Nimrod’s Bugged Sp2: For Better or Worse?

Wicket329

For those who are unaware (which I imagine is most, since Nimrod is still fairly new), Nimrod’s description states that the shocks he applies on his sp2 are meant to be passive. In reality, he is applying active shock debuffs.

My question to the community is this: Would Nimrod be better with the shocks as debuffs or passives? Below I will lay out what I perceive to be the pros and cons of each.

Benefits of Passive Shocks:
Bypass damage resistances on champions like Silver Surfer and Magneto
Bypass debuff immunity nodes
Cannot be shrugged off
Cooler looking icon on status bar

Benefits of Active Shock Debuffs:
Can be augmented by War Machine prefight ability
Can be augmented by Mr. Fantastic prefight ability.
Potentially useful for nodes like Diss Track.

I’d lay out the cons, but it’s basically just flip the two lists I just made and you’ve got them. So, what do y’all think? Is the ability to buff his already huge shock damage via prefights and other potential utility as a debuff better than the versatility of the passive? Or does that ability to bypass resistances, especially against magneto, and defeat debuff-shrugging champions outweigh the circumstantial damage boosts?

TheBair123

in my mind, it's 1000% better to have passives than debuffs. with all the nodes and abilities that make debuffs be shrugged off or expire quickly, passives are the way to go

KingInBlack

Passive by far. I was going to take my 5* Nimrod to r5 because I love the champ and he's a hard red mags counter despite being a metal robot, but with active shocks the damage is just too lacking to fill the role for me. Hopefully they'll quick fix him but these days I doubt it.

AverageDesi

The whole point of Nimrod is to counter mutants. And magneto is one. So passives are the intended version

Mobile_P0tat0

Passives also don't give your opponent willpower healing and he doesn't stack enough debuffs for despair to be useful

SpideyFunko

passives are far better

debuff immune? Doesn’t matter, they’re passive. Just overall work better than a debuff

LibertyPrimeV1

The Pros of Passives easily outweigh the Pros of Debuffs in this case, and the Cons of Debuffs are way more I majority of cases.

KingInBlack

If you ever use him against Mags this debate ends on the spot. Looking at my sp2 shocks ticking around 350 per tick vs the usual 2.5k+ against mutants (r4 5*) puts the debate to bed imo. Nimrod feels like torch lite vs mutants and I absolutely love it, the one thing hurting him right now is this bug stopping him from stomping out Mags.

Wicket329

Oh yeah, just to be clear I have a 6* r3 and likely soon to be my first r4 Nimrod. I love the champ. One of the reasons I typed out the post was just to see if I or anybody else could come up with other positives for the current situation besides “maybe make numbers bigger sometimes?” But it doesn’t seem like it.

Scarcity27

If you're using him, passive is better. If you're fighting him, active is better.

Chikel

Mag's and Surfer's resistances works for both passives and debuffs so Nimrod sucks against them regardless.
I really don't see the benefit of having his shocks as a debuff. In situations where you need debuffs, he's rarely a good option.

odishika123

Chikel said:

Mag's and Surfer's resistances works for both passives and debuffs so Nimrod sucks against them regardless.
I really don't see the benefit of having his shocks as a debuff. In situations where you need debuffs, he's rarely a good option.

Surfer takes damage from passives

CyborgNinja135

Chikel said:

Mag's and Surfer's resistances works for both passives and debuffs so Nimrod sucks against them regardless.
I really don't see the benefit of having his shocks as a debuff. In situations where you need debuffs, he's rarely a good option.

That's the thing. Magneto is bugged too since he's supposed to only be resistant to debuffs, but when I took him against the 6.1.2 Ultron boss, EMP mod was doing like 100 per tic instead of the usual 1000.

Chikel

CyborgNinja135 said:

Chikel said:

Mag's and Surfer's resistances works for both passives and debuffs so Nimrod sucks against them regardless.
I really don't see the benefit of having his shocks as a debuff. In situations where you need debuffs, he's rarely a good option.

That's the thing. Magneto is bugged too since he's supposed to only be resistant to debuffs, but when I took him against the 6.1.2 Ultron boss, EMP mod was doing like 100 per tic instead of the usual 1000.

I never actually noticed he's only resistant to debuffs. He's my no. 1 counter to Hulkbuster and Guardian on emp mod node in AW. I sure hope they don't fix it.

Magrailothos

It's a bug, and Nimrod should be inflicting passives. passives are better the majority of the time.

However when he gets fixed, if he's a champ you use a lot, then I think I ought to remind you that you forgot one big, , green, very angry drawback to inflicting passive shocks...