc In short, anything that prevents his buffs from triggering after malice cooldown
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    hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Posts: 2,118 ★★★★★
    edited October 2021
    Neev_4321 said:

    hungryhungrybbq said:

    danielmath said:

    I ran into the same issue. It’s always super annoying using him in AQ where you have to use a specific special because and if you use the wrong one, all of his abilities shut off permanently. I’ve passed it along to CCP folks but no luck so far

    Ok, good to know at least. I have no idea what triggered it in this fight. Seems random. I actually feel like it's happened in the past, but just kind of did a "huh.. weird.. anyway.." but this time I went ahead and paused and started recording. Unfortunately, I have no footage of the very beginning of the fight because tbh, I didn't notice right away.

    Hope it gets looked into. Story mode and AQ = annoying, but AW could equal a lost war or something.
    It's not a bug, it is a feature of game/aar so nothing should happen to it.
    You sound very confident for someone who just doesn't appear to be correct. No one has yet explained if there was AAR, what caused it? Including yourself. As for the Nullify, my post starts with: "Started fight with 4 Paradox..." As I knew this question would come up.
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    StevieManWonderStevieManWonder Posts: 5,017 ★★★★★
    Neev_4321 said:

    hungryhungrybbq said:

    danielmath said:

    I ran into the same issue. It’s always super annoying using him in AQ where you have to use a specific special because and if you use the wrong one, all of his abilities shut off permanently. I’ve passed it along to CCP folks but no luck so far

    Ok, good to know at least. I have no idea what triggered it in this fight. Seems random. I actually feel like it's happened in the past, but just kind of did a "huh.. weird.. anyway.." but this time I went ahead and paused and started recording. Unfortunately, I have no footage of the very beginning of the fight because tbh, I didn't notice right away.

    Hope it gets looked into. Story mode and AQ = annoying, but AW could equal a lost war or something.
    It's not a bug, it is a feature of game/aar so nothing should happen to it.
    No, it's a bug. It makes no in-game sense for AAR to stop Malice permanently.
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    StevieManWonder said:

    Neev_4321 said:

    hungryhungrybbq said:

    danielmath said:

    I ran into the same issue. It’s always super annoying using him in AQ where you have to use a specific special because and if you use the wrong one, all of his abilities shut off permanently. I’ve passed it along to CCP folks but no luck so far

    Ok, good to know at least. I have no idea what triggered it in this fight. Seems random. I actually feel like it's happened in the past, but just kind of did a "huh.. weird.. anyway.." but this time I went ahead and paused and started recording. Unfortunately, I have no footage of the very beginning of the fight because tbh, I didn't notice right away.

    Hope it gets looked into. Story mode and AQ = annoying, but AW could equal a lost war or something.
    It's not a bug, it is a feature of game/aar so nothing should happen to it.
    No, it's a bug. It makes no in-game sense for AAR to stop Malice permanently.
    Maybe not applicable to this situation but some nodes like Arc Overlad and Vigour completely stop (although Vigour retriggers at 25% intervals) if you stop it once using AAR.
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