Disorient debuffs: How useful are they?

Hey everyone,

Could someone explain what the disorient debuff affects? According to the description, it reduces defensive ability accuracy and block proficiency but whenever I apply Massacre's SP1, I always feel that they don't stop defensive A.A. like regen or armor ups ect.

I'm aware that there are varying reduction percentages but half the time, it feels like it doesn't do anything. Could someone explain? Does it only affect the ability to shrug off debuffs?

Comments

pseudosane

It is a debuff that is fairly useless when you use it, but very potent when used against you.

SpideyFunko

the only disorient I’ve used actively is Night Thrasher’s, and it’s shut quite a few different nodes (including Thing and his rock stacks)

TimeGenesis

First you need to understand what is d.a.a.

Offensive Abilities occur while attacking the opponent, Defensive abilities occur when being attacked by the opponent. If an ability activates outside of those two spaces, then it is neither, such as Juggernaut's Unstoppable that triggers whenever you activate a special attack.

OR, it can be either, like Magik's Limbo from her Signature ability. If you cross the threshold of a bar of Power while you're attacking the opponent, it can activate as an offensive ability, but if you cross the threshold of a bar of Power while being attacked, it can activate as a defensive ability.

Now into Massacre's SP1

Hope this helps make it clearer for you.

te_dua_shum

It affects any ability that would happen when you hit the opponent, and it can be really useful for example to prevent the Thing from doing Thing's things or Nick Fury from gaining tactical charges, it's one of the really few mechanics that can prevent glancing (but I still prefer Blade if the opponent can bleed), and it can be used to counter Mr. Negative ^_^

SirGamesBond

With masacre you'll get -100% AAR only when you are hitting into block with 1 disorient debuff active

Magrailothos

...half the time, it feels like it doesn't do anything...

50% IS half the time.

As mentioned, for Masacre it becomes 100% of the time when the opponent is blocking.

Don't forget the reduction in block proficiency; which is also extra-useful for Masacre, whose build revolves around hitting into the opponent's block.

GrassKnuckles

Anti Venom loves them and that's good enough for me

FluffyPigMonster

This is such a good thread. Very informative

Darkraw346

First you need to understand what is d.a.a.

Offensive Abilities occur while attacking the opponent, Defensive abilities occur when being attacked by the opponent. If an ability activates outside of those two spaces, then it is neither, such as Juggernaut's Unstoppable that triggers whenever you activate a special attack.

OR, it can be either, like Magik's Limbo from her Signature ability. If you cross the threshold of a bar of Power while you're attacking the opponent, it can activate as an offensive ability, but if you cross the threshold of a bar of Power while being attacked, it can activate as a defensive ability.
Now into Massacre's SP1

Hope this helps make it clearer for you.

And Ability accuracy is these 2 and everything else right?

phillgreen

Disorient is great for the node where you need it, otherwise useless.

Mr.0-8-4

Thanks for the responses everyone. It's been very informative.

Mr.0-8-4

...half the time, it feels like it doesn't do anything...

50% IS half the time.

As mentioned, for Masacre it becomes 100% of the time when the opponent is blocking.

Don't forget the reduction in block proficiency; which is also extra-useful for Masacre, whose build revolves around hitting into the opponent's block.

I'm aware 50% is half the time. When I said "half the time, it feels like it doesn't do anything" I was referring to disorient debuffs in general. Nick Fury has a disorient debuff with a higher potency but his disorient also feels lacking.