Shouldn't Magneto have an advantage against more champions?

Like Captain America has his METAL shield. Gambit has a METAL STAFF... so many champs have metal on them yet they don't get magnetized. Would make more sense if they were

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hungryhungrybbq

Until you fight him as a defender. The shield is vibranium. And ultimately, I believe they said the rule is that metal needs to be a part of their gear that's actually attached to them. But partially it's sometimes just a matter of balance.

Kerneas

72/214 champs are #Metal. He is super strong against 1/3 of the champs, what other champ has such a potent, direct counter to so many champs?

For Cap and Wolvie, Vibranium isn't magnetic, so Magneto can't control it.

For any other champ, it is irrelevant. White Mags is bleed immune bcs he can reverse his bleeding via controlling the metal in it (read his spotlight). That's mean Magneto should magnetise each champ with some sort of blood. Only ones without blood are robots, who are in turn all metallic.

Rookiie

If you looked for every piece of metal in the game, then you would find it in almost every champion:
Angela’s headgear, Hercules’ mace, Drax’s knives, even Chavez’s earrings.
Do you want Magneto to counter the whole game? Or would you rather have something that is not only balanced but also makes sense?

Excelsior1316

72/214 champs are #Metal. He is super strong against 1/3 of the champs, what other champ has such a potent, direct counter to so many champs?

For Cap and Wolvie, Vibranium isn't magnetic, so Magneto can't control it.

For any other champ, it is irrelevant. White Mags is bleed immune bcs he can reverse his bleeding via controlling the metal in it (read his spotlight). That's mean Magneto should magnetise each champ with some sort of blood. Only ones without blood are robots, who are in turn all metallic.

Vibranium is non ferrus in the comics so he can't control it, you're correct there. As far as Wolverine goes, he once pulled the Adamantium out of his body, so he can control it.

Kerneas

72/214 champs are #Metal. He is super strong against 1/3 of the champs, what other champ has such a potent, direct counter to so many champs?

For Cap and Wolvie, Vibranium isn't magnetic, so Magneto can't control it.

For any other champ, it is irrelevant. White Mags is bleed immune bcs he can reverse his bleeding via controlling the metal in it (read his spotlight). That's mean Magneto should magnetise each champ with some sort of blood. Only ones without blood are robots, who are in turn all metallic.
Vibranium is non ferrus in the comics so he can't control it, you're correct there. As far as Wolverine goes, he once pulled the Adamantium out of his body, so he can control it.

Thank you, I tend to forget they are different materials.

Malreck04

Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.

AverageDesi

If you looked for every piece of metal in the game, then you would find it in almost every champion:
Angela’s headgear, Hercules’ mace, Drax’s knives, even Chavez’s earrings.
Do you want Magneto to counter the whole game? Or would you rather have something that is not only balanced but also makes sense?

Angela is metal

SHIELD4AGENT

Like Captain America has his METAL shield. Gambit has a METAL STAFF... so many champs have metal on them yet they don't get magnetized. Would make more sense if they were

Kingpin got metal teeth and ring.

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Jh_Dez

Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.

Ghost doesn’t go invisible. She phases

Side note magneto has controlled caps shield in comics

He isn’t tagged metal for balancing I suppose but to say magneto can’t control the shield is incorrect apparently

BitterSteel

Yeah we need one of the most OP champs in the game, who is only made balanced by the fact he isn’t OP for 2/3rds of the champions, to counter more champions. That seems logical.

Jh_Dez

Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Ghost doesn’t go invisible. She phases

Side note magneto has controlled caps shield in comics

He isn’t tagged metal for balancing I suppose but to say magneto can’t control the shield is incorrect apparently

Whoever disagreed ain’t serious lol you have it as fact in the comic scan

Sidghh

Honestly tho the mans broken enough

LibertyPrimeV1

Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Ghost doesn’t go invisible. She phases

Side note magneto has controlled caps shield in comics

He isn’t tagged metal for balancing I suppose but to say magneto can’t control the shield is incorrect apparently

Cap's Shield (in the comics) has Adamantium in it as well, also for his Shield and Magneto specifically that's Very Complicated as it depends on the Writer.
There are Multiple times across the many many years of comics where Magneto himself has said that he can control Cap's Shield in one comic yet in another says that he can't.

LibertyPrimeV1

Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.

Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.

Demonzfyre

I'm ready for RDT threads to come back. #metal threads are getting old.

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LibertyPrimeV1

Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil

That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it)
Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect.
That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!

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LibertyPrimeV1

Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it)
Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect.
That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it

And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao

Yes because I was unaware they made that change, I thought people were arguing for it to be added not for it to stay.
Either way he should not be able to counter Ghost's Miss because it's not like the others' that is specifically Invisibility...

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LibertyPrimeV1

Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it)
Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect.
That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it

And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao

It's different from other counters cause they're implied to be feasible counters (for the examples given: Nick Fury is gaining Intel through Tactical Charges to learn of a way to counter the Ability, most likely using some form of Tech, for Human Torch his Heat is the thing affecting his Opponent) Daredevil has No Way of punching someone an another Dimension with just his Extra Sensory Abilities...

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BitterSteel

Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it)
Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect.
That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it

And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao
Yes because I was unaware they made that change, I thought people were arguing for it to be added not for it to stay.
Either way he should not be able to counter Ghost's Miss because it's not like the others' that is specifically Invisibility...

You’re conflating two different scenarios.

Originally there was an Easter egg that Daredevil could bypass invisibility, like Hood and IW. But the devs decided both Daredevils could use a little buff with that in mind, so they were updated to have a game mechanic where they bypassed all miss.

Right now, you’re arguing that torch should bypass miss because he gets really hot, but it’s a step too far for daredevil to bypass miss because he’s blind.

CGR makes sense to bypass miss because he shoots his guns and hits his opponent in a very specific order, but it’s a step too far for daredevil to bypass miss because he’s blind.

Kraven can’t usually bypass miss, but if he’s stood with Venompool or Agent venom then it absolutely makes sense for him to hit ghost while she’s phasing just because one of those guys tagged along, but, it’s absolutely too far to let daredevil bypass miss because he’s blind.

It’s a game ability my guy, you’re applying logic to a game that fundamentally doesn’t work on logic. How can daredevil punch the hulk and survive getting punched back? You can’t pick and choose where you apply your logic.

If you want an explanation, all the champions have been fed ISO, which is a real canon explanation for why real universe logic doesn’t work in a game where you can use a duck to beat up a duck mixed with a symbiote

LibertyPrimeV1

Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it)
Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect.
That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it

And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao
It's different from other counters cause they're implied to be feasible counters (for the examples given: Nick Fury is gaining Intel through Tactical Charges to learn of a way to counter the Ability, most likely using some form of Tech, for Human Torch his Heat is the thing affecting his Opponent) Daredevil has No Way of punching someone an another Dimension with just his Extra Sensory Abilities...
Why can Hercules punch her?

The Juggernaut and Hulk can Shatter Dimensions with their Punches, Hercules fluctuates to sometimes be stronger than them.

LibertyPrimeV1

Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it)
Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect.
That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it

And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao
Yes because I was unaware they made that change, I thought people were arguing for it to be added not for it to stay.
Either way he should not be able to counter Ghost's Miss because it's not like the others' that is specifically Invisibility...
You’re conflating two different scenarios.

Originally there was an Easter egg that Daredevil could bypass invisibility, like Hood and IW. But the devs decided both Daredevils could use a little buff with that in mind, so they were updated to have a game mechanic where they bypassed all miss.

Right now, you’re arguing that torch should bypass miss because he gets really hot, but it’s a step too far for daredevil to bypass miss because he’s blind.

CGR makes sense to bypass miss because he shoots his guns and hits his opponent in a very specific order, but it’s a step too far for daredevil to bypass miss because he’s blind.

Kraven can’t usually bypass miss, but if he’s stood with Venompool or Agent venom then it absolutely makes sense for him to hit ghost while she’s phasing just because one of those guys tagged along, but, it’s absolutely too far to let daredevil bypass miss because he’s blind.

It’s a game ability my guy, you’re applying logic to a game that fundamentally doesn’t work on logic. How can daredevil punch the hulk and survive getting punched back? You can’t pick and choose where you apply your logic.

If you want an explanation, all the champions have been fed ISO, which is a real canon explanation for why real universe logic doesn’t work in a game where you can use a duck to beat up a duck mixed with a symbiote

I never said Daredevil shouldn't be able to Bypass Miss in general, don't know where you got that from, I'm saying it's too far for him to be able to hit Specifically Ghost (and Kitty Pride for that matter)'s Miss which is Phasing Through The Punches. Meanwhile the likes Invisible Woman and Hood are still present there but just Invisible to the naked eye which Daredevil of course ignores because he is Blind as well has the Extra Sensory Abilities to detect them without sight.

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LibertyPrimeV1

Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it)
Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect.
That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it

And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao
Yes because I was unaware they made that change, I thought people were arguing for it to be added not for it to stay.
Either way he should not be able to counter Ghost's Miss because it's not like the others' that is specifically Invisibility...
Nick fury’s description: can not be missed
Daredevils description: can not be missed

He should be able to counter ghost if most of the other champs that have miss countering should be able to. You can’t say one is correct and the other isn’t

Because Daredevil is reasonably way behind the Technological Help Nick Fury could get from being the Head of s.h.i.e.l.d.

BitterSteel

Not even considering what comics say(old debate of whether ghost should be countered by daredevil), he really, REALLY doesn't need it.
Why would Daredevil be able to counter Ghost? Daredevil can counter Hood and Invisible Woman because they're going Invisible to make the opponent Miss which doesn't matter to Daredevil because that only affects sight, Ghost is Phasing between Dimensions to make her opponents Miss so Daredevil's Punched would go through her like any other Champion.
Why can human torch or nick fury punch ghost? It’s in their abilities just like daredevil
That's different, it's a Game Mechanic. (Although that too can have Some Reasoning made if you think about it)
Daredevil can hit *Invisible People* because he's Blind and has Extra Sensory Abilities that allow him to "Sense" people's Location through their Breathe, Heartbeat, Movement, ect.
That doesn't mean he can punch people that are Phased Out Of His Dimension!
And daredevil got buffed so now he counters miss? I don’t see how that’s different to any other champ that counters it

And did you just say that daredevil hitting ghost wasn’t a game mechanic lmao
Yes because I was unaware they made that change, I thought people were arguing for it to be added not for it to stay.
Either way he should not be able to counter Ghost's Miss because it's not like the others' that is specifically Invisibility...
You’re conflating two different scenarios.

Originally there was an Easter egg that Daredevil could bypass invisibility, like Hood and IW. But the devs decided both Daredevils could use a little buff with that in mind, so they were updated to have a game mechanic where they bypassed all miss.

Right now, you’re arguing that torch should bypass miss because he gets really hot, but it’s a step too far for daredevil to bypass miss because he’s blind.

CGR makes sense to bypass miss because he shoots his guns and hits his opponent in a very specific order, but it’s a step too far for daredevil to bypass miss because he’s blind.

Kraven can’t usually bypass miss, but if he’s stood with Venompool or Agent venom then it absolutely makes sense for him to hit ghost while she’s phasing just because one of those guys tagged along, but, it’s absolutely too far to let daredevil bypass miss because he’s blind.

It’s a game ability my guy, you’re applying logic to a game that fundamentally doesn’t work on logic. How can daredevil punch the hulk and survive getting punched back? You can’t pick and choose where you apply your logic.

If you want an explanation, all the champions have been fed ISO, which is a real canon explanation for why real universe logic doesn’t work in a game where you can use a duck to beat up a duck mixed with a symbiote
I never said Daredevil shouldn't be able to Bypass Miss in general, don't know where you got that from, I'm saying it's too far for him to be able to hit Specifically Ghost (and Kitty Pride for that matter)'s Miss which is Phasing Through The Punches. Meanwhile the likes Invisible Woman and Hood are still present there but just Invisible to the naked eye which Daredevil of course ignores because he is Blind as well has the Extra Sensory Abilities to detect them without sight.

Again, you’re applying logic to a game that cannot have logic applied to it all the time. This is one of those times where you suspend your disbelief.

And I mean, I’m saying it’s fine for daredevil to bypass all miss, and you’re saying he shouldn’t bypass it all, so that’s what I mean by miss in general. I mean the ability of missing. Daredevil bypasses it, and you’re saying he should only bypass some.

It’s an ability that daredevil bypasses, at this point you just kinda have to accept that it’s no deeper than that. If Kabam want to make an ability that defies logic a little, that’s absolutely fine. If they want to make it logical, that’s fine too. It’s a game, there are abilities, why does it need to follow real life logic to the letter? Does it impact on your enjoyment?