Difference Ikaris bug makes

Lyricstarfish_49

Here is my ikaris stats at rank 4



First fight is against winter soldier, I used sp2 and heavy attacks to avoid the refresh bug, then built up to max incinerates and used sp3. After that I just repeated the process



Next is the captain marvel fight, where I built to max incinerates and spammed the special 1 refresh. Even accounting for about 30 seconds less fight time (shorter special attacks) the difference in damage output between fights is 10-20%.



Personally I would keep him the way he is, with the single refresh on sp1, from what I can tell, the numbers aren’t really broken.
A maxed out 5 star is about 3 times stronger than the Ikaris I used here, and therefore would have 1/3rd the fight time. That’s a 1 minute and 40 seconds, which is miles behind most DPS.
For reference, that’s about dragon man levels of damage against class neutrality and no buffs.

Lyricstarfish_49

Side note, while I 100% agree that not all champs are meant to be damage dealers, I would still say that Ikaris and his utility are not useful enough to justify low levels of damage.
- He has some incinerate and shock immunity, which while nice, isn't going to make him great for alliance war or alliance quest.
- He isn't very great with the suicide masteries, as recoil nukes his hp regardless of whether you use the bugged sp1 or not.
- He does synergise with despair, but no more that sunspot or any other moderate debuffer.
- A 30 second armour buff doesn't stop him from dying to havok on his way to the sp1 (his attacks are energy based)
- Hi protection doesn't work against sp3, and requires max energise stacks (Which would require a more defensive opponent or spamming light attacks, to keep from reaching sp2)
- Protection also doesn't restrict block damage, which I would say is a huge letdown
- I will admit that the sp2 unblockable ability is fun, but short and impractical for when unblockable attacks would be required
Personally, all of this adds up to an inferior havok with some sick animations.

Lyricstarfish_49

Final thing: His awakened ability can cause his damage to explode in fights with constant shock or incinerates, but I would still consider this to be pretty niche.
It would be a similar level of difference to silver surfer or sunspot for example.

SpideyFunko

the problem with it being on the last hit is you’re going to lose some incinerates this way. When it was on the first hit, even if your incinerates were two seconds from falling off you land the special 1 and instant refresh. Now, you’ve got to land it before those incinerates get too close to expiring. Passive ai? Tough luck now.

Malreck04

SpideyFunko said:

the problem with it being on the last hit is you’re going to lose some incinerates this way. When it was on the first hit, even if your incinerates were two seconds from falling off you land the special 1 and instant refresh. Now, you’ve got to land it before those incinerates get too close to expiring. Passive ai? Tough luck now.

I think that’s a temporary fix?

SpideyFunko

Malreck04 said:

SpideyFunko said:

the problem with it being on the last hit is you’re going to lose some incinerates this way. When it was on the first hit, even if your incinerates were two seconds from falling off you land the special 1 and instant refresh. Now, you’ve got to land it before those incinerates get too close to expiring. Passive ai? Tough luck now.

I think that’s a temporary fix?

but he’s saying to keep the single refresh, which I was arguing against.

Malreck04

SpideyFunko said:

Malreck04 said:

SpideyFunko said:

the problem with it being on the last hit is you’re going to lose some incinerates this way. When it was on the first hit, even if your incinerates were two seconds from falling off you land the special 1 and instant refresh. Now, you’ve got to land it before those incinerates get too close to expiring. Passive ai? Tough luck now.

I think that’s a temporary fix?

but he’s saying to keep the single refresh, which I was arguing against.

Oh yeah there should definitely be a refresh on the first hit at least

Lyricstarfish_49

SpideyFunko said:

the problem with it being on the last hit is you’re going to lose some incinerates this way. When it was on the first hit, even if your incinerates were two seconds from falling off you land the special 1 and instant refresh. Now, you’ve got to land it before those incinerates get too close to expiring. Passive ai? Tough luck now.

I agree. I think the best solution would be to have incinerates paused during special attacks. That way he gets maximum burst from his specials, without having to worry about timing the last hit of a special attack with the end of his incinerates.

AidenTheWise

So not to be that guy but will we get compensation crystals? 😏
I wouldn’t be expecting them but I’ll take free compensation any day.